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Worst. Game. Ever. Wisconsin 67, Michigan State 49

Three hours ago we were undefeated in Big Ten play, up 3 games on the entire league, entering a game with our arch-rival, who was missing its best player.

At this moment, we are quite decidedly no longer undefeated in Big Ten play, up just 2 games (in the loss column) on 4 different teams, staring down two very difficult games--very likely without our best player.

I think I'm justified in using the period-after-every-word blog title construction.

There's not much point in dwelling on what happened on the court.  MSU was out shot by 20 percentage points (in eFG% terms) and out-turnovered by 15 percentage points.  Winning the rebounding battle (which didn't happen until the second half) and getting to the free throw line more frequently didn't matter much.

Wisconsin came out red hot from beyond the arc and only cooled off slightly as the game went on, getting some very friendly bounces from the Kohl Center rims.  I think I'm correct in saying (I'm not going back to check) that Jordan Taylor and Tim Jarmusz--both of whom are sub-.300 three-point shooters on the season--started the game a combined 3-4 from beyond the arc.

Officiating wasn't the difference in the game (we did have a 16-4 advantage in FTA), but it certainly didn't help.  The referee crew came out clearly determined to set an anti-physical-defense tone.  That initially helped when Trevon Hughes picked up 2 early fouls, but the situation quickly reversed when Kalin Lucas and Raymar Morgan did the same.

Going back to analyze the officiating in detail is a nonconstructive activity.  But let me say this:

Ed Hightower is an embarrassment to the Big Ten and, more broadly, the sport of college basketball.  A referee should never be in a situation in which he's shown, on national TV, yelling back and forth with a head coach from 6 inches apart.  If Izzo was over the line, T him up.  Otherwise, get the heck away from him and do your job.  There's no explanation for that behavior other than simply wanting to be in the spotlight.  So here you go, Ed:

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We lost to a superior team tonight.  Given our history in Madison, that's frustrating enough.  But, of course, the bigger concern is the status of Kalin Lucas' right ankle.  The initial (but not definitive) signs are that there's no structural damage.  Regardless, given the amount of pain he looked to be in after he went down and the fact he avoided putting any pressure at all on it when he left the court--you have to think he's going to miss some time.  The next two games (at Illinois, home to Purdue) suddenly look extremely losable.

If Lucas is indeed out, Korie Lucious (who was not great but not entirely bad tonight: 9 points, 5 assists, 3 TOs) becomes your starting point guard, and a wing player to be named later becomes your back-up point guard (my guess: Chris Allen, since he's not scoring right now anyways).

We should know more tomorrow.  The road to a Big Ten title just got a lot rockier, my friends.

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Hightower is a clown.

Didn’t watch the game, but for some reason I’m not at all surprised that he did that.

by rcpratt on Feb 2, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Hightower!

The first thing I do when I show up for a game is look to see if Hightower is officiating so I know whether or not I need to mentally (and vocally) prepare myself for a terrible game. What an idiot. He must have pictures of Jim Delaney in a compromising position or something, because his officiating is a huge embarrassment.

by TelePunk5 on Feb 3, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Hightower was surprisingly quiet last night

Even for an IU-Purdue game.

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by BoilerTMill on Feb 5, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, I know the officiating is one of the most unwelcome blog topics

But this game was a travesty. Insert your choice of obligatory the-other-team-was-better-and-officiating-didn’t-cost-us-the-game comment here. I’m not going to buy into the “it was only 15-14 MSU” and MSU got more foul shots crap. 26 of Wisconsin’s 55 shots came from beyond the arc. The only time I ever recall Wisconsin making an effort to take it inside was Trevon Hughes’ embarrassing attempt to “take over” the game at the beginning of the second half by missing 5 consecutive shots. There should have been a huge foul disparity in favor of MSU. Instead, the Spartans were called for one more foul. And you could see it in the way they played defense – every time there was contact with an offensive player the defender would back up, raise his hands and glance at the nearest ref to see if this was going to be another of the random contact fouls that were the order of the day. Nobody had any clue what was going to be called. Kalin Lucas was in foul trouble early in the second half. You want to know how many times he’s had 3 fouls in a game before tonight – once. In the first Minnesota game when he picked up fouls 2 and 3 with under a minute left in the game. This was a flat-out embarrassment for the officials. No other way to put it.

by Con-T on Feb 2, 2010 11:33 PM CST reply actions  

The numbers don't back up what you are saying.

