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Michigan 5, Michigan State 0: Rock Bottom?

Ha ha, j/k lol.

So: MSU traveled down to Ann Arbor on Saturday to participate in the largest, and certainly one of the most hyped, events in the history of college hockey.  And very few Michigan State fans followed the hockey team down 96 and 23 because nearly anyone who paid the slightest bit of attention to the fortunes of the two programs involved had a pretty good idea how this one was going to turn out.  To wit: not very well for the men in Green.

And so it went: MSU was crushed 5-0 in front of 113,000 fans who at once reveled in the grandeur of the event and cursed the fact that only one of the teams truly belonged on such a stage.  Contrast this with the last time these two teams played in an event of this magnitude: the 2001 Cold War was played at an extremely high level by two star-laden teams at the top of the national rankings.  (MSU featured future NHL stars Ryan Miller, Jim Slater, Duncan Keith and John-Michael Liles, among others.)  This year's Spartan team, by contrast, languishes at the foot of the CCHA standings and has already been swept by Western Michigan this season.

I did not watch the game on Saturday; it was televised on FSD and I no longer live in Michigan.  Had it gone better than expected I would have downloaded a torrent yesterday.  This is obviously not a decision I regret.  Consequently, I have nothing to add in terms of what actually transpired on Saturday other than it almost certainly was the low point in the entire history of Michigan State hockey.  MSU stands on the precipice of their second losing season in three years and is a virtual lock to miss the NCAA tournament for the third consecutive year.  The spectacular faceplant in Ann Arbor is merely the most visible and most embarrassing symptom of a program in swift decline since a 2007 national championship that was fantastically sweet but at this point cannot be regarded as anything other than a monumental fluke.

With that in mind, I'm doing something we've never done before at TOC: calling for the replacement of a MSU head coach.  Rick Comley inherited from Ron Mason one of the finest collegiate hockey programs and, in his seven-plus years as head coach, he has already missed the NCAA Tournament three times, with the fourth miss on the way.  More than 1/4th of all Division One hockey teams make the tournament every season.  It's hard to say this without sounding like a sports talk radio caller, but failing to make the tournament half the time at a school with the tradition and resources of Michigan State is,  standing alone, a fireable offense.

But there's so much more: under Comley, MSU has won no regular season CCHA titles, and only one CCHA Tournament title.  We have clearly been surpassed by Miami and Notre Dame in the conference pecking order, and can be considered, at best, a member of the CCHA's second-tier.  MSU's 17-season sellout streak ended under Comley's watch, and the Munn Ice Arena--long an embarrassingly quiet venue--has become even less intimidating in recent seasons.  Fans--and more importantly, students--simply don't have patience for losing teams playing boring hockey, particularly with good basketball being played across the street.

The recruiting has been poor, and Comley has struggled to bring in players to fit the type of forecheck-intensive game he prefers.  And the situation is poised to become even worse once a Big Ten hockey conference begins play, as MSU will be playing and recruiting against Minnesota and Wisconsin in addition to more traditional foes.  The list of horribles could go on and on, and this is all notwithstanding the attack on Steve Kampfer two seasons ago, which was, I think, handled relatively well by the coaching staff but is nonetheless a continuing black mark on the program.

In short, it's time for Comley to go.  The national championship season was marvelous, but stands as a clear outlier in relation to the rest of Comley's body of work in East Lansing.  There is the little matter that Comley is under contract until 2014, thanks to a series of ever-more-inexplicable extensions awarded by Mark Hollis.  No matter.  MSU hockey is at the lowest point in recent program history, and it's hard seeing how anything will improve substantially with Comley at the helm.  A new face is needed to restore the program to its former standing and ensure that Saturday's fiasco doesn't become a recurring embarrassment.

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Such a sad state MSU’s hockey program is in. As I said in the game thread, somehow they have managed to alienate BOTH the students and the old timers sitting quietly in seats. Usually, you would think that one or the other would be slowly driven away by the culture of the other; the old timers driven out by the brash and loud students, and the students by the boring and quiet old timers.

Comley has managed to make a program that is neither exciting, nor good. If MSU doesn’t get hot during tourney time in the national championship run, I would like to think he would have been fired a few years ago already. Is this an “old boys” network thing, where Ron Mason continues to keep his buddy employed? Does Mark Hollis want to disband the hockey program and funnel that money into basketball and football? Hollis seems strikingly competent, which makes his continued support (or indifference, I suppose) of MSUs fall to the lower third of collegiate hockey all the more puzzling.

