Glenn Winston is back on the team
As reported by Eric Lacy of the Detroit News earlier today.
"Glenn has done everything that he's been asked to do from a judicial and team standpoint," Spartans coach Mark
Dantonio said. "He has paid the penalty for his actions.
My feelings are mixed about this decision. On the negative side, Winston did send A.J. Sturges to the hospital with a serious injury, one that might have caused brain damage. Now that he's out, I feel like a redshirt year might have been good for him (no word yet on that status, but I assume he'll play this year) in order to get his life back in order after spending the last few months in Ingham County's jail, let alone join the team at all this season.
On the other hand though, he has done his time. He was suspended indefinitely at the time of his sentence, although it seems strange that Roderick Jenrette was suspended longer for issues that are unclear to this day, while Winston's back on the team. I assume that Dantonio was keeping track of Winston during summer school (Ed. Note - he was allowed to leave jail to attend classes - Pete) to make sure he was making the progress necessary.
I can see it both ways. If you believe he should be banished from the team, I get that. However, as much as I might get hammered by some for this belief, he deserves a second - and last, if it happens again, he definitely should be gone - chance. What Winston did was undoubtedly stupid, malicious, and a prime example of how testosterone and alcohol can screw up lives in one night. That said, even though I would of liked to have seen him redshirt this year, everyone deserves one chance of redemption. Let this be his.
Comments? I know some of you have to have some thoughts on this, let's just keep it civil.
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We have to remember that these guys are just kids. Kids make mistakes. Remember how you were, freshman, sophomore year of college? I don’t know the situation of his offense, so I’m not going to judge him too harshly. If he blatantly attacked some innocent bystander, he doesn’t deserve to be on the team, but somehow, I don’t think that was the case. If it was just a case of alcohol + insults = temper, then he deserves a second chance. But by God, he should know he’s under a microscope from here on out. Keep your nose clean.
Winton's Reinstatement
This one is a really tough call for me. Originally the word was that he was getting out August 13th. Then we find out today that not only was he let out a few days earlier, but was at practice on day one. Although it’s not like one of the media reporters wasn’t going to look up and see “G. Winston” on his helmet and not put two and two together. I guess it seems like a really quick turn-around. I also would have preferred to hear Dantonio talk briefly about the situation, about what Glenn has done to earn this opportunity to rejoin the team, instead of just directing the media to a prepared statement written by some PR flack.
by Spartan-Football on Aug 10, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
The onlyh thing I can say about the quick reinstatement of Winston after his release from jail, is that Glenn had been suspended for 6ish games last season for this incidend, before he was sentenced by a judge. That is why I think Coach D. feels that Winston has paid his debt athletically, being released from jail makes us believe that he has paid his debt judiciously(sp?), and I don’t know the details, but it appears that he has been able to keep his grades up and perform well academically. Either way, the decision has been made by the people who matter (Dantonio and Hollis), so all we can say is congratulations Glenn, and I hope you realize what a great opportunity this second chance is, and don’t waste it.
Obviously I'm not thrilled by this.
My general feeling about the situation is here. Obviously, his debt to society has been paid, etc. etc., but my reflex is to be very cautious on this type of stuff. Obviously, Dantonio is no Bobby Williams, but I’m much more interested in keeping a clean program than in the marginal benefit Winston would provide on kickoff returns (and a possibly greater benefit at running back). It’s not the best practice to make examples of people — especially when they’re 19 years old — but at least here it doesn’t seem unwarranted to do so:
Another man who claimed Winston hit him was later diagnosed with a broken jaw. Witnesses said that man and Sturges both were acting as peace makers during the incident.
Winston and White initially denied any involvement in fighting when questioned by police.
"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
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And,
I must have just set the record for the most uses of “obviously” in a comment.
"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
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Nah
Only twice. It just looks bad because the layout shows them on top of each other. Dare I say, the overuse looks more obvious than it is?
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
One thousand times, YES
I take a spirited — though admittedly indefensible — stance on this, because I generally support the idea of MSU being a home for the wayward miscreant.
Nevertheless, I think we can objectively conclude the following two items:
1. Glenn Winston is better — size, strength, speed — than anyone else MSU has in the backfield.
2. Are you simple? Read the first one again.
by patrick d walters on Aug 11, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions
I guess I might be able to accept it if
Winston had been involved in the initial altercation, tempers flared, and he threw a few punches. However, he was not on the scene during the initial fight, from the reports I’ve read. He apparently came with the carload of players that showed up after White started the fisticuffs by punching a hockey player after an argument. Another hockey player then got the better of White in a one-on-one fight, so he went to get a carload of his teammates, who were not involved in the initial incident.
