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Preview: Michigan State Spartans vs. North Carolina Tarheels

When last we met.

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When last we met.

Your MICHIGAN STATE SPARTANS vs. the NORTH CAROLINA TARHEELS
THE DEAN E. SMITH CENTER, CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA
9:00 P.M. (ET), TUESDAY

TV: ESPN (Dickie V, sadly)

Tarheel bullets:

  • You may recall that North Carolina had a pretty good squad last season: 34-4 overall, 13-3 in the ACC, National Champions.
  • Oh, and they posted two wins against the Spartans of Michigan State University by a combined margin of 52 points.
  • Four of five starters departed for the NBA.
  • 6-1 thus far in the new season.  Beat Ohio State by 4 points; lost to Syracuse by 16 (both games in New York).
  • Plenty of talent/depth remains.  10 players averaging at least 9 minutes per game.

Starter-plus-sixth-man (Zeller) statistical capsule (more stats here):

PosPlayerHeightYearMin/GPts/G2pt%3pt%FT%Reb/GAst/G
G Larry Drew II 6'2" SO 25.3 7.7 .526 .471 .625 2.3 6.7
G/F Marcus Ginyard 6'5" RS SR 30.3 11.4 .595 .474 .692 3.7 4.1
F/G Will Graves 6'6" RS JR 18.7 7.3 .440 .269 .800 3.7 0.7
F Deon Thompson 6'9" SR 26.9 17.7 .561 -- .800 8.9 1.4
F Ed Davis 6'10" SO 24.9 12.7 .680 -- .618 9.9 1.4
F Tyler Zeller 7'0" SO 16.0 10.1 .614 -- .773 3.9 0.4

Star-divide

TMadison has already provided us with a thorough rundown of the early four-factors profile for the new-edition Tarheels.  I won't repeat everything he's already done.

The offensive strength of the team rests with the final three numbers in the "2pt%" column of the table above.  Thompson, Davis, and Zeller are all scoring very efficiently near the basket.  That's going to pose a major problem for MSU.  In both our games against quality opponents to date (Gonzaga/Florida), the opponent's big men scored very efficiently--much more so than the opposing guards.  Draymond Green and Delvon Roe, for all their strengths, don't have the height to match-up with taller players who can turn and score.

The trick will be to deny the Tarheel big men good position, limit them to one shot when they do get the ball in the post, and hope the UNC guards don't get hot.  In Carolina's loss to Syacuse, Graves and Drew combined to make just 2 of 14 FG attempts against the Syracuse zone.  (It also helped that the Orangemen posted an eFG% of 61.0%.)  Might we finally see that zone defense Tom Izzo keeps claiming he's got the team practicing--at least to throw a different look at the Tarheels for a few possessions?  More broadly, it'll be interesting to see whether Izzo has his guards hedge off perimeter shooters more than usual to try to deny clean entry passes into the post or pressure the UNC guards to try to take advantage of the turnover issues the Tarheels have displayed to date.

Generally, it's going to be on Kalin Lucas, Durrell Summers, and Chris Allen to take advantage of their experience and scoring abilities against the relatlively-less imposing UNC guards.  Marcus Ginyard--the man who forced Evan Turner to turn the ball over 10 times--will have something to say about that, though.

UNC is a "long" team, as the NBA draft experts would say.  Five of their top six players are 6'5" or taller.  The team is averaing 5.9 blocked shots per game, led by Ed Davis' 2.6 blocks/game.  Thankfully, MSU has shown a propensity for avoiding getting its shots blocked this season, ranking 7th in the nation in offensive block%.  They'll need to create good looks near the basket, but probably not right at the rim, and knock down whatever open 3-point looks they get agains the UNC guards (opposing 3pt% = 37.3%).

This game feels more must-winnish than nonconference games (even those against top-ten opponents) typically do.  Some of that is the revenge factor for last year's two blowout losses--the second on the game's biggest stage.  But it's also a function of the ugly loss to Florida.  Win this game and that loss becomes a narrow loss to a young, fairly-talented team that will likely be an NCAA Tournament team in three months.  Lose this game and we fall clearly outside the top 10, having struggled or lost against all three quality opponents to date, and a #1 or #2 seed for the NCAA Tournament becomes a pretty steep uphill climb.

If this game is to be won, I expect it'll be done so in a high-scoring affair, with both teams taking advantage of the other's defensive weaknesses.  Given that MSU's lineup is now pretty close to 100%--with Raymar Morgan (who, as always, is the X-factor offensively) coming off three straight appearnaces of 19+ minutes--it's now or not-until-the-22nd-vs.-Texas to show what this team can do when all the parts are clicking on offense.  I don't think the Lucas-plus-Green-plus-one-or-two-other-guys-playing-efficiently offensive attack works in this one. [/excessively-hyphenated sentences]

P.S.  Talor Battle and Co. win on the road to give the Big Ten a 1-0 lead.  Reverse-jinx Sagarin-odds post working perfectly.  [Laughs maniacally.]

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Must win

Maybe not, but certainly very close.
I’m a Spartan fan of the opinion that the first UNC game last year was a real detriment in the rematch. Players are human beings and once the going got rough in the national championship game that first match-up started playing a major role in the MSU players’ heads even if they wouldn’t like to admit it. They would have been better off to never have played the first game.