Wisconsin outscored Michigan State 24-12 in the paint and other than one dunk from Keaton Nankivil, ALL of those points came from Wisconsin’s guards “taking it inside” as you put it.

Nankivil was the only big man who took a shot in the game and 7 of his 8 field goal attempts were jumpshots. UW won the game because of their guards’ ability to take it inside. What’s amazing is that the Badgers only had 4 free throw attempts the entire game.

For someone complaining about officiating, none of this really backs up your argument. You should probably worry more about the fact that there were no MSU defenders anywhere near UW’s guards to even think about fouling them on all the easy layups they got.

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by Adam Hoge on Feb 3, 2010 2:57 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

we will take it under advisement. done.

Enjoy your victory. Try and stay on your feet.

by rook34 on Feb 3, 2010 6:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

worry more about the fact that there were no MSU defenders anywhere near UW’s guards

So very, very, this. I still can’t understand how a team with this kind of athletic talent and a coach who preaches defense has no perimeter defensive ability. None.

by theRPS on Feb 3, 2010 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

It's true

None of the things you chose to bring up support my claim. You might have addressed the points I actually made. I don’t know why you’re bringing up the big men vs. guards issue – I’m not sure what this has to do with it. Wisconsin is a perimeter oriented team and that’s not going to get you a lot of shooting fouls. And to say “ALL” of the points in the paint came from Wisconsin’s guards taking it inside is pure hyperbole. Is Jason Bohannon picking up a loose ball after Morgan’s block and laying it in taking it inside? How about the uncontested breakaway he had later in the game? Rob Wilson’s put-back dunk?

Your point about MSU’s perimter defense is well taken.

by Con-T on Feb 3, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, by the way

The picture on your own blog’s front page sure looks like someone other than Keaton Nankivil dunking the ball.

by Con-T on Feb 3, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry

Hey Con-T. I’m going to say that Adam Hodge did addresss all the points you made. But don’t worry about it. If you had to lose, at least you lost at WI. That shouldn’t hurt your rankings that much.

by Tim V on Feb 3, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree with adam. sort of.

in the sense that the officiating wasn’t really a problem.

i mean, sure, kalin lucas got his first foul on a flop, but we have to know it’s coming against UW. that’s what they do. it’s dumb to blame the officials when you know the player is going to do a good job selling it.

i think our continued failure at perimeter defense is why we lost. think about how we won in ann arbor. if UM shoots anywhere near as well as UW from 3, we lose that game big, too. i was thinking in the first half that i’d rather give up points inside than keep giving up looks on the outside with under 10 on the shot clock.

but indeed that is what we did in the second half. that early perimeter success allowed their guards to repeatedly drive the lane in the second half. which killed us.

by robb. on Feb 3, 2010 7:18 AM CST reply actions  

Meh.

Sure, the refs but the flopping and that is to wisconsin’s advantage. But building your program on falling down and waiting for a whistle is hardly admirable.

by rook34 on Feb 3, 2010 7:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

As much as I harped on the officiating in the game thread, we still lose that game without Hightower/Valentine making a mockery of college basketball. But FT disparity doesn’t paint a proper picture considering Wisconsin has little inside game, relying on the Dook motto of “win by the three, die by the three.” All of the petty ones-sided hand checks and moving screens put MSU in foul trouble and made Kalin, Raymar, Draymond, etc. play so tentative. Still, they shot lights out from beyond the arc. They dominated. Congrats. Keep on relying on flopping, the three-point shot, and dirty play… it will get you nowhere, Bo.

Bo Ryan: 8 NCAA tournaments, 0 Final Fours, 0 NC. Keep winning the battles and losing the wars.

by TMadison25 on Feb 3, 2010 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

So here's a...

…question. Who plays point when Korie Lucious is not playing? I’d guess Allen, which would have seemed very weird last year, but he’s become an okay ball handler. I hope Lucious is ready to play Lucas’ minutes and a few more.

by witless chum on Feb 3, 2010 7:41 AM CST reply actions  

I'm worried

If KL2 and Allen are our primary ball-handlers, we are going to see some really aggressive ball-hawking, perhaps even trapping, defense by Illinois and Purdue (more than usual I mean). “Cut off the head and the body…” and all that. I fear we’re about to realize just how valuable Lucas’ experience and composure are: I for one have been taking it for granted for a couple of years now. This would be a great time for Korie to show he’s ready to assume some of the mantle.

by RobbingGormanThomas on Feb 3, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about KL2.

