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2008 Defensive Scheme


We have all been wondering about the defensive scheme that was run last year.  I am trying to find video of MSU last year to verify what the defense was doing.  So far, I have one of the Michigan game and the few plays that are shown indicate the defense is the same as last year.  I will link the videos and post more if/when I find them. 

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 First video is of the 2008 game at Michigan.  There are only a few plays shown, but they show the 3 man line and looks like there are always 3 LBs on the field.

Notre Dame game.  3:41 is the start of the relevant plays.  MSU has 3 LBs on the field.  The end of the game, ND is in a shotgun set with 4WRs and MSU has 3 LBs on the field.

2007 Notre Dame.  They don't show the ND TDs, but there is a play at the 6 minute mark where ND is three wide and MSU has 3 LBs on the field.

And this is all I need to know.  Michigan 2007.  About halfway through it skips to the 4th quarter and Michigan's big comeback.  You'll see MSU have the base defense in against Michigan as they go to 3WR sets and passing the ball.  Watch the last Michigan TD and carefully note the 3 man rush.  Yup, this is what Pat's defense is, was and appears to be for all the future.

Now can we openly start calling for him to be fired?

Edit: I was thinking about this and I became even more upset.  Imagine MSU is playing a great game, they have an awesome first half and go into the locker room up 24-3.  What do you think the other team is going to do in the second half?   They will abandon the run and throw the ball.  By virtue of MSU building up a lead they force an opponent to throw the ball, thereby attacking the weakness in this defensive scheme.  This defensive scheme is designed for MSU to blow leads.  It is designed to allow opponents to run two minute drills.  It is built to fail. 

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Wow

I have a hard time believing that Dantonio would keep around a def. coordinator that would make basic mistakes in play-calling like that, but I guess if it is there on the tapes, I have to believe it.

I have a feeling that this is going to turn into what is happening at OSU, with their off. coordinator, who they have been calling for his head for several years. Dantonio won a national title as a defensive coordinator, why can’t he see the basic weaknesses of these schemes?

by MSUBeefman1 on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Dogged, boneheadedness of the "base defense or bust" mentality ...

may have gone unnoticed in the first 2 seasons because, hey, we were winning, and it looked like we were getting better. And the trajectory of that seeming improvement had us all high on pie in the sky. But now, in year 3, it seems like opposing OCs have finally figured it out and it’s been exposed as a severe liability.

I’m all for coaching continuity and the benefits of that on team development and recruiting. But if MSU significantly digresses this year and ends up with a sub-0.500 record – which you could argue may negatively impact recruiting and team development – and the defensive scheme/playcalling is the main cuprit, I think Dantonio will have to take a long look at parting ways with Narduzzi.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Oct 9, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Also Remember

That now in the Big Ten, everyone has seen MSU run this defense for two years. So no one is going to be “surprised” by it anymore. They all have the game film of MSU running its base defense and most teams have experience against it.

I honestly think the defense will be a liability from now on for MSU. It will never be a strength without a change of defensive coordinator.

by DrDetroit on Oct 9, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Hopefully Dantonio’s loyalty isn’t completely blind and he’s able to objectively evaluate the DC position at some point. And hopefully that point will come before this program sinks back into a John L-type futility.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Oct 9, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Playing the Devil's advocate

Are there advantages to keeping 3 LBs on the field at all time that we’re overlooking?

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Oct 9, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

It sets up a great run defense against spread teams.

If you think of it as only a “base” defense, then the players do not have to learn a lot and can focus heavily on fundamentals and working together.

Those are two I can think of off hand. I do not believe they offset the pass defense weakness though.

by DrDetroit on Oct 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It probably works well as a true “base” defense, but that would imply that you would then make “adjustments” to the formation to account for what the other team is doing on the field.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Oct 9, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rexrode article

Reportedly, the defensive coverage schemes are getting even simpler. Apparently, the get-really-good-at-what-you-do-regardless-of-the-opponent thing is definitely the plan.

MSU’s primary coverage scheme is called “cover four,” or “quarters.” It’s a zone coverage with each of the four defensive backs responsible for one-fourth of the deep part of the field.

The other primary coverage styles are man-to-man, “cover two” (safeties split the deep part of the field, corners play more shallow), “cover three” (three defensive backs split the deep part of the field, with one closer to the line) and “man free,” which involves man-to-man coverage with one safety playing center field.

Defenses also mix coverages, with some players in a zone and some man-to-man, to try to confuse offenses. Barnett said MSU’s secondary was struggling to communicate and react well within certain combinations.

“We scrapped a couple coverages. We’re not gonna do those again,” Barnett said. “We simplified things, and I can see it really helping out our guys, too. We’ve got guys playing fast now and playing with confidence.”

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Oct 10, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

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