2013 Michigan Point Guards and Recruiting Round-Up
[Note: This post emerged from numerous exchanges with Josh (intrpdtrvlr) so rather than try to identify exactly which items to credit him with I'll give him a global HT for his help and expertise.]
This post will focus on the amazing class of 2013 point guards in the state of Michigan and the dilemmas they may pose for Michigan State's recruiting class that year. It can also serve as the new general recruiting thread for posting any questions, comments or information on these topics. I'll be posting some links and tidbits myself in the comments section after this post goes up.
Things have definitely slowed down on the MSU basketball recruiting front. Aside from the intriguing Gary Harris situation - and barring anything unexpected happening on signing day in two weeks - there's nowhere to go save onward to 2013 and beyond. As TOC's recruiting guru intrpdtrvlr has noted, 2013 looks a bit different from the three years preceding it. With all the slots in 2011 and 2012 having been quickly filled (or even overfilled, depending on Harris), scholarships for 2013 could be pretty tight. Right now, without projecting any early departures, two scholarships would be available, the ones currently in use by Derrick Nix and Garrick Sherman. Adreian Payne could leave early for the NBA, but at this point it's also possible that a Garrick Sherman redshirt year would cancel this out, so it's a decent working assumption that only 2 scholarships will be available for the class of 2013.
In addition to the scholarship crunch, there are positional coverage considerations as well. Unlike Thad Matta or John Beilein, Tom Izzo has traditonally wanted a classic point guard to run his offense and distribute the ball. For the last 3 years that has been primarily Kalin Lucas. Presumably Korie Lucious will take on that role for his senior season in 2011. Travis Trice arrives that year as well and will likely spend it learning the ropes as Lucious' backup. No new "pure" point guards are due to arrive in 2012, although some have projected this as a possible role for Denzel Valentine. At the moment, however, he appears to be more of a wing who is also a creator/distributor rather than a guy who can both play and defend the 1 spot. That means that by 2013, there may be a definite need for an "apprentice" point guard who can learn for a couple of years (or less, depending on how Trice works out) before taking the reins.
Of course Izzo could conceivably wait till 2014 to fill that slot and still have a one-year apprenticeship for his choice - and one might think that's his line of thought considering the current list of 2013 players of interest, most of them wings: Jabari Parker, Collin Hartman, Steven Haney, Basil Smotherman, Zak Irvin, Tony Farmer, Bo Ziegler, V.J. Beachem and Cha Cha Tucker (PG). But, the 2013 class as a whole looks like a bonanza for guards and, in particular, for point guards, and, even more in particular, for point guards from the state of Michigan, traditionally the primary source of Izzo's recruits. Cha Cha Tucker has already been covered fairly well on this blog - and some would even consider him a lock for MSU - but he may not even be the best point guard prospect in Michigan. What follows is a look at the top 2013 point guards in Michigan, whose names you are likely to be hearing a lot more of in the coming years. The amazing thing is that all these guys are from the state of Michigan and it's highly likely that 4-5 of them will get high D1 or even MSU-caliber offers. The way it looks now, it's going to be hard to pass some of these guys up but, conversely, the scholarship crunch may make it tougher than usual for local stars to find a place in Izzo's program.
Player details after the jump. The players are listed in completely subjective order by roughly how much buzz linking them to MSU there is.
[Note: Sorry about the links instead of inline images. I try to make my posts more visually interesting than this but we're trying very hard not to run afoul of any copyright issues.]
Charles (Cha Cha) Tucker, Jr.
Tucker's selection to the USA Basketball Developmental National Team mini-camp (the only player from Michigan selected), his MSU connections (he's the son of Magic Johnson's advisor, Dr. Charles Tucker) and his presence at both the Notre Dame game and Midnight Madness all place him in the position of highest prominence among the 2013 class at this point. There's no absolute consensus about who the best point guard in the class is, but Tucker seems to be the standard against whom the others are measured. The 5'11" 160# point guard is starting his sophomore season at Lansing Eastern High School (where he is a teammate of another 2013 MSU player-of-interest, Steven Haney). He plays his AAU ball (like Adreian Payne, Chris Harrison-Docks and other MSU-involved players) for powerhouse All-Ohio Red. His reputation is as a pure point guard, with a high basketball IQ, good handle and skills at driving and distributing. His passing skills draw especially glowing reviews, as does his overall maturity. Lansing area hoops maven Sam Hosey listed him as the number one prospect in Lansing back in February, ahead of Haney, LaDontae Henton, Alex Gauna, Jon Horford and Denzel Valentine. He seems like the classic Izzo floor general but the weakest part of his game at this point is probably his jumpshot, which is reported to be shaky beyond 15 feet but improving.
