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A Note on the Freshmen

Luke Winn recently published an article that attempts to measure the true impact of elite recruits. He looked at top-100-RSCI classes from the last four years and broke them down by ranking bracket (1-10, 11-20, etc.). His main conclusion was that, despite the excitement over highly ranked incoming classes, it's NOT really reasonable to expect the following:

  • a freshman outside the top 20 who plays in more than half the team's minutes
  • a freshman outside the top 20 with an offensive rating above 100
  • a freshman outside the top 10 with the usage rate of a "go-to" guy (+24%)

<a class='sbn-auto-link' href='http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball/players/123903/adreian-payne'>Adreian Payne</a>
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What's true of freshmen generally he found to be especially true of freshman big men. Immediate, high impact freshman big men are extremely rare outside the top 10 of the incoming class. Adreian Payne had an RSCI ranking of 27 in the 2010 class. Bigs outside the top 10 tend to be "projects" and the fall-off in minutes and possessions outside that top group is steep. Eyeballing Winn's graphs, you would expect someone like Payne to be getting only 30%+ of the possible minutes and 22%+ of the possessions when he's in there. Payne's usage is right there already (22.1%) but his minutes (23.3%) and offensive rating (81.4) are somewhat low yet, likely due to the same causes: turnovers and foul shooting (all stats from kenpom.com). These strike me as things that are going to improve with playing time and practice and I imagine that Payne is going to meet or exceed normal expectations by the time the season is done.

<a class='sbn-auto-link' href='http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball/players/123904/keith-appling'>Keith Appling</a>
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As an additional note, Keith Appling (RSCI #34) is also making decent progress. His offensive rating of 103.4 is ahead of the curve and while you'd expect his minutes and usage to be higher (currently 41.8% and 19.4% respectively) the recent decision to begin starting him will probably bump these up, especially when you consider that his main competition for minutes is from former walk-ons Austin Thornton and Mike Kebler, and to a lesser extent, Korie Lucious.

The main take-away from Winn's article, I think, is that, although players like Payne and Appling are very promising freshmen, they're not likely to have the same immediate impact as Jared Sullinger and Kyrie Irving and initial expectations should be appropriately scaled.

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Great post!

One could argue Izzo’s complex system takes longer to learn than most, decreasing the odds of an impact freshman.

by Chris in Kzoo on Dec 15, 2010 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

absolutely

im glad this was finally posted by somebody. i think it is unfair to have these expectations of freshmen big men. Especially in a Tom Izzo system where low post players are already plentiful and he has to learn to be a top rebounder.

by brook194 on Dec 15, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems to me

That Keith will be providing something by March. I have the feeling that Luscious is going to doing more than many of us expected and I think that will allow Keith to use the training wheels for a bit. Plus, he seems to be a bit more aggressive.

I don’t expect much from Payne. I’m not saying that in a critical way or anything. It’s just that the 5 spot is not a strong point on this team and I don’t think Izzo is going to call Payne’s number to take care of it. He doesn’t have the luxury of an apprenticeship like Appling does with the guys in front of him. It seems to me that Sherm will take the bulk of the minutes at the 5.

Given time to study the game and an off season in the gym Payne can seriously be a monster.

by Conor Boyle on Dec 15, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

RSCI?

First of all I just want to say that it’s posts like this that have me visiting this blog 4 or 5 times a day.

Second, can someone tell me what RSCI stands for?
Thanks

by zeke4heisman on Dec 15, 2010 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

Recruiting Services Consensus Index

It’s an average of the rankings from the major recruiting services.

http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Dec 15, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree – great post!

by SpartanBoiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for establishing a realistic baseline

I have to say that I wasn’t expecting Payne to be a major contributor in the scoring department. He’s obviously a top shelf rebounder, so if he can get his defensive assignments straightened out and stop turning it over he could be a real force for us.

Appling I was a little critical of after the Syracuse game, but overall I’ve been satisfied with his performance. Again, if he can bring the turnover rate down some he’ll be a solid contributor. I wasn’t expecting either to be a superstar their freshman year, but we don’t really need more superstars – just guys who can play effective minutes.

by TheCrestedHelm on Dec 15, 2010 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

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