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Geeks with the +/- numbers for the Wofford game. Draymond Green comes out on top again. Delvon Roe and Korie Lucious were the only regulars who didn't post positive numbers.

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These types of looks are fascinating. I find myself wondering, though, would it be even more insightful to compare the +/- stats to each player’s PPG? Green scores 12 but the team differential is +24, so his presence on the court can be partially linked to 12 points beyond the dozen he personally scored. On the other hand (I don’t have a great example here), Lucious scored three but the differential was even, so his presence may have actually hurt the team since, in this case, it negated his offensive output.

Player +/- PTS +/- over PTS
Draymond Green 24 12 12
Chris Allen 21 11 10
Raymar Morgan 19 19 0
Kalin Lucas 18 13 5
Isaiah Dahlman 5 2 3
Garrick Sherman 4 4 0
Durrell Summers 2 2 0
Delvon Roe 0 2 -2
Korie Lucious 0 3 -3
Tom Herzog 0 2 -2
Jon Crandell -5 0 -5
Mike Kebler -6 2 -8
Derrick Nix -8 0 -8
Austin Thornton -14 0 -14

This isn’t terribly insightful in this particular game (and who knows, maybe it isn’t terribly insightful in general), but I’d say it better shows the added (or negative) value of a player separately from his personal offensive contribution. Of course, you can’t really net out a player’s personal defensive contribution to the spread though. I don’t know. I like numberses.

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by Spartalytical on Dec 5, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Was thinking about this same thing today

Subtracting out points scored gives you a rough approximation of “What did this player contribute outside of scoring the ball?” Morgan, for example, didn’t appear to do much on defense or playing w/o the ball on offense. Subject to the standard caveats on +/- stats, of course.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Dec 5, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

So I think you’d end up wanting to look at the Team Def Eff on its own versus the Team Off Eff (net of that particular player’s scoring) for each player.

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by Spartalytical on Dec 5, 2009 2:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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