He’s a talented kid who has waited for his chance. I think he’ll play well. Plus, I’d much rather his first game at the controls (if necessary) be against Illinois than Thug Kramer. He’ll have a chance to get ready for the sure bruising Kramer will put on him.

I am concerned about what we’d do if he gets dinged or in foul trouble. But that’s what injuries do to a team. No one carries three game-ready point guards.

by rook34 on Feb 3, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

True

Lucas’ leadership and solid ball-handling have been taken for granted. The good thing is that Summers, Roe, Green, Morgan are all competent with the ball and can help out Allen in a pinch. Not saying they need to be walking the ball up the court, but more help when Allen or KL2 gets double-teamed.

by TMadison25 on Feb 3, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Refs and MSU both sucked

The refs were hugely inconsistent, and this crew always does try to steal the spotlight, and they probably did rattle MSU — my favorite non-call was the play on which Lucas got hurt, which had to be a foul, surely — but the bottom line is that MSU did shoot ten more foul shots than Wiscy. No, the real problem was that MSU was not ready to play, defended poorly, shot terribly and basically got one out of every twenty loose balls. Wisconsin’s athleticism is easy to underestimate but they have big strong guys and at home they play with a purpose and a certain swagger. When they are confident, as they were after like their first seven shots went in, they are hard to beat. When it became clear this was one of those games in which the Spartans are set on beating themselves, the game was done. Izzo’s strategy to go inside was perhaps the right one, but Roe can’t buy a shot beyond 4 feet, and Green tried to do too much.

Izzo should have tried to change the logic of the game. Maybe a press early on. or bring in Nix — he would have been a liability on defense, but noone on wisconsin could have stopped him on offense.

I’ll be interested to see how they rebound. Losing Kalin may force Allen and Summers out of their torpor, and get the others to focus. Roe in particular has been sleepwalking through these games. We will know by next week whether the 9-0 start was an illusion first revealed last night, or whether they were flat last night basically because the three game cushion led them to be temporarily complacent. Luckily Illinois is even a worse team than Wisconsin…

by Anderlecht on Feb 3, 2010 7:51 AM CST reply actions  

Agree and disagree

Wisconsin won that game, regardless of how the officials handled it. They were hungrier, scrappier, and just the better team last night.

But you can’t say that the bottom line of officiating discrepancy is free throw shooting. Kalin and Raymar get called for 6 off-the-ball fouls and Wisconsin doesn’t shoot free throws. Just because Wisconsin doesn’t shoot free throws doesn’t mean Kalin and Ramyar aren’t in foul trouble.

For every point Nix would’ve scored, Wisconsin would’ve score four on easy layups.

Very interested in how KL2 performs. He seems to be one of the few players that strikes back when his back is against the wall. Hope KL1’s ankle is okay.

by TMadison25 on Feb 3, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

But in the annals of homer reffing that MSU has lived through in the last decade, including at Wisconsin, this was really mild stuff, and Wisconsin did not win it at the foul line. They made shots, MSU did not. MSU only had 17 baskets the entire game…

by Anderlecht on Feb 3, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Summers and Roe: Inconsistency defined

Summers and Roe both have the potential to be some of the most versatile players in the league, but right now all they do is rebound. It is hard to believe right now that he is a guy that Roy Williams wanted. Summers did not come in with much hype but there is so much talent there. Maybe two of the most frustrating players of the Izzo era. How long can Roe continue to lean on his microfracture surgery?

by nationgreen on Feb 3, 2010 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

Roe's game has been hurt by Green's development.

They don’t run plays for him (perhaps with just cause) and he’s primarily become a defender and rebounder.

Summers is all over the place, one game great, one middling, the next awful. He’s been that way since he arrived.

