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Linking Laconically isn't exactly over this one yet

Bonus non-laconical commentary on that last link: While hanging our heads obviously doesn't do any good, I really have a hard time seeing Saturday's outcome as a fluke.  Sure, the events of the final 30 seconds all broke in the Chippewas' favor.  But we'd been outplayed by a significant margin for the 59 minutes and 30 seconds that preceded those 30 seconds--outgained by 74 yards and outconverted by 8 first downs.  And when it mattered most, we couldn't stop them.  Central gained a total of 147 yards to reach the endzone on both of its final two non-onside-kick-commenced drives.  We were lucky to be in position to win the game with 30 seconds to go.

Maybe CMU's a top-40 team and this loss isn't quite as bad as it looks right now.  But they certainly didn't look like a top-40 team against Arizona a week ago.  And you have to beat top 40 teams at home to get to a New Years Day bowl.

Four weeks ago, the headline in this space was "Linking Laconically is wondering what it's good at."  The headline was (mostly) facetious, but it captured a lurking fear about this team: For all the pieces that seemed to be in place on paper (15 returning starters off a 9-win season, two starter-quality QBs, young/talented RBs, depth at TE/receiver and in the secondary, preseason conference defensive POTY, top-notch kicking specialists), it hasn't been clear (1) whether the team really had any oustanding non-Ringer components last season and (2) where the big improvement(s) would happen this season.

After 120 minutes of football in the 2009 season, those questions remain answered.  Kirk Cousins looks pretty darn efficient.  Greg Jones is still a tackling machine.  Blair Whie just keeps getting better.  Beyond that, there's just not much there to hang your hat on.

So cheer me up: What am I missing?  Is there hope?  Or was this all just a plot to suck me in to the MSU Football Heightened Expectations Vortex of Doom?

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I'll do my best...

Hopefully a few points to provide at least a little hope:

-At least the quarterback situation is pretty clear now. Dantonio may say otherwise, but he’s probably just trying to add some extra study time for Notre Dame.
-We were 1-1 at this point in the season last year.
-We’ve still been able to put points up, so if the defense ever does realy click, we’re not in the worst spot ever.

Okay, that’s all I got for now.

by Spartan-Football on Sep 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

There is a huge difference between last years 1-1 start and this year’s debacle. Losing a game on the west coast to a team in the top half of a BCS conference is quite a bit different from losing to a MAC team at home.

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Sep 13, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After a day of reflection...

I’m not willing to write off the season just yet. That performance indicates that we may have some trouble defending against spread teams, so my expectations for the U-M and NW (and possibly Illinois) games may be a little tempered now, but I still think we can hold our own vs. more straight up offenses.

Regardless, I have faith that MD can get at least some of these problems fixed. Spartan Stadium South awaits!

by NoPoSparty on Sep 14, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cosign

I still think 8-4; I just changed which teams we could beat and which ones we could lose to.

MtSt: W (1-0)
CMU: L (1-1)

ND: W (2-1)
Wisconsin: W (3-1)
Michigan: tossup (3.5-1.5) [yeah, I’m on the “Tate Forcier is the real deal” bandwagon too, until he proves otherwise]
Illinois: W (4.5-1.5) [fraud alert]
Northwestern: L (4.5-2.5)
Iowa: W (5.5-2.5) [thank you angry Iowa BLANK hating God]
Minnesota: W (6.5-2.5) [Adam Weber is Minnesota’s version of Brian Hoyer]
WMU: W (7.5-2.5) [exposed as a MAC non-contender after losing their entire secondary]
Purdue: tossup (8-3) [just how good is Oregon, anyway?]
Penn State: L (8-4)

by CPT Hoolie on Sep 14, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My current (hopefully excessively pessimistic) line of thinking

1) Preseason Vegas over/under on MSU wins was 7.5.
2) Losing to CMU knocks that number down by at least 0.75 or so, just based on the expected value of the single game.
3) Plus you have to downgrade the team’s odds of winning each of its remaining 10 games at least a bit.
4) Hard for me to go any higher than 6.5 in terms of expected wins during the regular season—even if you argue the original number should have been 8.0 due to the schedule.

Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope

In 2007, Michigan lost to Appy State and Oregon to start the season. They still finished 8-4 and beat Florida in a New Years’ Day bowl.

Not saying, I’m just sayin’.

by CPT Hoolie on Sep 14, 2009 6:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No hope whatsoever ...

…with how pathetic the experienced and supposedly talented secondary looked, with how little consistent pressure the front 4 were able to get on the QB, with the OL apparently forgetting how to run-block, with the defense forgetting how to tackle, with the receivers forgetting how to catch the dang ball, with the poor special teams plays, and with the slew of penalties … I say there is no hope for a New Year’s Day bowl. On the bright side, the Pizza! Pizza! bowl looks (slightly) more attainable.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Sep 14, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord....

…This place is starting to sound almost as manic-depressive as the Mgoblog.

by CPT Hoolie on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

… the word is “insufferable.” We might have gotten a little insufferable here thinking we’re either 9-3 or 4-8, or as if it was divine right that we’d be 9-3. Now that’s some mgoblog poster action for you.

We have some negative indicators, but $%*# happens. (Understatement award.)

As MSU football fans, we were already manic depressive. $%*# has happened to us a lot in the last several years.

by DP99 on Sep 14, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really telling when...

… the thing that was supposed to be your strength turns into a glaring weakness.

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Sep 14, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More likely ...

… it’s a case 4th Quarter Panic syndrome morphing into Sudden Onset Cynicism disorder, the only medicine being more-cowbell a win against ND this Saturday.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Sep 15, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking a bit...

…we ran the same sorta defense we always run against spread teams. LeFevour was able to make good decisions for most of the day and get it the open guy. CMU’s recievers were able to often make the first defender miss.

That defense worked fine against NW last year and for part of the ND game, after they started running a spreadish short, quick passing game. Neither of those teams could execute better than the MSU defense and the Spartans won both. The keys seem to be 1.) tackle better 2.) play a less precise and dialed in QB 3. control the ball on offense more, using more short passing if the running game isn’t doing it and 4. no melon farming penalties.

by witless chum on Sep 14, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with a lot of your points

but hopefully this game was more of a blip on the radar then a trend. We have too much returning talent on defense, so I feel confident that side of the ball will improve. However, something that will definitely be an issue for us all year is our run game. If we can’t run effectively against CMU and Montana State we won’t be able to do it against better defenses.

I said this in another thread, but due to our lack of run game we need to open up the offense more and Cousins needs to get the majority of the snaps at QB. He has a 70% career completion rate with and we have a talented group of WR’s and TE’s. I’m not saying abandom the run game, but can we see something closer to a 60/40 pass/run split?

by Stones1981 on Sep 14, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only silver lining

Is it looks like this may be the year of the mid-major. A few other major conference teams lost to them today (Colorado and Virginia spring to mind) and others were very competitive (Maryland and Wisconsin nearly lost to mid majors). Plus most of the Big Ten looks pretty average at best, so it’s looking like we don’t have to be that good to be 500 in conference, although a championship is pretty much out of the question.

Other than that, there’s not much hope. We all knew the offense would need some time to fire on all cylinders with some experience issues on the O line, an unsettled QB situation, and no experience or proven commodity at RB. So far our QB situation seems to be clarifying, but we’re still looking for a running back and the O line does not look all that good. They pass block OK but run blocking looks not so good.

The big surprise is how mediocre our defense is. Greg Jones is a stud but you need more than one better-than-average guy to field a good defense. The D line is meh – they generate no pass rush. We kind of figured that might be the case coming into the season. We could live with them being stout against the run but so-so in generating pressure if we had a great secondary, but so far the D backs have looked just as mediocre as the D line. They are better than the secondaries JLS fielded but so far they look only marginally better.

by TheCrestedHelm on Sep 14, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On the pass rush

Maybe there’s hope on that front given:

1) The DBs were allowing LeFevour to make short throws most of the game, so the pass rushers didn’t have a lot of time to get to him. Did others see the same thing?

2) The focus may have been more on containing LeFevour’s scrambling ability than trying to sack him?

If so, that would give us some hope against less mobile QBs.

Must . . . find . . . ray . . . of . . . hope.

Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Sep 14, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"If so, that would give us some hope against less mobile QBs"

Like Jimmy Clausen, for instance. But I’m not holding out too much hope about that — the d-line now hasn’t been able to generate any rush against a 1-AA team, and a MAC team with 4 new starters. How are we going to generate a rush against a team with pretty much the most experienced line in the country? (And even if experience doesn’t necessarily equal performance — and here it might not — ND’s line is still leaps and bounds better than either of the two we’ve seen thusfar.)

Rexrode put it simply, and best: the only time we can generate a pass rush is on the blitz. And that’s a major, major problem going forward.

"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
The Only Colors

by LVS on Sep 14, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pass rush, or lack thereof ...

 … has been a problem in both the first two games, which to me means it’s a personnel/skill issue, rather than a schematic issue. And having to blitz to get any sort of pressure on the QB means less support on the kind of short passes CMU used to march down the field, especially when the first tackler swings and misses on the big hit instead of wrapping up. Bad signs all around.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Sep 14, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright

You guys have pulled the curtain down over my ray of hope.

Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Sep 14, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would Izzo do?

He would make them change in the hallway, because they don’t deserve the new locker room. Remember that?

Seriously, Dantonio has to treat ND like a real game, not an exhibition. No more QB by quarter. IMO, he has to play Jeremiah, if only on alternating series, and put Decker back in, Denson is clueless.

ND has basically the same offense as last year (23-7), and LeFevour is better than
Clausen. We may need another Herb Haygood play.

by MSU1978 on Sep 14, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but ...

…nothing is going to get any better until the OL learns how to run-block. And Cousins/Nichol remembering that you can, in fact, throw a forward pass in the direction of a TE would be a big help, too.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to pile on, but

tackling fundamentals are also an issue for the defense, especially the secondary. I can’t count the number of times our Dbacks lowered their heads and put a shoulder into a guy rather than keeping their heads up and wrapping a guy up. The results were several glancing shoulder blows that failed to bring the CMU ball carrier down.

by TheCrestedHelm on Sep 14, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

That kind of offense forces the corners to make a ton of open-field tackles, which aren’t easy. Still, not good.

"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
The Only Colors

by LVS on Sep 14, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piling on ...

…the “dropsies” also have been an issue early this season, carrying over from last year. Furthermore, outside of Blair White, no one in the receiving corps has had enough sticky-tack on their gloves to be a reliable receiver. And, while the TEs have shown good pass-catching ability, they were incredibly under-utilized this past Saturday.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss. -- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street

by ChiSpartan on Sep 14, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

B.J. Cunningham...

…has actually played very well this year, IMO. He’s gotten wide open deep in both games and hasn’t dropped a ball. (knocking furiously) He seems to have worked his tail off and gets it as a redshirt soph. Most of the pass dropping has been by Keshawn Martin, who we might want to use more on end arounds, to try to loosen things up for the running game.

by witless chum on Sep 14, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About a quarter of the way finished with the game review

I haven’t looked at the full game yet, but in the first quarter the D blitzed the SAM and MIKE backers a lot. I initially thought this was to pressure LeFevour but it never achieved that; now I believe they crashed the gaps at the snap to prevent LeFevour from taking off on QB draws. This had the negative effect of removing 2 LBs from underneath coverage, where CMU picked us apart all day.

by CPT Hoolie on Sep 14, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Coaching and improvement

Two things really stand out from this game, and neither is making me feel particularly great about the remainder of the season:

- Our defensive scheme has been mentioned several times, both in what it was trying to do and how it failed. My question is, when it became very clear that CMU was going to go for that 5 yard pass every play, which both exploited the cushion our corners were giving and negated our blitz packages, why did we not adjust to this and try something different? We kept going with the exact same thing for virtually the entire game, even when it was abundantly clear it was not working.

- We had much of the same issue with the offensive side of the ball; we just kept trying the exact same thing we had tried and failed at doing previously. I could almost see the coaches in a huddle saying “well, gosh, running up the middle just HAS to work one of these times, right?”

At what point does Dantonio read our coordinators and position coaches the riot act and let them know that this sort of crap is not acceptable?

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Sep 14, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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