On Michigan State University and Thuggery
[Warning: Overdramatic blogging ahead. But it looks to be a fairly dramatic moment for both the football team and the university then, isn't it? Which is roughly the point I'll get to in a moment.]
Over the coming days/weeks/months, we're going to be inundated with media and internet reports about the precise nature of the altercation (if that's the right word for it) that occurred at Rather Hall Sunday night. Be prepared for a deluge of speculation. How many football players were involved? Who were they? Which ones, if any, were wearing ski masks? Who has previous violent incidents in their past? Was there a maybe-sort-of legitimate cause for retribution?
I'm here to tell you that none of it matters.
If there were, in fact, one or more football players involved in what, if the initial report is at all accurate, was a premeditated act of pure thuggery (and all signs point to yes on players being involved) those players need to be dismissed from both the team and the university with all dispatch.
I don't care if there was only one football player in the group. I don't care if none of the players involved were the individuals wearing the ski masks. I don't care if a player just happened to tag along because he ran into the group as it walked to the dorm. I don't care if dismissing a player is likely to lead that player down a path toward lifelong ruin. And I certainly don't care what impact any player's dismissal will have on the team's fortunes in its bowl game and/or the 2010 season.
Further, a clear message needs to be delivered to the entire Michigan State football team that the level of tolerance for violence and any other form of law-breaking is now exactly zero. No more second chances. You get a first chance. And then you're done.
One would think that such a warning would have been handed down after the Winston/Sturges incident. If it was, apparently it didn't work (as, obviously, the Winston-second-chance decision didn't work).
If everything is as it seems to be, this is a defining moment not just for Mark Dantonio's tenure as head coach of the MSU football team, but for the university itself. For better or worse, the football team is, if not the face of the university, certainly a major component of the university's public profile. When the average person thinks about MSU, they don't think about the medical schools or the cyclotron, they think about the football team and (thank goodness) the basketball team.
Yeah, I don’t think many MSU fans would feel that this type of black mark is worth a few wins. We have to carry our degrees into the world and these sorts of things matter, both in the football world and outside of it.
I can only hope that, beyond the simple issue of integrity as it relates directly to the football program, the impact of this incident and those that have preceded it on the broader reputation of the university and its alumni/supporters will figure prominently into the thinking and decision making of Mark Dantonio, Mark Hollis, and Lou Anna Simon as this situation moves forward. In fact, strike the first two names on that list of decision makers. Mark Dantonio may (or may not) know what's in the best interest of his team or a given football player. But responsibility for protecting the image and integrity of the university rests with its president.
When an athlete in a high-profile college program commits wrongdoing, it's easy to moralize about it and demand swift justice, irrespective of other realities that may exist. In this case, though, the reality is that our university is now going to be firmly linked in the public's eye to a gang of ski-mask-wearing thugs invading a college dormitory and pushing women around. Barring the football team somehow being completely exonerated of having been involved, that reality trumps any other realities.
This may sound clichéd, but the athletic department is, in fact, a department within the university. And the way the institutional response to this incident is handled better reflect that organizational fact.
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Dantonio and discipline
One of the biggest pluses to bringing in Dantonio in the first place was the aura of discipline after so many years of reading about team captains trying to run over a cop with their car (thanks D. Moss!), players arrested for unarmed robbery of all things, etc. It was with this in mind that I think a nice majority of the MSU fan base was left questioning Dantonio after Winston was let back on the team after (from all eyewitness account and the judicial system) he drove to another students house and proceed to sucker punch him in his front yard with a band of thugs. All “everyone deserves a second chance” fluff aside, Winston should have been shown the door at that point in time, never to return. Well, he came back and did it again (although he apparently had the smarts to try to hide under a ski mask this time).
At this point, everything Winston has done this year on campus has been because Dantonio allowed him to stay. If he does outstanding charity work and turns his life around (so to speak), props to coach D. If he goes out and beats up some women, that falls on coach D as well.
"It's a trap!"
by AdmiralAkbar on Nov 25, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!
I will say that Winston/Jenrette could have been dismissed for something else. They both had injuries so maybe they spent most of their time getting high.
Since there is no quote that I have seen including them in the fight, I will give them the benefit of the doubt, for now.
I would not be surprised if both were not involved and that this is Dantonio’s first shot across the bow for the team and more dismissals are going to follow.
by DrDetroit on Nov 25, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors
Some on RCMB claim Winston was involved in an incident at Small Planet near Chandler that prompted the above thuggery.
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
by Seer on Nov 25, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Allegedness
If it turns out not a single football player was involved in the incident, then this is all moot.
I hope that turns out to be the case. But I’m not holding my breath.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 25, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Just when people were starting to forget about the rioting of ‘99/etc., we stepped it up from a bunch couch-burning hooligans to thugs who slap around women. It’s absolutely shameful and deeply embarassing.
Forget “justice”, some harsh discipline needs to be meted out swiftly if there’s to be any hope of damage control for the reputations of the university, football program, and coaching staff.
Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street
by ChiSpartan on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Leader
If indeed numerous football players were involved, and none of them stopped to think “If Coach even hears a whisper of a rumor with my name on this, I’m gone”, this is an indictment of the enforcement of discipline by Dantonio, and pretty much his control of the team. The greater the number of players involved, the more it should have happened that several should have thought the above and vehemently tried to dissuade the others.
I agree with witless chum, from the other thread, who observed that if you get 100 18-23 year old guys together occasional trouble is bound to break out (no matter the background, by the way). However, this is precisely why the guy at the top needs to be 100% on point and in control and be an overbearing presence in the collective subconscious in order to keep everyone in line. We’ve been thinking Dantonio was that guy. Now we will see.
by DP99 on Nov 25, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This is a big test for Coach D. Maybe it signals that he needs to be more of a hands-on guy. Also, I’m not sure the captains are totally above reproach here either and Jones, Weaver, Cousins and White should all be taken to task too. Who’s to say, but possibly if the captains were maintaining plenty of contact with their teammates those guys who were involved in this incident would’ve thought twice about what they’re doing on their free time. The example is set from the top down, both from the staff and the team’s leaders.
by TahoeSparty on Nov 25, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Co-sign
On all of it. Losing “the right way” sucks. Winning the wrong way sucks worse.
by SpartanDan on Nov 25, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's not overdramatic at all, KJ
I think your last two paragraphs really put it together. Well said, and I couldn’t agree more. The image of a “gang of ski-mask-wearing thugs invading a college dormitory and pushing women around” turns my stomach. That’s not the association I want people to make when they think of the school that conferred my degree.
by intrpdtrvlr on Nov 25, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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