A picture I posted earlier of Tucker and fellow MSU target Jabari Parker at the mini-camp is here.
Denzel Watts
Watts is a 6'0" 175# point guard from Carmen-Ainsworth in Flint. In January Scout's Paul Carmona called Watts "the best player in the state" ($) and he definitely has his supporters in the comparison with Tucker. He has made unofficial visits to MSU and is definitely on Izzo's radar. Watts, who is also a football player, drew a comparison from Carmona to fellow Flint native Mateen Cleaves. Joe Stapleton of UM Hoops saw Watts at the Great Lakes Summer Championship in July and had this to say
Watts reminded me a little bit of a shorter but much more athletic Denzel Valentine, the way he uses pump-fakes and space-making moves to create his own shot. He works well with contact and knows how to draw it. He didn't shoot great, but his shot looks smooth.
Watts has heard from several Big Ten schools, including Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue, as well as USC.
Here's a photo of Watts guarding one-time MSU prospect and crosstown rival Patrick Lucas-Perry.
Monte (Man-Man) Morris
The first comment you usually hear about Morris is that he's small. He's a 5'11" 130-pounder from Flint Beecher. His size hasn't stopped him from making a big impression on observers. Nolan Shulman of FlagrantFouls.com saw him at the ESPN Super Soph Camp in Cleveland in July and reported the following:
He lacks size and strength for the position, but makes up for it with toughness and changing speeds. He had the best overall performance that we saw. Monte is a one man fast break who makes excellent decisions going full speed. He finished at the rim, made shots from mid range, and even connected on a couple threes. His ball handling is superb, and he's a shot maker in the lane. He's more of an undersized combo than a true lead guard and the game we took in had a very Monta Ellis type look to it.
Michigan hoops guru Steve Bell described his performance at the Great Lakes Summer Championship:
Played beyond his years. He controlled games with the ball in his hands, and picked and chose when to create his own offense (of which Morris is mighty capable). You couldn't have asked for any more from Morris in the championship game, as he didn't budge against Pride's first-half onslaught, then was damn near perfect in leading the comeback. Literally perfect from the line in the final -- 9-for-9 free throws. Morris is a high-major recruit for sure, similar to Indianapolis junior Yogi Ferrell.
Pretty high praise. Some prefer Morris to Tucker, though they seem to have different games. Both were reportedly on hand for the Western Michigan football game in September and I wouldn't be surprised if Morris had made other visits. He's drawn interest from at least MSU, UoM and CMU.
Here's a picture of him from the Super Soph camp.
Derrick Walton
Walton also has his supporters as the best sophomore point guard in the state. He's 5'11" 160# from Chandler Park Academy in Harper Woods and ESPN describes him as a "scoring point guard". Here's there full take on him from a year ago:
Derrick is a talented and skilled scoring point guard. He has great natural scoring ability and is very confident. He is a very good slasher that is able to penetrate at will. He is very good off the dribble and can create for himself and others. Derrick has a solid mid range game and has a good pull up jumper. He has range on his shot to 19 feet. He has some explosion on the offensive end and you can see he will be a force on that end of the court. Walton is a decent defender at this point with a chance to really improve with his length and athletic ability.
Next Generation Sports has a feature on him from more recently. They report that Beilein, Izzo and assistants from Purdue, Temple, Oakland and UD have all been to see him at open workouts. The article focuses on his drive and work ethic, both of which would stand him in good stead with Izzo. He also runs cross-country to help with his conditioning.
Here is a good video of Walton leading his high school team at the point.
Finally, two players who would probably be listed as wings but who might project as point guards in the future. Both are big-time prospects in the Michigan 2013 class.
Elbert (E.C.) Matthews
Matthews plays for Romulus High School and both his size and position appear to be the subject of some debate. I've seen his height listed at anywhere from 6'1" to 6'4" and his position as PG and SG. The words most used when describing his game are 'explosive' and 'athletic'. As of late June, Sam Webb of Scout ($) still considered him a point guard and praised him for unselfishness and not dominating the ball despite his obvious athleticism.