It seems like there are plenty of alternatives out there, especially when you are considering where the bar is currently set: make the tourney half the time, and don’t get owned by your biggest rival in a 5 goal shutout. I have trouble believing that even the most inexperienced of coaches would have a problem meeting these standards.

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Dec 13, 2010 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

My mistake on Saturday

Being someone who does not, in fact, pay the slightest bit of attention to the fortunes of the two programs.

Fairly ridiculous that MSU has top-15 teams in both basketball and football, not not in hockey.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Dec 13, 2010 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with LVS. It is time to fire Rick Comley.

He looked in awe of UM. The University charges such high prices for Munn tickets and to put up a stinking performance for a team that cannot even score a goal on the road. It is such a disgrace.

by spartynation on Dec 13, 2010 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

Indifference

Is the buzz word that comes to mind with this program. Maybe part of that is the scarce resources idea that because the basketball team is so successful people gravitate towards that and it leaves hockey to fend for scraps in terms of people buying season tickets. But that’s not a good enough excuse. Wisconsin has an upper echelon basketball and hockey program. It can be done.

I like love hockey. I grew up in northern Michigan. Started skating in my backyard when i was 3 or 4 and played organized hockey all through high school. And I go to maybe 1 MSU game a year. When I have gone the play isn’t that exciting, and the team isn’t that competitive.

When I was in school the buzz about Comley was that he was a perfect caretaker for the program in the few years right after Mason until they found a younger guy to be the face of the program. That obviously hasn’t been the case.

I would agree that the on ice product hasn’t been good enough, but I also think the athletic department deserves some blame for failing to promote the team, or to adjust prices to get people in there. Currently season tickets cost either $270 or $306. If I was shelling out that kind of money on season tickets I can tell you Hockey wouldn’t be the first MSU sport I would do it for. Until the program gets back on top you would think the prices would reflect that.

by trivialstuff16 on Dec 13, 2010 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Comley as a caretaker

I thought the same thing when he was hired, but we’re not on year 8, and Comley is under contract for 4 more years. So if that ever was the intention, that line of thinking is clearly obsolete. The frustrating thing is how we’ve really lost the possibility of hiring any number of very good coaches because Comley has stuck around for so long. Jeff Jackson from Notre Dame, who has won 2 national championships and is an MSU alumnus, immediately comes to mind.

by LVS on Dec 13, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

To everything that has already been said above.

The whole product is a mess, the recruiting, style of play, in-game coaching, ticket pricing, etc. The weird thing is that it is complete anti-Hollis, so something seems up. Hollis is about all of MSU sports, so you wonder if Mason’s hands are still on this. If your predecessor is the greatest college hockey coach of all time, you probably go seek his advice on how to handle everything. And if he convinces you to keep him for whatever reason (just because it’s his buddy), then it’d be tough to go against that.

I go to about 1 game a year too and was planning on getting tickets for the UM game on the 7th, but I’m struggling to pull the trigger because of the display they put on this weekend.

by clubhockey15 on Dec 13, 2010 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Mason's buddy

It seems very odd to watch MSU play under Comley; for all of the talk that he and Mason are old buddies, the style of play is opposite. Mason’s teams were often boring, but they would win at that. They would get a 1 goal lead, go into a dump and chase shell and come out with a very fundamentally sound victory. With Comley, his teams are often undisciplined on and off the ice. His teams are world beaters one period, and look like dazed freshman the next.

I have to imagine Ron Mason hates seeing what has become of a program he worked so hard to continue progressing.

"It's a trap!"

by AdmiralAkbar on Dec 13, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

They are buddies but no one ever accused Rick of playing the same style. He always said he struggled when he first got here because he wanted to play up and down wide open hockey not a defensive systems based game. Problem is he recruits at MSU with a NMU attitude. He has admitted in public he doesn;t think he can compete with UM for players so he backs off. That may be true at Northern, but not at a school with the hockey tradition and resources of MSU. Comley needs to step down because I think he deserves more respect than a firing but I believe a move to a cake job in the athletic department should be in his future.

by spartanhockey89 on Dec 13, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Exactly

Ron Mason’s teams became more defensive oriented in later years, but they NEVER played dump and chase. They certainly cleared the puck when protecting a lead, but “dump and chase” only because a staple in the MSU offense when Comley took over.

I often wonder how Ron Mason sleeps at night after watching what Comley has done to his powerhouse program.

by southernspartan on Dec 13, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The product is embarassing but lets not act like it is unsavable. The Maine hockey team went to 3 frozen fours in a row then missed the tournament the last 2 years. They are now back because of a few recruiting classes.

