MSU-Purdue Afterglow Thread
by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 14, 2009 2:36 PM CST
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We're going bowling, in large part due to these two brilliant individual performances:
- 236 all-purpose yards covered by Mr. Keshawn Martin.
- 4 field goals knocked through the uprights, 2 of them from 52 yards out, by Mr. Brett Swenson.
Beyond those two things, I'm looking forward to having Pete explain exactly how we won this game tomorrow.
Until then, party like it's 2007, my friends. The season has been salvaged.
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Bowl-eligible!
Now lets make sure it’s not the Pizza! Pizza! Bowl by beating JoePa State.
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Unbelievable Win!
Felt like a 2007 game. We were outplayed for much of the game but made some big plays at the end to pull out a victory.
Good win...
I had a feeling they were due after all the close losses, recent and otherwise. That was a great game, and thank you Mr. Keyshawn Martin. Swenson may have put up a lot of points on the board today, but you were our secret weapon, changing field position and posing a question that Purdue couldn’t answer. Great game all around, and thank God the coaches in their wisdom kept Keith Nichol on the sideline.
Is there a better receiver in the country...
than Keyshawn Martin that can’t catch a ball?
More of the same
I think every other coach has figured out Narduzzi’s defense and is taking advantage of it.
The officiating in the Big Ten continues to be sub par. Somewhere Purdue got a first down after the officials on the field said the WR was down short. On replay, they gave himt he first down, but the WR fumbled. If you are going to change the call, why wouldn’t you count the fumbe? Its just crap.
I am happy MSU won and is going bowling. I am excited about next week against Penn State.
That's not the bad part of the overturn
The bad part is that he should be marked down when the official blows the whistle. There’s no way he got that first before the whistle was blown.
A positive sign in the coaching: Nichol did not play, and we scored a couple times from the goal line.
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I was thinking the same thing...
“do they get slow-mo sound on that replay? How do they know if the whistle is blown?” And if they had slow-mo sound, would they hear the MSU DB saying “Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooo!!!!!!…”
On the call: The ref did say he got the first down on the “initial” lunge. I haven’t gone back and looked at it closely, but that seemed plausible to me when they showed the replay on TV. Not that I’m defending the Big Ten’s “magic eight ball” approach to replay reviews.
On the coaching: Also, the less predictable pass rush schemes on the final Purdue drive.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
It's because we were only up 3
You have to be somewhat more aggressive on D when a FG matters. When only a TD can hurt you, coaches are much more likely to do silly things like give the opponents a free pass to the 20 yard line. (To be fair, this isn’t only our coaching staff … but ours sure have had plenty of opportunities to learn.)
Confusing
I’m not really sure on that call. It was really confusing. I thought he got the first down the first time he lunged forward, but then did he go backwards of his own intention? He didn’t seem to be “down” until the very end.
If he’s still up at the very end, that’s a fumble. But I think the whistle, no matter what, would have trumped the fumble (even if it was the wrong call) because hadn’t the whistle blown before the final push?
I don’t know; I’m lost. I don’t have the replay in front of me.
Blown Call
The official on the field should not have blown the play dad as the Purdue WR never stopped moving forward. Purdue should have gotten the first down. However, the WR then fumbled the ball so it should have been MSU football.
It was just a slew of bad officiating on this one play.
Reffing issue...
Anyone else notice how White’s fumble was basically the same exact scenario that happened against Minnesota… and yet it wasn’t even reviewed in this case?
I was shocked it wasn't reviwed
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I actually thought the most ridiculous call in the game
. . . was Bolden’s unsportsmanlike penalty for quickly hugging Purdue Pete after he scored a touchdown. It wasn’t remotely “unsportsmanlike” . . . and if the rule dictates that call, the rule is completely insane.
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Celebration
I think the reigns should be loosened on all those calls. Sure, if what the player does is excessive in time, self-aggrandizing, taunt-like, offensive, etc., it should be a penalty, but when you have 20 year-olds excited over big plays there should be some tolerance.
There is a slippery slope there
Pretty soon you’ll have every school with some tradition of the mascot performing a dance or something with players that score TDs and the refs will have to decide what’s sportsmanlike and what’s not.
I agree about the nature of this specific instance, but it’s better to draw the line clearly on this side of mascots getting involved.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 15, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Wanted to come over and congratulate you guys
Great game today, fellas. Both teams played hard and wanted it bad. In the end, you made fewer mistakes and that is why you won. Now go do the Big Ten some good and win your bowl.
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Thanks, T
Very classy of you.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 14, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Per Rexrode,
this is what I saw at halftime:
And another leadership moment for the “fifth captain,” Trevor Anderson. He told the coaches to get out of the locker room at halftime, and he and Greg Jones let it rip. The defense still couldn’t get much done, until the very end. But it’s better to be dominated and come up with the winning play than to dominate and not. You know, like the MSU-Iowa game?
Anderson and Jones led the team out of the locker room, so that sounds about right.
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I love the win to death, but...
Someone (hey there, Mark!) is going to have to pull Pat Narduzzi aside and tell him his shit stinks. Because it really, really stinks.
Either he’s got to change his entire approach to scheming, playcalling, and coaching, or we need to find ourselves a new defensive coordinator. It’s not even a matter of the absurd amount of points the defense has hemorrhaged these last two Big Ten games; it’s the amount of easy plays the defense constantly gives up on drives.
I feel like I went clinically insane for a few short seconds at least six drives while on defense. This is not good for Michigan State because it means they aren’t executing, and it’s not good for me because I like being sane.
Keep me sane, Pat. Do something different.
by cwel87 on Nov 14, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
+1
for “it’s not good for me because I like being sane”. Same blasted stuff that’s carved us up all year, and I don’t think it’s all on lack of talent.
Ugh
Boilermakers coach Danny Hope said Purdue was able to take advantage of things from a schematic standpoint.
“We had a great game plan. They have a very vanilla defensive formation,” Hope said. “We knew what were up against and what we had to do. We just had to execute and I felt like we really did.”
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I feel bad for our defense...
and guys like Greg Jones in particular, who thrives even in a terribly run system. I know that its not for lack of talent that we’re giving up this many points.
by nickexperience on Nov 15, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
That is exactly what got Michigan fans so fed up with Lloyd Carr. And he had (in general) better talent to work with than we do.
Defenses work a lot better when your opponent doesn’t know exactly what’s coming. An average five-year-old child who has watched MSU this year can guess exactly what’s coming from our defense.
It's getting ridiculous
In a fan shot from a couple of weeks ago I linked to a story where Adam Weber of Minnesota said essentially the same thing. This kind of “we’re-going-to-do-what-we-do-just-try-and-beat-us” attitude only works if you’ve got the talent of the 1966 MSU defense. And that’s not a knock on this year’s players.
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