In terms of the microfracture surgery, it’s not the injury that hurt Roe so much. It was the lack of developmental time while he was injured. He primarily just dunked on people in high school, and his moves still need development. I don’t remember him blaming things on his injury. It’s a fact that the kid lost a ton of time.

by rook34 on Feb 3, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy talk

Roe has been nothing short of solid, IMO. Rebounding, on both sides of the floor, smart in transition, smart in half-court play, great around the rim. 1.63 points per shot leads all MSU regulars.

Summers shoots a ton of jumpers… You have to take the good and the bad with it.

by TMadison25 on Feb 3, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Summers

I agree with rook34 regarding Roe. Moreover, its hardly like rebounding isn’t important, especially when you have so many players in the rotation who can score. That 1.63 per shot certainly suggests that he is making the most of his opportunities….and, he’s turned into a semi-reliable free throw shooter (at least compared to last year).

I will say this about Summers: he is inconsistent, but I am impressed by his willingness to crash the boards whether he is hitting his shots or not. I think we were all hoping for a MoPete like jump this year, but that may have been a lot to ask.

by RobbingGormanThomas on Feb 3, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Summers had the highest eFG rating of all MSU players last night

He was OK, with a eFG of 56. Green was at 50, and Lucious was at 56. No one else was higher than 33.

Roe has not developed much of a back-to-the-basket game. I was expecting, based on the hype coming out of HS, a Jeff Green type player (I live in DC and follow Georgetown a little bit so he is the first athletic power forward of the past few years that springs to mind). So far he is still a ways from there on offense, but we’ve got plenty of scorers most nights so we don’t need him to be a primary option on offense. It’s just that most of our scorers did not show up last night.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 3, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Right about the recovery rook 34

You are right that the injury takes time to recover and he did lose time. He doesn’t personally lean on his injury, but sometimes the media portrays that he is still developing. My point is that this team probably won’t become an elite contender without consistent play on both ends of the floor from them. Summers needs to be a 15 point scorer and stop settling for jump shots and Roe needs to be in the 8-10 point range. I will say this for Roe, his FT stroke looked awful but man is it looking good now.

by nationgreen on Feb 3, 2010 9:21 AM CST reply actions  

Biggest issue

I think the knee issue really hindered his development with his back to the basket—which is what you need to be a consistent scoring threat as a big man. Roe living off offensive rebounds and opportunities going to the hoop off passes. Can’t score out of a normal in-bounds pass in the half-court offense.

Absolutely agree on FT shooting. Amazing how confident I feel when he’s at the line now.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 3, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Next year

That’s one of the big things I want to see develop. Roe needs to be a back-to-the-basket threat. That’s something MSU is missing and has been missing. Suton was only that player in flashes. Whenever Roe misses, Payne can swoop in and slam it back.

by intrpdtrvlr on Feb 3, 2010 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

That was awful

So much for my cautious optimism. First off, the officiating had no bearing on the result of the game. It just made it one of the the most aesthetically ugly basketball games in the history of the sport. They swallowed their whistles on shooting fouls and called every ticky-tack off the ball (and on the ball) foul they could imaginarily see.

As far as our performance – I have come to the conclusion that MSU teams of recent vintage (read since 2001) get too ramped up for certain games, and this was one of them. The result is a failure to execute due to emotional overload. The UNC game was the another game like this one, as several people commenting on the game thread noticed. In both cases we were trying to end a losing streak and exact a measure of revenge for past losses, and in both cases everyone was trying to do too much to get it done. Our defense was pathetic because everyone was collapsing on the ball to help out the guy whose job it was to guard the ball handler, rather than taking care of their own responsibilities.

Everyone who reads this blog regularly knows that with Leuer out, Wisconsin has become a POT. I have a hard time believing that the game-planning emphasis for this game was on helping on dribble penetration at the expense of leaving perimeter shooters open, but that is what we did time after time. The whole game was one big lapse in mental judgement. We overreacted to every offensive threat, leaving guys open on the perimeter to shoot uncontested jumpers. The same problem manifested itself in the UNC game, but at least they had some legitimate post scoring threats to worry about. The lapses in perimeter D last night were more eggregious because Wisonsin is sans anyone with a back-to-the-basket game.

The same problem manifested itself on offense with out-of-control plays. Granted, Wisconsin is not above flopping, but there were instances when we were out of control trying to make something happen and the charging call was justified. Time and again, over agressiveness got us into trouble on offense with ill advised shots, out of control drives, leaving our feet with no-where to go with the ball, etc. We just couldn’t get out of our own way, settle down, and play well.