Anyway, yep, I think this is an opportunity to make a statement about how good this team can be. I don’t care how “inexperienced” UNC is. It’s their crown to take and I consider them the favorites regardless. MSU needs to take ‘em down. We’ll see.

by intrpdtrvlr on Dec 1, 2009 6:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tonight

Oh how I’m hoping for much better production out of the gate than in the previous two meetings. If they falter early tonight, I do hope that Izzo will call an early timeout instead of trying to let them work through it.
This is one of those look-yourself-in-the mirror games. As a team we need to find consistency from players beyond Lucas and Green. We need at least three of the other core players to be present tonight.
I would like to see Lucas look to assist a bit more. I think that can help get his teammates going. I have no doubt that we can be an exciting and dominant team this year. I’d like to see them play with the mindset that every possession is critical, and, on the defense end, my guy is not going to beat me. We wil know a lot more about this team after tonight.

by donaldo on Dec 1, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Our guards will be the key

I think they need to have a good night offensively as a group, as UNCs height advantage will make it tough for our bigs to score. The one exception will be Morgan – if he is matched up against Graves, he’ll have a couple of inches and we should post him up down low if we get that matchup.

I would not mind seeing the zone in this game either – 3 point shooting is a relative weakness for UNC (compared to how efficiently they score in the paint). Plus Syracuse’s zone bothered them. I’d rather we forced them to make their guards beat us with outside shooting than let them dump it inside and go head to head against their bigs. Given how easy it was for Gonzaga’s bigs to score down low denying post entry and forcing their guards to prove they can hit outside shots looks like our best strategy on D.

It will be interesting to see who they put Ginyard on. Lucas would be the obvious choice but Allen has quietly become (arguably) our best offensive player from a statistical standpoint. He’s got our highest eFG percentage, is shooting better than 40% from three point land, and has the second highest assist to turnover ratio on the team (ahead of Lucas but behind Lucious). If I were UNC I would be concerned about letting him get hot.

by TheCrestedHelm on Dec 1, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good

I was thinking any reference to MSU being favorites in this game is ridiculous.
MSU needs this win to displace the monkey. Come tourney time, we don’t need the monkey.

by intrpdtrvlr on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible feeling going in.

We just aren’t sharp enough right now offensively to win a game like this on their floor. The only reason I think we have a chance is that UNC is arguably a bigger mess than we are right now.

Izzo’s system requires time to get rotations and combinations down. I don’t see us as being ready. That said, I don’t expect an out-and-out pantsing like last year, but I think UNC will get us down 8-10 fairly early and ride their customary ridiculous free throw advantage to the win. Roe, Green, and the Triumvirate simply must stay out of foul trouble for us to pull this off, and I don’t see it.

by rook34 on Dec 1, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

agree

I’m afraid I have to agree with rook34. I would add that MSU’s defense can carry them in the early season — as in last year’s win over Texas, but this year’s team seems very average defensively. Also, If Florida’ s length bothered MSU, I don’t see how they handle UNC’s even greater length. I just don’t think they match up well with UNC.

A win is possible if a) MSU shoots well from outside, ans b) our bigs stay out of foul trouble. The intangibles? coaching — Williams is a dreadful floor coach. But ultimately, I guess I just don’t see it. the last few years have taught me to have low expectations in December, high ones in March.

by Anderlecht on Dec 1, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Here are the problems

Roe and Morgan persistent reach-in foul troubles and this being too early for this tall a task for Nix/Sherman. Without those two, MSU is about 2 inches shorter at every position head-to-head. We haven’t figured out how to play small-ball yet or run the 2005 Chris Hill/Drew Neitzel/Alan Anderson outlet-to-midcourt-sideline fast breaks. Playing teams with size will be a problem all year until two of Nix/Sherman, small-ball, reach ins, and quick outlet fastbreaks gets figured out. Sorry if that sounded like Bill Simmons.

by DP99 on Dec 1, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What's with all the gloom and doom?

I realize we’ve been trounced by UNC a lot lately, and it is frustrating, but this is an entirely different UNC team. I’m not saying we’ll win, but there are reasons for cautious optimism. Our offense looks about 6 points better than theirs, and our D’s are basically equal according to Kenpom.com. It’s early to say anything definitively, but on paper at least we look like the better team. They are not the monster they were last year. Their size is a concern, but we beat one team with even more size this year (Gonzaga) that also had a more experienced backcourt than UNC currently does, so it is not a reason to give up all hope.

They do have the home-court advantage going for them, and that is my main concern as it will lead to foul discrepancies, and we are already prone to fouling. Plus it may exacerbate the jitter-induced turnover problems we are prone to. Assuming we go with Nix/Sherman, Roe, and Morgan/Green we pretty much match their size on the interior. They have a slight height advantage on the perimeter but it’s not extreme, and I think we are more skilled there overall than they are, which is something that could not be said last year. As long as we can keep our wits about us and avoid wounds of the self-inflicted variety (i.e. unforced turnovers) I think we have a shot.

by TheCrestedHelm on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Summers Time

It seems that Summers saves his best for the big stage, so I’m looking for a big game from him tonight. Light it up, Durrell!

by donaldo on Dec 1, 2009 3:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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