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Do Tom Izzo teams get better as the season goes on?

[Note: Post has been updated with TOC-produced scatterplots at the bottom.]

The Duke Blue Devils tend to play less efficiently as the conference season goes on:

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The Michigan State Spartans perform pretty evenly across the conference season:

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(HT: Eamonn Brennan.  Note: The slight downward slope of the MSU trendline looks like it's mostly a function of poor Big Ten Tournament performances.)

These charts were produced by the Duke Chronicle in an attempt to determine whether Duke's performance tends to decline over the course of the season due to Mike Krzyzewski relying too heavily on his starters.  The decline in performance is confirmed.  The reason for the decline is not; there doesn't appear to be any correlation between how deep a particular Duke team is and how deep that team's bench is.

The MSU chart was produced (along with a UNC chart) to see if the late-conference-season decline held for other nationally-prominent basketball programs--which it doesn't.  Michigan State was selected because the conventional wisdom is that Tom Izzo teams improve as the season goes on.

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I don't think that's quite right, though, as illustrated by the chart.  A more accurate portrayal might be that MSU tends to perform better in the NCAA Tournament than it does in Big Ten regular season play.

But is that even a true statement?  The only season in the time period on which the charts above are based in which MSU had major NCAA tournament success despite a somewhat disappointing conference season was 2005, when MSU finished 2nd in the Big Ten but made it to the Final Four.  Of course, that team posted a not-too-shabby 13-3 record in conference play that season, finishing behind only an Illinois team that would advance all the way to the National Championship game.

(The 2005 Final Four run was perhaps more surprising to MSU fans because of the Alan-Anderson-missed-free-throw-fueled flameout vs. Iowa in the first found of the BTT than because of finishing second in the conference during the regular season.)

Outside of the 2005 Final Four appearance, MSU won at least a share of the Big Ten title in each of the other four Final Four seasons during the Tom Izzo era.  The only other (arguably) disparate NCAA-vs.-conference outcomes of the Izzo era came in 2003: subpar 10-6 conference record, Elite Eight appearance.  And the following season you had a reversed set of outcomes: improved 12-4 conference record, first round NCAA loss.

Maybe it's time to just say that Michigan State has generally played very good basketball under Tom Izzo, whether it be in the Big Ten (171-75; 153-57 if you remove Izzo's first two seasons) or the NCAA Tournament (31-11).  Further, Big Ten success has generally been a pretty good predictor of NCAA Tournament success for MSU over the last 12 years.  In seasons in which MSU has won 12 or fewer regular season Big Ten games during the Izzo era, the team has a combined 6-6 NCAA Tournament record.  In seasons in which MSU has won 13 or more Big Ten games, the cumulative NCAA Tournament record is 25-5.

Boom. Sports meme-exploding bomb dropped.  (By accident.)

Update: Here's a scatterplot of my own on that last point:

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Also, negative efficiency margins during the conference season don't necessarily portend NCAA Tournament failure:

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Although this trendline probably needs to be flattened out over the next three weeks if our Spartans are to make another run toward/into April:

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Final thought: It may be that the notion that MSU performs better in the NCAA Tournament than in the Big Ten is a function of the seven-year conference title drought.  The thing is that, during those seven years, MSU only got to the second weekend of NCAA Tournament play three times.

Here's to more consistent year-to-year performance in both potentially-banner-producing phases of the basketball season going forward.

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This is great stuff

We will have to flatten that line in the last graph out, as in the graph from 2009 our efficiency margin declines slightly but the “best fit” line stays positive. This year it is clearly dipping below zero, although it looks like the Indiana game is missing from the data (our last two games featured positive efficiency margins but there is only one dot in positive territory over the past two games on the graph). Adding the IU game would flatten things out somewhat.

Obviously the key is going to be staying in positive territory over the next two games. We do that and we should get at least a share of the title. Collapse in both and we can most likely kiss our title hopes goodbye, and that trend line will not flatten out much, in which case a deep tourney run looks iffy as per your first graph.

The 2005 team was really good and in a normal year would have won at least a share of the title (last year’s team had one more Big 10 loss and finished 4 games ahead of the pack, but that year one measly Big 10 loss would have put us out of title contention). It just so happened that there was one juggernaut that year that was better than us and that team happened to be in the Big 10 (well, I guess there was another ACC juggernaut that was better than both us and Illinois). In our minds that team underperformed because they didn’t win a share of the Conference title, but judged in tempo free terms or by historical win-loss records, a deep tourney run should not have been a surprise.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 19, 2010 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

Oh yeah

Forgot to update the Chronicle’s dataset to include the IU game.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 19, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

reputation

Sssh, extra-ordinary March greatness has become part of the MSU brand. Don’t go and ruin it by revealing the reality is a bit more complicated. MSU players believe it and so do opponents, and that must be worth something. Look at last year: the same team that played scared against Penn State was quietly confident against the big names teams in the tourney.

by Anderlecht on Feb 19, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

Ha

I must let the scatterplot-revealed truths speak for themselves.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 19, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

On that 2009 graph . . .