Give Wisconsin credit – they hit their shots, played their game, and executed well on both sides of the ball. This is not the end of the season by any means. This game looked like a loss on the schedule from the get go, and we lost. The manner in which we lost is somewhat disturbing, but it’s not indicative of the quality of this team. Specifically, we have been playing excellent perimeter defense most of this year. Last night was a very large blip in an otherwise good record. The key will be how we respond – do we go into the tank mentally like we did last night or calm down and execute the way we are capable of? If we do the latter we should be OK and stay in the title hunt.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 3, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

Concur, in part

No doubt we would have lost this game even with a credible officiating crew calling the game. The point I’ve been trying to make is that a rough equivalence in the number of fouls called, and even a free-throw disparity in our favor, does not mean we have “no complaint” about how the game was called. Wisconsin was called for 14 fouls, and 8 of them were shooting fouls. Most of these were attempts, many successful, to prevent easy baskets and force the shooter to earn his points at the line. Those are good fouls. MSU was called for 15 fouls, 1 of which was a shooting foul. Which makes the disparity in non-shooting (off-the-ball, ticky-tack, etc.) fouls 14-6 in Wisconsin’s favor, which visibly affected how the defense played. That disparity was not reflective of the game I saw or of our defensive tendencies this season.

by Con-T on Feb 3, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I concede your point about the officiating

We were the victims of more ticky-tack stuff, but we wouldn’t have won anyway, and calling that crap just made for an uglier game. Our main problem was that this was just one of those games we’ve been prone to once in a while where we just can’t seem to calm down and execute on either end of the floor, Collective brain cramp syndrome – I’m working on establishing a non-profit to find a cure. Maybe we can get Magic to be the spokesperson.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I must say

Lucas’ injury could be a blessing in disguise, assuming that it’s something that is not serious enough to keep him out or less than 100% for the remainder of the season. Allen, Summers, and Lucious can no longer defer to his leadership on the perimeter. This is a great opportunity for Lucious to be the man and run a team, and it’s a great opportunity for Allen and Summers to step into the role of being the primary perimeter scoring option.

Most of the detractors of MSU’s national title chances this year have pointed to a lack of a back to the basket, traditional inside offfensive post threat. That is still true of this team. It will be a glaring disadvantage for MSU if they have to play a team like Kansas, Kentucky or Texas in the tournament. But a lack of scoring punch in the post is also true of some other big time contenders such as Villanova, and other dangerous teams such as Duke, West Virginia, Tennessee, etc. In other words, MSU can overcome this.

What MSU cannot overcome in tandem with the lack of offense in the post is a lack of consistent scoring on the wing. I’ve maintained throughout the season that the one thing this team is missing compared to teams like Kansas, Texas, and Syracuse is another consistent scoring threat from the perimeter and second guy who can take over in crunch time. That should be Raymar Morgan, but after four years of frustrating play he is what he is, MSU’s most physically talented but also most frustrating player. After disappearing completely in games against Kansas, Louisville, and UNC in MSU’s tourney run last season you should give up on counting on him. So who does that leave? Draymond will always be consistently good but rarely great. He’s physically limited for elite status in this regard. Read: Allen, Summers, Lucious – it’s time to step it up. No more scoring outbursts followed by zero point games.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Feb 3, 2010 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

Izzo Warnings Prove Accurate, Again

We were able to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat at the Barn and Breslin East. Last year, we needed the Northwestern wake up call. Still in good shape, however …

by MSU1978 on Feb 3, 2010 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

Roe and Summers

If Roe and Summers are so solid offensively, then why doesn’t Izzo run anything for them? It is hard to believe that this team can go deep in the tournament if Lucas is our only consistent scorer. Balanced scoring is nice, but it seems against top competition this year that a third and fourth scorer just aren’t available. Think of last year, when even Walton delivered in the tournament on the offensive end. If guys aren’t willing to step up and fill that third and fourth spot behind Lucas and (gulp) Morgan, they could be home early come March. Yeah, Wisconsin has beat Duke and Purdue at home, but at some point this season they will have to face adversity against a good team and come out on top. It looked like they found it against Minnesota and Michigan, but face it, neither of those are tournament quality teams. I know Izzo builds for March, but you have to believe he would like this team to deliver in conference on the road against a very very good team at least once. They will have their chance on the road against Purdue.

by nationgreen on Feb 3, 2010 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

I like that change

I think that is Summers’s game. He’s streaky from three point range, so I have no problem with him bombing from there when they are going in, but he’s much more consistent closer to the basket. He can elevate enough to get a clean look and his jump shot from closer in seems much more accurate. Plus if he misses he’s in a better position to get the rebound. His scoring has improved quite a bit since they’ve been running that mid-range stuff for him.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 3, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year

“Izzo would like this team to deliver in conference on the road against a very very good team at least once.”