There may have been alcohol involved, but Winston had no reason to get involved with this crap after the fact. White’s teammates should have refused to go to the party and escalate the situation, including Winston. They went there looking for trouble and people were seriously injured. It’s the apparent premeditation (coming to the scene from somewhere else looking to cause trouble) that crosses the line for me. He’s paid his debt to society but being on the MSU football team is not a right, it is a privelage. He should be able to stay at the school but I see no reason to reinstate him to the football team.
by TheCrestedHelm on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
Its Time
We need to treat Athletes, Pro and College, the same way we do everyday people who can’t run, jump, tackle, skate or putt. Its time to quit treating them with lighter sentences, they break they rules they’re out. How about Kane from Chicago? What’s going on behind the scenes?? At Michigan, Justin Feagin was getting into trouble off the field he was dismissed from the team. Why should we expect MSU to be any different? Let’s clean up sports and give our Kid’s real role models.
by Chi Town Wolverine on Aug 11, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
Huge difference between Feagin and Winston
Winston committed a double misdemeanor. What Feagin did is a major felony, a federal offense unless I am mistaken.
Afaik, Feagin hasn’t been charged with a single thing by the AAPD. Glenn Winston has been charged, convicted and finished his sentence.
Winston has served his time, and is being given a second chance. I think most people in Winston’s situation would get some sort of second chance, athlete or not.
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
A nice sentiment...
…but an unrealistic expectation. If you’re looking for athletes to be role models for kids, time to pick up the search elsewhere.
by patrick d walters on Aug 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Kelvin Grady. Carson Butler. Marlin Jackson. Adrian Arrington. Michigan is not a shining example in this regard, so can it.
The difference between being a cocaine dealer with a criminal record and getting in a fight in college is obviously not very large to you. I’m sure you and Hammurabi could have a nice, agreeable discussion on punishment fitting the crime.
To be...
…fair to Feagin, he didn’t actually set up the cocaine deal he’s supposed to have said he would set up. Whether there’s actually any evidence he really intended to do so, or was just bilking the arsonist, might explain why he didn’t get charged.
To make this any kind of thing with MSU vs. U of M is dumb, IMO. Personally, I much care what Michigan does. They can be saints, sinners or whatevers, I’ll still hate them (in a sports fan way, not for real) because they’re Michigan.
by witless chum on Aug 12, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
comparisons
I do not think it is fair to compare the Justin Feagin situation at UM to Winston’s situation at MSU. All of Winston’s troubles stem from one night of extreme stupidity. Feagin was an ongoing criminal with an admitted history of illegal activity. In general, I dislike these types of comparisons since every situation is unique. In addition, we rarely have all the information so it is impossible to fairly judge.
Since Coach D has decided to reinstate him, I must assume that Coach D feels that the fight was an isolated incident and that he is otherwise a quality individual and worthy of a second chance. It is easy to state that he should be kicked off the team but many of us have done some stupid things that we don’t feel represent our true qualities (granted Winston was extremely stupid). I wonder whether the punishment was sufficient (Based on available public information, I would suspend him for the entire 09 season) but obviously Coach D feels this his punishment was already sufficient.
Amazing how this is now a MSU v U of M spat
As far as I am concerned, I don’t believe either (Feagin or Winston) should be playing football, but the two situations don’t compare. I don’t think collegiate players need to be role models, but being able to get away with this behavior is absurd to me.
I see what you mean, but to be fair
I wouldn’t call four months in jail “getting away with it”.
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by Pete Rossman on Aug 11, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Maybe frustration with the entire situation just makes me want to forget the entire things. For now, I hope to see a player thankful for an opportunity to play.
Put me on the side that is fine with him being back. He got into a fight a really stupid one but a fight. This talk that he is getting away with anything is over the line I think. 4 months in pirson and he was suspendend for half of last year also. He has kept up his grades threwout and stayed eligable. I like that he is getting a 2nd chance. If anything else gone I think it should be the end of Winston.
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
I'm on the fence...
…about Winston playing this year, which Rexrode pointed out in the LSJ, he isn’t necessarily going to be doing. I definitely agree with giving him a second chance after the incident, if he keeps his nose clean. I wasn’t in favor of him getting out of jail in October and suiting up the next week, but with him out now, that changes it some for me.
http://www.greenandwhite.com/article/20090811/GW01/908110325&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
That’s a link to Rexrode’s story on the fight and Winston’s return, which is much more complete. It details Dantonio’s reaction, according ot the police report:
When police interviewed Dantonio in December, he expressed anger at the incident, which came just a few hours after MSU’s 45-7 loss to Ohio State.
He told them the players’ punishments included a week suspension from the program, no suiting up for the Michigan and Wisconsin games, and three weeks of confinement to the football building, the academic building or their dorm rooms.
According to the report, he said one of the players was off the team permanently considering other incidents as well, and that if any of the players “did not tell the absolute truth to the police department while they were doing their investigation, that they would be done with the MSU football program.”
The thing I’d highlight is that Dantonio is giving Winston a second chance, but notice that the other player Rexrode mentions but doesn’t name doesn’t get a third one. Presumably, that’s Charles Burrell, who was a somewhat heralded (3*) safety recruit from Detroit who’d previously been in the news for getting arrested after fleeing the campus police on foot and is no longer on the roster. Even though he didn’t get charged for the fight, he got bounced for his participation in this incident (and maybe other stuff we don’t know about).

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