I think it’s important to examine why our efficiency margin declined. Last year it was to some extent a function of who we played when. There were 3 non-MSU teams in the Kenpom top 30 in the Big 10 last year: Wisconsin, Purdue, and Illinois. In our first 12 conference games we played exactly one game against those other top teams (a home game against Illinois).

In our last 6 conference games, four were against top 30 teams – home and away against Purdue, home against Wisconsin, and away against Illinois. Given the stiffer competition, it’s not surprising that we experienced a slight decline in efficiency margin toward the end of the year. It’s not that we got worse – it’s that the competition got better.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 19, 2010 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

Correlation Coefficients

So, I don’t want to rain on anyone’s statistical parade here… but it seems all this data is only very loosely correllated to the trendlines. An R^2 of .03 on the first graph definitely is not something to base any coclusions on.

by groverj3 on Feb 19, 2010 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

I think that's the point

There’s no correlation between MSU’s team performance and the stage of the conference season.

Whether the R^2 for Duke is statistically significant is another question, but the evidence seems compelling visually.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 19, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey! Which Georgia Tech blogger

is logged in under KJ@theonlycolors’s profile?!? I have said it before and I’ll say it again; Tom Izzo and Bo Ryan are the two coaches whose teams no one wants to face in the tournament every season. I would say that even more importantly than if MSU tends to get better during the season, they tend to be better prepared for the NCAA’s because of the types of teams they force themselves to play every season.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 19, 2010 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

Izzo/Ryan

I’m not saying Izzo isn’t a great NCAA Tournament coach. It’s just not obvious he’s that much better a tournament coach than he is a Big Ten regular season coach.

The “being prepared” part applies largely to playing tough nonconference schedules, right? Which would help you both in conference and tournament play.

As for Ryan, he’s advanced to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament 3 times in 8 tries. I think most tournament opponents would take those odds.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 19, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't know

that Wisconsin is getting the athletes to put them in a position that they should be expected to get to the second week of the tourney. Ryan’s coaching consistently makes them better than they are, that’s all I’m saying. Or to put it another way, which program that is not UNC, Kansas, Kentucky or the like is as toughto face as those two?

Bottom line, I would be hard-pressed to believe that either program could do much better than what they already have. In Tom Izzo, you have one of the rare opposing coaches that I not only admire, but really like.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 19, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that Bo gets just about all he can out of his players

I think he’s a fantastic coach – one of the best in the nation.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 19, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

And in all three of those ...

… they were facing a team that had pulled an upset in the first round. (#13 Tulsa in ’03, #14 Bucknell in ’05, #11 K-State in ’08.) Last year was the first time he had ever beaten a team seeded 8th or above in the tournament.

Wisconsin’s best runs in the tournament seem more a product of the bracket crumbling around them than anything else. I don’t have any particular explanation for their lack of success against good tournament teams (when they do so well in the regular season), but 1-7 against teams seeded 8th or higher (including two upset losses) with the win against one of the worst 5 seeds of all time (seriously, by Pomeroy’s rankings FSU should have been a 9, and as a 12 the Badgers were actually the favorite without even taking into account the weird 12-over-5 mojo) seems like a pretty solid trend.

Wisconsin’s always better than it seems like they should be, but if I’m a high seed from outside the Big Ten and see Wisconsin in my bracket I’m probably happier with that than any of the alternatives.

by SpartanDan on Feb 19, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you could add a few other coaches to that list

I don’t think your average NCAA Division 1 basketball coach particularly wants to face Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Jim Calhoun, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino or Bill Self in the tournament either. Put another way, I don’t think Izzo is more feared than those other coaches by his peers.

There is evidence that Izzo teams have outperformed their seed more often, or to a greater extent, than other coaches. In that sense he is a better than average tourney coach. Ryan has not outperformed his seed to the same (if any) extent.

On the initial topic of this post, John Gasaway has a post up on depth. MSU is looking pretty good as far as percentage of minutes played by the top 5 players in comparison to a lot of other top teams. Hopefully that will start bearing fruit right about now.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 19, 2010 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

KJ, KenPom wrong?

KJ,

I don’t spend much time at KenPom but I noticed that he has MSU finishing with five conference losses but only one more loss, against Purdue. Am I missing something?

by nationgreen on Feb 19, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

The projected records are based on the aggregate of the odds in the individual games.

Which makes more sense, really. Even if a team is favored in all of it’s games, there is a high statistical probability that they will lose some.

Purdue, for instance, is favored in their final 5 games, but their projected conference record is 14-4.

by rcpratt on Feb 19, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

And because I'm bored...

Here’s the non-rounded conference win total projections based on KenPom:

Purdue – 14.08
MSU – 13.48
OSU – 13.06
Wisconsin – 12.42
Illinois – 10.61

by rcpratt on Feb 19, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

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