Which game was this last year? Looks like a bunch of first round losses and fringe tournament teams.

Wins
at Ohio State
at Texas
at Minnesota
at Michigan
at Illinois

Losses
Maryland
UNC
at Purdue

Those road wins against fringe tournament teams shouldn’t be taken for granted. But to expect to consistently beat Wisconsin, Purdue and other top-quality teams on the road is absurd. Clearly, winning a big game on the road is not mandatory for a successful tournament run.

by TMadison25 on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

The Start

Last night’s game demonstrated how our difficulties at the beginning of games can have a depleting effect throughout the game. Just like turnovers, the anemic starts need to be addressed, particularly on the road and in neutral court settings, if this team is going to be successful come tournament time. Over the last five games, in the first four minutes of those games, the Spartans have scored a total of 21 points. At Minnesota, we scored 0 points, at at Wisconsin 3 points. Falling behing and having to claw back, particularly on the road is not a formula for success.

Related to the slow starts is Izzo’s reluctance to call an early timeout. I love the guy as a coach, but I do not understand this reluctance. It was 11 minutes in last night before he called a timeout. I understand the importance of keeping timouts for the end of the game, but of what use are they if you are down 15 or 20 at the end of the game. The team was shellshocked early on and needed a regrouping break. An earlier timeout may have helped, though I give them credit for regrouping some after the first TV timeout.

by donaldo on Feb 3, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

i think he feels they can handle it...

And he tries to prevent the crowd from going totally berzerk. Things didn’t go totally off the rails until ten minutes in or so.

by rook34 on Feb 3, 2010 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Summers

I agree with that, and he has shown the ability to knock down that shot on a curl or off a screen. Would love to see him go hard to the basket, I think it would elevate his game to another level. Seems tentative to go off the bounce at times.

by nationgreen on Feb 3, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

The Stretch

MSU has a 2 game lead with eight to play. Two of those are against Big Ten win-less Penn State. One of those is a home game against Michigan on Senior Day. One is a road trip to IU.

There’s no gimmes in the Big Ten, but the other four games are where I think the conference is won or lost. These four games include a road trip to Illinois, a home game against Purdue and OSU and a return game to Purdue. I really like the team’s chances at Illinois this weekend. The key is really going to be about defending home court, and wins over Purdue and OSU would just about clinch it barring a catastrophe somewhere else.

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by Seer on Feb 3, 2010 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Whadda Surprise

I knew this had to do with the BT’s refs.

Git 'r' dun.

by this_is_SPARTA on Feb 3, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

Embarrassing

Worst lost of the season need to step it up befor our next game.

by Warriors59 on Feb 3, 2010 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

Le sigh

Two comments about the officiating first, then to the game itself.

First, I agree with KJ (paraphrasing a tad) that Hightower is an attention-whoring clownbarrassment. In every game he officiates, his theatrics are over the top and seemingly aim to steal the show. Ed, sorry, but people don’t pay good money to attend and tune into these games just to see you spin into flourishing rages and melodramatic jackassary. If that’s what you live each day for, which can be the only conclusion drawn by any reasonable person watching you in action, I encourage you to join a drama club at a community college somewhere.