Matthews may already have the size that pushes him past the point guard spot at the next level. I'm sure his sophomore season will begin to clear that up. Suffice it to say that for now he is one of the top prospects in the state and has significant skills at the 'handler' and 'distributor' roles (see my previous post on these offensive roles).
Dylan over at UM Hoops has some video of the left-handed Matthews at Michigan Team Camp.
Dontel Highsmith
Highsmith, from Dowagiac Union High School, is 6'2" 175# and is listed by some sources as a small forward, rather than a guard. He has a reputation as a slasher and driver who is also an aggressive defender and rebounder. He already has very good size and uses it to his advantage on the defensive end, especially when guarding usually smaller guards. Like many at his age, his perimeter shot apparently still needs some work. Steve Bell considers Highsmith a top 10 player overall in Michigan for 2013. Sam Hosey got a good look at Highsmith during an AAU tournament at Fort Wayne in May and had this take:
Positives: He is put together. He honestly wouldn't look out of place on a college roster right now. Pretty impressive athletically. He's fast AND quick and he can get up a bit. GREAT handle. Saw him bust out a couple of cross-overs on Big Ten recruits and leave guys looking as he blew by. General ability to get to the rim and finish was impressive. Again, he was doing it against size and talent, so that's a legit 14.
Negatives: -He hit a couple of jumpers but he missed a bunch. Needs to continue to work on his shot. The release reminds me a little bit of Dwaun Anderson's, including the rain-inducing arc he gets on it. - Though he's been discussed as a point guard, I didn't see much of that. He's nowhere near the floor general or distributor that, say Cha Cha Tucker is. Great handle, but I didn't see him create much for others. Thing is, I saw enough to suggest to me that he could easily emerge as a combo guard, so it might not be the end of the world if he doesn't become a true point.
Oddly, I haven't been able to come up with any good pictures or video of Highsmith, and I'm not going to link to his Facebook page, so you'll just have to take my word for it that he exists.
And as if all this weren't enough, here's a names to watch list of other guards in extremely deep class at point guard for the state in the class of 2013: Trajan Seay (Brother Rice, Bloomfield Hills), Jonathan Williams (Southfield-Lathrup), D'Andre Johnson (Detroit Cass Tech), Richie Lewis (Flint Northern), Khalil Fielder (Detroit Pershing) and Braden Werley (Zeeland West).
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what about
football reruiting? we need a guru for this!!!!
id love to know what arnett and doran grant are thinking. or how were looking.
I can tell you one thing DeAnthony Arnett is thinking...
“Wow, messing with people via twitter is a blast!” Beyond that, I can’t help you.
Also, tbone, from Thursday's LSJ
http://www.greenandwhite.com/article/20101104/GW01/11040341
Now it appears Arnett, one of the Spartans’ top remaining targets for their 2011 class, is ready to decide. He’ll announce his decision Nov. 11, according to recruiting web sites Rivals.com and Scout.com.
Arnett has narrowed his choices down to MSU, USC and Tennessee.
Izzo's approach
Assuming Izzo wants a 2013 PG*, I’m really curious to see how he plays it.
I see roughly three ways it might go:
1. Izzo and staff identify their preferred guy early, offer, and focus on him.
2. MSU sees multiple players as comparable and offers numerous individuals early while being content to get any one.
3. Same with a different conclusion – Izzo feels multiple guys are comparable and is therefore very stingy with offers and waits into the junior year season and beyond to see who distinguishes himself.
Regardless, I’m going to enjoy keeping my ear to the ground for this one.
*Taking a PG, though seemingly irresistible, is not a slam-dunk. Grabbing at least one big man seems like a necessity and Izzo may be left with only one spot and want one of these wings/combo. If he passes, your 2013 PGs are Appling (Sr.) and Trice (Jr). Then, 2014 is Trice and a freshman. We always talk about timetables and I wonder if Trice’s senior year and next summer will influence this call.
Sidenote #2: I think Jabari Parker may arrive in college as a 6’8"-6’9" PF instead of the 6’6"-6’7" wing he is now. That might solve some problems.
I say
That Parker is a top priority as is a Big. The front line loses a lot of depth while the guard position is chock full of talent. Looking at it I could even see Valentine redshirting just due to the fact that he’ll be trying to compete with Dawson, Kearney, Anderson and probably (unless he grows more) Kaminski. If this happens, and even if it doesnt, we can surely wait until 2014 since based on what Ive seen Valentines best attribute is his ability to distribute which leads me to believe were going to see him at the 1 a lot.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
Good points
I have to believe that between 2011 and 2012, at least one incoming wing is redshirting. If Byrd takes it off this year, you’ll be adding four wings next yseason alone. It wouldn’t floor me if Kearney or Anderson took a redshirt either.