Comley needs to be replaced and I fully understand people being disapointed in this team and not paying to see them. But even when this team was good Munn was a moratorium that had to turn off some recruits. This program will be back with a new coach.

by spartanhockey89 on Dec 13, 2010 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

I was at the Big Chill

We always had hockey, even when the football team was down. This tean was completely outmatched, All I had was “you lift me up”, which was effective in quieting the trolls. How can a NC team three years ago be this bad?

by MSU1978 on Dec 13, 2010 5:59 PM CST reply actions  

No joke as I was leaving someone tried to talk smack to me and I mentioned the name Josh Groban and he shut up like a clam

by spartanhockey89 on Dec 13, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you LVS

For all the MSU hockey fans, this was a long time coming. ‘07 is way too far in the rearview at this point. We can’t give up this much ground, especially if the Big 10 creates its own league. The point of this program (I don’t think it produces revenue) should be hang banners.

by TahoeSparty on Dec 13, 2010 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

A national title can buy a lot of goodwill

But I think he’s run through that with room to spare by now. And rumor was that a firing was possibly in the cards late in the ‘07 season until the team got hot and won it all. Missing the tournament three years out of four, as will very likely happen, does not at all meet the standards that we should expect of the hockey program here. It doesn’t even come close.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Dec 13, 2010 6:40 PM CST reply actions  

On the other hand...

A few points:

1. Comley is now in his 9th season as the MSU head coach. In his 8 full seasons thus far, MSU has only finished in the bottom half of the CCHA standings once (an 11th-place finish in 2008-09). It is a fair point that MSU has not won a CCHA regular season championship during Comley’s tenure but they have certainly been competitive.

2002-03 – 4th place
2003-04 – 3rd place
2004-05 – 6th place
2005-06 – 2nd place
2006-07 – 4th place
2007-08 – 3rd place
2008-09 – 11th place
2009-10 – 2nd place

2. MSU has struggled this year, but it is not fair to call one game a rock-bottom performance, especially when MSU outshot UM 34-29 in Saturday’s game. Obviously it was a big stage and not a good final score for MSU, but hockey is an unpredictable game and a couple bounces of the puck can make a close game look like a blowout.

3. Ron Mason (especially the seven seasons from 1990 through 1997 when MSU had no CCHA championships and one losing record) faced similar criticism at MSU that his time had passed and a new coach was needed. And then as everyone knows, for the next 5 seasons, MSU hockey was as dominant nationally as it has ever been.

I don’t have a strong view whether Comley is or isn’t the best coach for MSU, but I think his record has been solid (if unspectacular) and a little underappreciated. I also think a lot of the unhappiness with MSU hockey has more to do with the poor attendance and general lack of interest on campus in the hockey program, rather than Comley’s record. I am not totally sure what the causes of this are (success of other MSU sports, declining interest in hockey in general, etc) but in my view they are mainly not Comley’s fault.

by Ryan Henderson on Dec 13, 2010 7:21 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Mason had a record of success before that.

From the time we joined the CCHA (‘81-82) to the ’89-90 season, we won the conference four times and finished below second once (3rd in ’87-88). He had five Frozen Fours to his name by ’91-92. And his rough stretch bottomed out at 5th place. Under Mason, we failed to win 25 games six times in 23 seasons. Under Comley, it’s five in 8 seasons – and all evidence points to a sixth this year.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Dec 13, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

26 years as a four seat season ticket holder

I knew Comley was the wrong choice from the start .. heck, he refuses to wear green and white. His recriuting is dismal…a recent Captain and All American at U of M grew up loving and cheering for MSU yet Comley failed to sign him…..he’s now in the NHL!! Last season and this I decided to boycott … so I don’t pay his salary. Four more years of this incompetence and we will have four more years of 11th place finishes. I’d pay to watch Scott Skiles coach the ice hockey team because at least I’d see a fierce bleed green competitor that would work overtime to excell and not be content to drive our program into the dirt. Fire Comley. Claw back his salary. Rescind his contract and hire a young firebrand!

by livco33 on Dec 17, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

LVS is right....Fire Comley

LVS Your insight and comments are accurate. We of the ice hockey crowd have suffered at the hands of our weasel opponents in AA….due solely to the futile recruiting of Comley. Where do we find the e mail of Mr Hollis to implore him to correct this??

by livco33 on Dec 17, 2010 5:01 PM CST reply actions  

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