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MSU in the Race for the Roses: Two Legs to Go

Iowa's now-annual upset loss to Northwestern decomplexifies the outlook for MSU down the stretch.  This table is much simpler than the last one:

What We WantWhy We Want It
MSU wins out (Purdue, @PSU) DUH
Ohio State loses a game (@Iowa, Michigan) The Granddaddy
of Them All
Wisconsin loses a game (@Michigan, NW) Nifty BCS Game
Consolation Prize

 

Yes, this means we want our friends in Ann Arbor to win the next two weeks.  Deal with it.  If ever there were a season in which we shouldn't care what Michigan's fate is, it's this one.  I'm more than happy to see them get bumped up from the Insight to the Gator or Outback Bowl if it means a trip to Pasadena (or Miami/New Orleans) for us.

Of course, if Iowa can harness its post-Evanston angst on Saturday and knock off the Buckeyes in Iowa City, then all we care about is MSU taking care of its own business.  The first piece of that business looks highly doable.  Despite Ryan Kerrigan's best efforts to single-handedly beat Michigan yesterday, Purdue simply doesn't have anything resembling a healthy Big Ten-level quarterback at this point.  The second piece of business continues to look more daunting than it once did.  Matt McGloin's second-half pick-six fest notwithstanding, he gives Penn State a legitimate passing threat to go with the Evan Royster-led running game.  McGloin looks mortal now, but he will severely test the MSU secondary in two weeks.

The early line is MSU by 23 this Saturday.  Sagarin currently says MSU should be a 5.5-point favorite going into Happy Valley. That goes down to 4 points if you use the PREDICTOR ratings.  I expect it'll end up in the 1-2 point range, which is basically pick 'em.

While the Iowa loss was to MSU's benefit, it only helped a little--basically meaning MSU can go to the Rose Bowl in the scenario where Iowa beats Ohio State and Wisconsin loses a game.  Overall, SpartanDan's projections now have MSU's Rose Bowl odds at 24%, down from 38% last week.  That's largely a function of being one week closer to the MSU-OSU-Wisconsin three-way tie/SHAFT scenario playing out.  The projections say MSU has a 13% chance of losing one of its last two games, a 10% chance of going to a non-Rose BCS game, and a 52% chance of SHAFT.  Those numbers, are unfortunately, a little on the optimistic side since Dan's ratings don't know that Penn State (1) has a different quarterback than it did a few weeks ago and (2) will be playing MSU in front of 100,000 screaming fans dressed in white (so make that a lot on the optimistic side, assuming you buy my point-spread thinking for the PSU game above).

Emotionally, we're in a bit of a football lull here.  By the time the team takes the field on Saturday, it will have been 28 days since the comeback win over Northwestern.  Since then, it's been: bad blowout, good blowout, bye week.  It's time to starting getting geeked back up about the 2010 Spartan football campaign (and this is coming from the in-house basketball geek).

Rose Bowl or bust.*

*The Orange/Sugar bowls are acceptable forms of "bust."  (The Fiesta Bowl is OK, too, but is both a less exotic and a less likely destination.)

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by BoilerTMill on Nov 14, 2010 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

awesome.

i’ll join the ryan kerrigan for big ten DPOY bandwagon.

by robb. on Nov 15, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll also join

Kerrigan has been a beast, which I think is even more impressive due to his team’s lack of overall success. Not looking forward to him sacking Cousins.

HammerAndRails, please request on our behalf that Kerrigan be likewise gentle this Saturday.

The sideline is always greener at MSU.

by Green 96 on Nov 15, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I can totally see Michigan pulling off the upset against Wisconsin

There’s just something about the East side of Lake Michigan that stops them cold. I mean, Wisconsin managed to lose to Michigan in ’08, a team that only also beat Eastern and Minnesota iirc and lost to Toledo.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Nov 14, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

Id rather

trust in Iowa to dispatch OSU. I think we will win out, although I guarentee that the Penn State game is going to be gut wrenching at times. But I like the odds of us and Wisconson tying and us winning the head to head than Michigan beating both teams.

Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!

by Loneytunes on Nov 15, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Looney R.

Iowa crushed us after blowing the Wisconsin game. I think they have the D that will frustrate Pryor into bad decisions.

