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Is slow and steady right for MSU football?

You have to figure that Mark Dantonio loves game day. To succeed as a big-time college football coach means you love putting your team to the test, seeing how your players respond to adversity, making the high-stress decisions that can tilt the outcome.

But he seldom looks like he’s having fun. Instead, he’s usually got that look—flinty, focused, irritable, whatever you want to call it. Ironically, though, that same frown and the steadiness it projects is giddying news to MSU fans after years of turmoil in the program.

And clearly it’s not just a facade. Dantonio has rebuilt MSU’s program slowly, steadily, solidly—fostering more consistent and fundamental play, and building a strong foundation through exceptional in-state (and Midwest) recruiting. At the same time, there are a couple of odd characteristics of Dantonio’s program that don’t fit the image.  One, obviously, manifested itself at Rather Hall: a large, organized group of ski-mask-wearing football players storming a residence hall to take on some frat guys is so uncharacteristic of a highly disciplined program as to be almost implausible.

The other oddities are visible on Saturdays. You expect a team with Dantonio’s personality to control the trenches, to win ugly, to run the ball and stop the run. Instead, State’s lines haven’t been consistently dominating at the point of attack on either side of the ball. What’s happened this year—a great passing attack combined with a sketchy defense and running game—is pretty much the anti-Perles. (And we’ll see what the passing game looks like in a bowl game with Blair White, Keshawn Martin and our various TEs.)

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I’ve always figured the on-field issues would be resolved in a matter of time. It’s encouraging that some of our recent star recruits (OLs David Barrent and, more recently, Sklyer Schofner) are trenches guys.

The off-field stuff is more disturbing. I know that not every recruit is a model citizen, and I know that this, in fact, is a strong understatement. But this is a rare, dramatic case of football players gone wild. We’re talking about a group that includes upperclassmen, team leaders, guys who you’d think would be committed to the program, deciding to do whatever it is they did at Rather Hall. Together. Right after the football banquet. You’d think that the idea of upholding the program’s image, if not its values, would have occurred and been compelling to at least a couple of them. (Or, failing that, at least their scholarships and/or NFL prospects.)

We don’t know what happened yet—we may never know. But it will be interesting to see how Dantonio handles the fallout. Plenty of fans are calling for Dantonio to hand walking papers to all of these players. But in a similar situation last year, Dantonio gave a second chance to Glenn Winston. What’s interesting to me is that the steady, consistent thing to do would be to apply the same philosophy to first-time offenders now—again, assuming that what happened at Rather Hall was similar to what happened with the hockey guys last year.

Obviously the coach has already decided against a third chance in Winston’s case. We don’t know exactly what Roderick Jenrette’s situation was last year, so I don’t want to lump him in with Winston. But Jenrette is gone, too.

With the first-time offenders, though, it would surprise me if Dantonio changed his approach now just because fans are clamoring. In fact, I’d be disappointed, because I’d rather see him be consistent.

Mark Dantonio may deal with this situation differently, either because the situation itself is sufficiently different (and it may well be) or because he’s concerned that the program (its culture, perception or both) is in danger and therefore not in position to hand out second chances. I get that, and I’d be okay with it. But if he decides to give these guys another shot (and I’m talking about next year here, not the bowl game), then I’ll know MSU and Dantonio are keeping a steady course.

Which is a good thing. 

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Great post...

…although I respectfully disagree with it. My feeling is that after the Winston incident last year, and how similar this situation is, there should have been an implicit (even if unstated) understanding that this will not be tolerated.

Essentially, that Winston’s second chance was everyone’s second chance. We don’t need every player on the football team to punch someone to understand that this is unacceptable. One person is all it takes for the team to understand that lesson.

I supported the decision to reinstate Winston at the beginning of the season, and I still feel that it was the right call at the time. But I have to think the justification for giving Winston a second chance was to give the kid a chance to do it “the right way.” Well, he, along with several teammates, went back to doing it “the wrong way.”

That, in my mind, is grounds for dismissal.

by Spartan-Football on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

Agree, kind of

I agree with your main point, which seems to be “Ok, everyone on the football team knows this is not acceptable, so no more second chances”. We all assume that Dantonio is an angry disciplinarian, but what we have seen out of these off field incidents seems to directly contradict that.

I disagree with your opinion that Winston deserved a second chance in the first place. His first incident (much like the latest incident) was not simply getting caught up in a bar fight. He drove to someone’s house and by all accounts proceeded to put the guy in the hospital with a sucker punch in the front yard. The fact that a second chance was given in that first attack (wasn’t really a “fight”, after all) directly led to this second attack, in my opinion.

The bottom line is this was a premeditated assault by a whole platoon of football players, all of which should know better not only from common sense but from the disciplinary attitude that we all assume Dantonio is instilling in the guys. This was not a freshman getting an open intox or showing up late to practice; this was a coordinated assault using ski masks (!!) to hide identities.

Honestly, I think its time we started looking at exactly what kind of discipline Dantonio is demanding from these kids, as it does not look that great lately.

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Dec 3, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I certainly see your point.

It wasn’t an easy call at the beginning of the season.

If Winston keeps his nose clean, fulfills his academic obligations, and performs well the rest of his time at MSU, then he’s a feel-good story of redemption, and in hindsight the call to reinstate him was gracious and good.

Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case. Hindsight is, after all, 20/20.

by Spartan-Football on Dec 3, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Hindsight

is indeed 20/20. At the beginning of the year I remember thinking “ooooh I bet Dantonio read him the riot act and he will never step out of line again!”. This seems to be far from the case, however, and he seems to have also dragged at least over half a dozen other players with him into legal trouble.

More than anything, this looks like that old fashioned JLS discipline

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Dantonio

For god sakes man there where no ski masks…

by headeast on Dec 3, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions  

Link?

But Southfield lawyer Vanessa Moss-Wilson said her client, MSU student Brent Mitchell, suffered a jaw injury in the incident. Mitchell told Moss-Wilson that 15 to 20 MSU football players, some wearing ski masks, stormed a gathering of his fraternity, Iota Phi Theta.

http://www.greenandwhite.com/article/20091130/GW01/911300334

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Dec 3, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Ski Mask's??

I have heard different accounts of this some saying there were ski masks and others saying there were not. I have also heard that there is also a video of the incident. There is so much misinformation about this incident that at this point I want to wait for the facts.

by tien_3 on Dec 3, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

The ski mask thing...

…might be irrelevant. If they did have masks, then it’s clearly premeditated. But if they didn’t have masks, this still strikes me as being premeditated.

It’s not like a group of 15 guys are walking down the hall when all of a sudden some frat brother rushes by, trips, spills an entire casserole dish of cheesy potatoes on one of the players and all hell breaks loose.

by Spartan-Football on Dec 3, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Ski Masks?

My point was not the ski masks. My point was that that there exists misinformation regarding this incident and that it would behove us all to wait until the facts are in.

by tien_3 on Dec 3, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

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