Secondly, officiating in no way determined the outcome of the game. It was frustrating, as is often and darn-near always the case when playing the Badgers, but it was not the cause of disparity between the two clubs last night. Wisconsin players have all but perfected the ‘art’ of embellishing the results of physical contact with opposing players, regardless of which end of the floor they’re on. It’s frustrating because it can be quite effective in changing the dynamics of a game, playing off how tightly the officials decide to be, and how consistent they decide to be. But what’s the most frustrating, which someone already commented on here, is that we know this going into any game with the Badgers. This is what they do. They do many other things, and they do them well, but this piece is very predictable and our players should know and understand as they prepare for this game that they will have to adjust to account for Ryan’s tactics. It’s my personal opinion that coaches should focus effort solely on playing the game instead of manipulating what the officials believe they see, but if it continues to work for them then it’s our fault for continuing to get bitten by it. In the end, as much as we all gripe about how Wisconsin plays and their flopping habits, shame on opposing players and coaches who fail to take it into account and adjust their approaches accordingly.

Now to the game.

Holy crap. Wisconsin came out looking like the team that stunned Duke earlier this year, hitting everything they threw up. This was aided by the fact that our defenders were a few steps slow and didn’t seem to know what was going on. It wasn’t just a few missed assignments here or there. Wisconsin kept moving the ball around and kept their non-ball-handling players shifting and swapping until someone got open, usually from distance. It was just a matter of time each possession until the defense broke down and gave up a wide open look. MSU got in a rhythm there for a while in the first half trading baskets with the Badgers, but trading twos for threes isn’t going to get you anywhere but behind. I was hopeful when Hughes went to the bench early in the first, but then so did Lucas and Jordan Taylor continued his inspired play and cemented himself as the new, up-and-coming Badger that will stick in our side for a couple more years. (Funny how they always have plenty of those types.) After the two-for-three tradeoffs went on for a while, State just seemed to implode for a while. Shots were no longer falling, the swing offense was still getting the best of them, and Wisconsin was doing everything right. They’re so patient and methodical and disciplined that it’s hard to find a weakness to exploit, much less exploit one. They’re the college basketball equivalent of the tortoise, slowly and steadily winning the race. It’s not fast, not sexy, and not (I’m biased, also I hate them) not entertaining to watch, but sweet mother of crap they work it to perfection. If you have issues and slip up, they will not only take advantage but will not give you a chance of making up your lost ground. You can only pray that those shots stop falling, which happens from time to time to all of us.

I’m not alone being unsettled about Lucas’s injury. He’s had his leadership and selfishness issues, but I really thought he was/is turning that corner. It’s not just the game-winning shots at the two UMs, but also his demeanor on the court and on the bench and in the huddle. There’s more eye contact, more assertiveness, more accountability to and demanded from others. To have him go down at this juncture is a significant setback. Lucious has seemed out of control at times and too eager to force the issue, but I’m actually not worried about him taking over the point. I think he’ll be playing with a different mindset knowing he’s temporarily-permanently stepping into the team’s leadership role, and do well. He’s shown an ability to calm the team down when things were getting frenzied, and I believe that will come through and better decision-making will prevail.

Until he can figure out what the problem is, Roe should not be backing people down in the post at critical points in any game with the intention of spinning and shooting. He’s a great rebounder, put-backer, and fighter inside, but for reasons unknown to us that turn-and-shoot skill seems to have disappeared completely. Rebound, scrap, and get the foul line – absolutely yes. I feel the same way about him forcing shots down low like that the way I feel about Green and Morgan shooting threes.

Champaign will be interesting. I think MSU is the far superior team here, and that Illinois will fade as the season winds down. However, with Game Day in town, with Purdue just two days later as a distraction, with Lucas out, with revenge on the Illini’s minds, with MSU proving its fallibility, this game just got bigger than it otherwise was. I actually don’t believe that environment will play a big part – the Spartans have showed poise in all away games this year, regardless of the outcomes. Their mistakes have been their own, not as a result of raucous arenas. Lucas’s injury could actually help us in the end by forcing this team to mature a bit more and pick up its intensity on its own, and I suppose you can’t progress meaningfully under easy circumstances.
 
And the conference race has become just that. Even the three-game lead was deceptive, with the other big three in the league (UW, OSU, PU) having played one another more than we’ve played them. For one, our back-loaded schedule and their front-loaded schedules will surely even out the records over the last half of the season. But more worrisome is the fact that since they’ve all been beating up on each other, they’re more tested and prepared while we’re still finding out what we’re made of. But that kind of thinking isn’t helpful. The season comes at you one game at a time and that’s all the Spartans should be concerned with right now.

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by Spartalytical on Feb 3, 2010 6:37 PM CST reply actions  

WU game preparation

Bo gave credit to Gregg Gard in running the MSU offense in 3 days of drills. No wonder they have our number. We can’t play them and go in with the same game plan year after year.