As far as rooting for Meechigan, some reference to “cold dead fingers” would apply.

by MSU1978 on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

We would only need Michigan to beat one team

to go to a BCS game. Am I the only one who would view going to the Sugar or Orange bowl just as highly as the Rose bowl? I mean, a BCS game is a BCS game.

by Arro on Nov 16, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

There's something special about The Granddaddy Of Them All

That plus it’s on New Year’s instead of a midweek night, so I’d actually be able to go without taking time off work.

It’s not like any of us would scoff at a Sugar or Orange Bowl invite (and going to the Orange would probably mean a much easier team to play against – VT instead of TCU/Boise/LSU). But growing up in Big Ten country, you dream of seeing your team holding roses in their teeth.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 16, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

While our projection against PSU is probably optimistic

I think OSU’s against Iowa is just as severely affected. Here’s to the Hawks doing us a favor and putting everything in our hands after that.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 14, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

A big thank you

to Pat Fitzgerald and the Wildcats. Now it’s time for MSU to take care of business. Go Green!

by TMadison25 on Nov 15, 2010 7:48 AM CST reply actions  

That actually didn't help us much, directly at least.

What it does do is:
1) Make it so we no longer need Wisconsin to win out to avoid a two-team MSU-Iowa tie
2) (hopefully) Make Iowa really ticked off so they clobber OSU.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

In this venue, I must be the only one...

I know there was another thread where we spent a bunch of time depeating the meaning of the Rose Bowl in the BCS ear (and beyond), so I don’t want to go too far down that path here, but I would be delighted with any of the following outcomes*;

MSU wins out, and wins a quality bowl game that isn’t that National Title, finishing the season 12-1, something that no Spartan team has ever done!

MSU losses @ Penn State to finish the regular season 10-2 and wins a quality bowl game to finish 11-2, something that no Spartan team has ever done!

Thinks I wouldn’t like:

MSU wins out, gets to the national title game and loses to Oregon 72-9 becoming a historic joke.

I realize that this forum isn’t for those who believe anything other than the koolaide drinkin’, cornbread eatin’ best about Spartan Football, but really, does anyone think we’d beat Auburn or Oregon? How many people think we’d beat Alabama or Ohio State?

*There are other scenario’s not mentioned, but these are the ones that make the point that we should be careful how blinded we get about how good we are.

by Chris1992 on Nov 15, 2010 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

Addendum

OSU isn’t losing to a UM team whose marque win is an overtime play no defense track meet with barely 500 Illinois.

No one is losing to a Dan Persa-less Northwestern (out for the season in case you missed it).

Maybe Iowa hangs their season on the OSU game and wins, but isn’t OSU hanging their season on the same game as they try and win another BT Title and play in another quality bowl game?

by Chris1992 on Nov 15, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

There are plenty of folks who have been critical of the football team when appropriate. Personally given all that they have accomplished this season I don’t have too many complaints.

As for your question. I wouldn’t pick us to beat any of the teams you mentioned. But it isn’t out of the realm of possibility either. Did you watch Oregon struggle mightily with a pretty mediocre Cal team on Saturday? Alabama got beat by two touchdowns by a South Carolina team that has occasionally looked great, but also lost to Kentucky. The point is these are college kids who’s performance can go up and down from week to week. If MSU played Oregon or Auburn, etc, and played like we did against Iowa or in the first half against Northwestern or Illinois we would be in deep trouble. But if the Spartans that played against Wisconsin or for 3 quarters against Michigan showed up I believe they could hang in there.

by trivialstuff16 on Nov 15, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

If anything, I downplayed our chances go getting to Pasadena above, right?

Short of losing to Purdue or absolutely collapsing in both Happy Valley and the team’s bowl game, the season will be a major success regardless of what happens from here on out. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hope for the best.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 15, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

This is not KA (Koolaiders Anonymous)

I’m not sure where you get the idea that TOC is a forum for Koolaid drinkers. If anything, I would argue that the moderators and most posters are anti-Koolaid drinking (possibly members of MAKD – Moderators Against Koolaid Drinking). Always hoping your team wins (which I hope is the case for every Spartan) is a lot different than being blind to reality.

And your “things I wouldn’t like” argument is irrelevant – even if we win out, there’s no way we’ll be moving up 10 spots in the BCS to play for the title.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Nov 15, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

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