No doubt 2013 needs a least one guy with good size to handle the post. MSU may end up losing Sherman, Nix, and Payne all in one offseason.
I definitely see Anderson
as a possible redshirt. I doubt Kearney will just because he has more ball handling ability than Dwaun. Dawson and Kearney seem more versatile to me so I see them being able to contribute immediately. Plus if Anderson redshirts I think it definitely raises the possibility of Valentine doing so as well.
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yeah...
But Anderson has quicks and athleticism and if there’s one thing that allows an inexperienced player to catch up to a higher and more difficult level more quickly, it’s above average, God-given athletcisim.
Ball-handling and all, I just see Kearney having a slightly more difficult time adjusting to the speed, size, strength and complexity of the college game.
by LickSplickidy on Nov 4, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
another point...
and with Summers leaving after this season, I think it would beneficial to the rotation to have another uber-athlete available at the SG position. I really like the thought of having the above-the-rim skills of Dawson and Anderson coming off the bench. And hell who knows, Dawson might even start.
by LickSplickidy on Nov 4, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
2011 Starting Line-Up
Never too early to speculate about this, Lick. I’ve been thinking about it myself.
A million ways it could break, but let’s assume one thing for a moment – let’s assume Green is not starting as a wing. If that’s the case, you have Lucious, Appling, Green, and Roe as your probable first four. Who is the next wing player? Honestly, I think it should be Thornton unless Dawson beats him out. Thornton’s experience in the program should be enough to give him the edge over both Kearney and Anderson. If it’s not, then that’s a shame. So yeah, I think Dawson starting as a freshman (especially as the bigger wing next to Appling) is a legit possibility, but I expect AT to fight hard for it.
Seems like the word from he and his father is that his recruitment will be on the longer side
It’s the second time I’ve heard something about taking his time. Of course, that can change in an instant (see: Dawson, Branden).
Yes
The interesting twist I’ve seen on that is that he wants to keep coaches coming to his games so they will see his teammates as well. Sort of cool but sort of, well, not. Here is an example. He’s quite definite about not deciding until he’s a senior. As you note, things can change.
Might work out well for MSU
By his senior year he could be the recipient of that suddenly available third MSU scholarship spot in addition to two players already committed.
That doesnt bug me too much
I dont think anyones doing this, but even so I dont interpret this as any sort of “Parker leaning toward Illinois” rather it was just the closest school for him to visit for one night.
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Mike Shaw
Can’t remember if we posted this already, but Mike Shaw, long a prime MSU candidate for incoming big man in 2011, committed to Illinois last week.
Highsmith
This young man is from my hometown. Will try and get some pictures and more info on him in the next few days.
by Jdoyle84 on Nov 3, 2010 6:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Under the school of thought that
Sherman won’t redshirt and utilize 5 years worth of scholarship. This would defintely leave at least two for 2013(as far as we can tell) and would be very hard for any student to adjust to after decent minutes as a true freshman I think Izzo doesn’t take the chance of effecting Sherman’s confidence like that………….. I am almost leary of Gauna redshirting. But I just imagine him having 5 years to mature, I think he could make Suton’s Senior season look average. Getting Gauna for a fifth year would then still leave 3 scholarships for 2014 and probably be better for the program than an incoming freshman big.
Sherman
Izzo said he would have started if not for the concussion so I have to think the question has become not whether to redshirt Sherman or Gauna but whether Izzo wants them both available. My guess is that Sherman plays this year.
Tend to agree with overall conclusion
but wouldn’t read too much into the “would have started” thing. Izzo tends to use the final starting spot in weird ways to motivate/encourage players.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Nov 4, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Gasaway likes to refer to “ceremonial” starters for MSU, which is what Sherman and Nix were much of last year, even though we all knew Green was “really” the 5th starter.
Sure, sure
but is your “ceremonial starter” in your first exhibition game a guy you’re pretty sure is about to redshirt? I’m not as sure on that one.
I'm doubtful Sherman redshirts either at this point
But, if I wanted to see him in game action before making that call, which is why they changed the redshirt rule for exhibition games, I believe, I probably would start him.

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