Where’ the press, where’s our zone…we need to change our attack and mix it up.

Gard needs a u in his name and he has been Bo’s right side of his brain for his entire career, even before WU. Hope the remaining opponents were watching Fox. Saturday is a must have game or we’re looking at a 3 way tie in March.

by hoppy on Feb 3, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

Are you drunk?

We never press, we never zone. We are who we are.

We go in with the same game plan. So do they. No one re-invents the wheel.

It’s about execution, period. We didn’t execute at either end and thus got our clock cleaned. There are no secrets at this level, and you can’t just pull a zone out of your ass if you’re not built for it.

People think you can just throw out a 2-3 zone. If you play it ineffectively, it’s an invitation for disaster, and very difficult to rebound out of. Syracuse plays an excellent zone. You can count on one hand the other high-level teams that do. I don’t count Michigan and Northwestern for obvious reasons.

by rook34 on Feb 3, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Our game plan should have changed

I don’t know what defensive game plan we put in place for the game on Tuesday, but I hope it wasn’t the same one we used when we faced them at the Breslin. They have changed their offensive approach since then due to the Leuer injury. With Leuer they want to play an inside-out game – their first preference is to get a mismatch posting up, and if that doesn’t look promising find someone open on the wing.

Without him the preference is reversed – they become a perimeter oriented team who will go inside only to draw defenders in the hopes of finding someone open on the perimeter. We collapsed on ball penetration repeatedly in the game against them, leaving guys open on the wing. I hope that was a failure to execute the gameplan rather than the gameplan. Their gameplan has adjusted because they no longer have much of a post presence. If our gameplan didn’t adjust accordingly, it was a major coaching error.

I agree with you about playing the zone – we don’t practice it and it’s not really our style. Rolling it out on a regular basis would be a disaster if we can’t play it well. And I’m not saying we should have totally changed our defensive approach, but we should have erred on the side of letting them try to beat us in the post rather than from the 3 point line, not the reverse.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 4, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Izzo's defensive scheme has always focused on stopping dribble penetration

and allowing 3-point shots—ideally contested 3-point shots.

For the game, Wisconsin’s 3-point shooting was where you’d expect it to be—35%. It was actually the lapses inside, allowing the Badgers to make 19 of 29 two-point attempts that hurt us more.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 4, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Wisconsin shot selection in the first half

15 three pointers and 12 2 pointers. In our first game against them they took 10 threes in the first half and 15 twos. Clearly their preference had shifted toward taking perimeter shots.

Granted, we did not defend on the interior very well either, so I guess maybe their first half success from distance due to poor execution rather than poor game planning, because we weren’t executing any aspect of our defense except rebounding with much success, and since they weren’t missing the rebounding didn’t really help us that much.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 4, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not excusing the perimeter defense

I do think that if (1) Wisconsin hadn’t come out quite so red hot from 3-point range and (2) MSU had controlled its turnovers, the defensive scheme probably would have worked OK.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 4, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ

It’s quite clear that if Wisconsin hadn’t been hot from 3-point range it would only have led to an even quicker and more decisive dismantling of MSU’s defensive scheme by their dynamic inside game. Just look at the “points in the paint”. . .

by Con-T on Feb 4, 2010 4:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ah, at this point...

who cares? They got us. We’ll see ’em again soon enough.

On to the next. A bad loss, but just one loss (on the W/L, Lucas is another matter entirely).

by rook34 on Feb 4, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right, of course

That was just a lame attempt at sarcasm on my part.

by Con-T on Feb 4, 2010 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think we just couldn't do anything right

I’m picking on the gameplan, but it could have been perfectly adequate. Whatever it was we didn’t execute it worth a hill of beans on either end of the floor. We let them score with impunity and we couldn’t shoot or hang onto the ball.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 4, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Necessity is the mother of invention...

as we’re about to find out firsthand. UW adjusted nicely to the loss of Leuer-that will work as long as the shots keep going in. Duke did the same thing in 01 when they lost Carlos Boozer.

With Lucas likely gone (at least for Saturday) we’ll see what Izzo comes up with. Could be an advantage as Weber will not have seen it.

by rook34 on Feb 4, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

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