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Tom Herzog is a statistical monster

Bullet point preface:

  • No, I'm not writing about basketball just because the football team lost a second consecutive contest in soul-crushing manner.
  • But it's probably a factor.
  • This hurt.
  • I mean, REALLY hurt.
  • Yes, I've been sucked just a bit into the college football blogging vortex.
  • (I blame this, to a certain extent, on the void that's been left in my life by my momentous decision to quit fantasy football cold turkey this year.)
  • BUT:
  • TheOnlyColors.com is and will be THE blogosphere destination to talk about Michigan State University basketball.
  • So there.
  • Eight weeks from now, we're playing Gonzaga!

OK, back to the point of this post.  Tom Herzog is a statistical monster.  The numbers:

OffRtg 2pt% FT% FT Rate OReb% DReb% Blk%
2007-08 107.4 42.9 50.0 28.5 15.1 9.7 10.2
2008-09 140.0 60.0 57.1 140.0 10.8 29.1 18.2

The second row of data contains some phenomenal tempo-free indicators.  Sadly, they came in just 32 minutes of play spread across 16 game appearances.  For his career, Herzog has now played exactly 100 minutes of basketball in an MSU uniform.  He has played double-digit minutes in just one of his 29 career appearances (a 37-point win over Penn State in 2008).

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The last two seasons, it's been easy to lump Herzog together with Idong Ibok in the category of "really tall guys who don't get off the bench unless (1) we're up by 25 or (2) we need someone to absorb a couple fouls."  But, really they're two different kinds of tall guys.  Ibok was a long, and fairly strong, shot blocker who never really looked comfortable actually, you know, playing basketball.  Herzog, meanwhile, is a guy who's shown some basketball skills in his limited appearances but just hasn't been able to put on enough weight to deal with Division 1 post players for more than a few minutes at a time.

It's now been three years since Herzog set foot on campus.  It's easy to forget what his résumé looked like at that point:

Averaged 17.3 points, 9.5 rebounds and 5.3 blocks as a senior at Flint Powers Catholic High School, serving as team captain while playing for Coach Jack Pratt ... Finished second in the voting for the 2006 Hal Schram Mr. Basketball Award ... Detroit Free Press Dream Team honoree and The Detroit News All-State Class B member ... 2006 Associated Press Class B All-State selection ... Holds school records for career blocks (400) and blocks in a game (15) ... Averaged 17.0 points, 9.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks as a junior ... 2005 Associated Press Class B All-State selection ... Earned 2005 Class B All-State accolades from The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press ... 2005 first-team all-conference selection ... Led Powers Catholic to a 21-3 record and a district championship, losing in the regional semifinals ... Shot 69 percent from the floor

You don't get voted runner-up for Mr. Basketball without having some decent basketball-playing abilities.  And, while you certainly don't want to read too much into statistics from less than two hours of time on the court (mostly against opposing bench warmers), the tempo-free numbers above hint at the fact that Tom Herzog can do some things with a basketball.

The stars would seem to be aligning for Herzog to become a part of the playing rotation this year as a redshirt junior:

  • Goran Suton, Marquise Gray, and Idong Ibok have all graduated.
  • Neither of the team's two returning big men are of the super tall, shot-blocking variety.
  • Herzog appears to have finally put on some muscle.

In projecting where the post player minutes come from this season, it's easy to get more excited about the two incoming freshmen (Garrick Sherman and Derrick Nix) than it is to get inspired by someone we've seen for the past three seasons, mainly in pregame warm-ups.  But don't sleep on Tom Herzog ("The General"?).  After all, we all know you can't teach height.  But you can add weight.  And there may just be a real, live basketball player under that new-found weight.

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C’mon KJ, baby. You know I never meant to hurt you! It’s all about the Green love. Now, it’s time for a 2011 recruiting round-up! Possibly even a hotboard? Huh? huh?

My guess, trying to predict Izzo, is that Herzog will actually start to begin the season. A little out there but that’s my honest prediction. Whether he quickly gives way to Nix or Sherman, or an undersized frontcout with Morgan and Roe (or perhaps Green and Roe, with Raymar on the wing), I don’t know. But I bet Izzo gives him a real, real shot.

BTW, Carlton Brundidge? Did we miss out a beast of a player who will show-up all those who say he lacks a position at the high major level? Is he a Draymond Green of the wing? Or was he merely a Plan B1 after PLP, Anderson, Kearney, McCune, and all the other PG/wing talent? Time will tell. MSU will be seeing a lot of him.

by intrpdtrvlr on Sep 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Alright

I’ll go ahead and think of it as “tough love.”

I’m afraid that, even when I’m in full-fledged basketball blogging mode, a hotboard is outside my range of knowledge/interests. Perhaps we can get a reader volunteer to produce one? (Hint, hint.)

All you’re getting out of me is more tempo-free scatter plots.

Cheer for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Sep 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d be willing to do a text version. I don’t know about photos and such or HTML formatting, but I could help put together the basic info.

by intrpdtrvlr on Sep 23, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Herzog is gonna be better then people want to give him credit. I could see him starting. As far as CB he has been a plan B guy from the start. PLP and Anderson will be the true gems of the class.

"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Sep 23, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Herzog will get every opportunity to start

I’m not sure how much bulk he’s added – that team picture isn’t exactly a close up. We do know that Izzo’s system takes a little time to master, so assuming he’s in shape to play major minutes I see him getting a legitimate shot at being a starter this year.

He’s been a good program guy and his tempo free stats look impressive. As noted, the big question is whether those stats will look as good against starter-level competition. If he can give us quality minutes it will be interesting to see what Izzo does with a true 7 footer with offensive skills. We’ve never really had one of those before.

I really don’t want to go small at the center position because we’d give up a lot of effective height on the defensive end. I think optimally we’ll be able to play one of the new bigs as a backup to Herzog, and have Green operate as a 6th man spelling both Morgan and Roe – he’d get plenty of playing time that way and we would still have a lot of size on the court at all times.

by TheCrestedHelm on Sep 24, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Yayhoopscontentyay!

That’s how I ended up here in the first place, despite being a football fan first and foremost.

KJ, think of basketball blogging and football blogging as your kids. They’re different, unique, and you have room in your heart for both equally.

by CPT Hoolie on Sep 24, 2009 1:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

No! No! They're not Equal!

KJ is the only hoops first guy on this blog! I insist he continue to put hoops #1. Besides, to use your sibling analogy, hoops is defiinitely a gifted child. Football is flirting with the short bus.

by TheCrestedHelm on Sep 24, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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