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Here We Go Again: Oregon Reportedly Interested in Izzo

The DetNews has the story:

The University of Oregon reportedly is planning to offer Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo the largest contract in college basketball, according to a television report out of Eugene, Ore.

A source from the Oregon athletic department told television station KEZI in a report Sunday night that Nike chairman Phil Knight, an Oregon alumnus, would help back the contract.

There's not much to say here; if Izzo wants the money, he'll go, as Phil Knight surely has the wherewithal to make him a far richer man than he ever would be coaching MSU.  For now, color me skeptical.  In the past ten years, Izzo has had any number of opportunities to cash in, and one way or another, none of them have ever come to fruition.  In 2000, he turned down a 5-year, $15 million (an astronomical amount at the time) offer from the Atlanta Hawks; more recently, he was linked in 2008 with the Chicago Bulls' vacancy.  At various times, there have been rumors that he was prepared to depart for Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma State, and probably plenty of others I'm forgetting at the moment.  All of those schools would have broken the bank to get him.

The point is, if Izzo was in it purely for the money (or even if that was an overriding concern), he'd have been long gone by this point.  Oregon can pay him a ton of money, but that's not a team that's going to be good immediately, and it's not a traditional basketball power.  I'm not sure why this job is more attractive than the others he could have had, particularly since the money would have been comparable elsewhere.  Furthermore, it's another college job, and the things that frustrate Izzo about the college game would be no less present on the west coast than they are in Mid-Michigan.  This long-ish article from Steve Grinczel, written when Izzo was being considered for the Bulls job, sums up my feelings well:

According to the Yahoo! story, "Some believe he has grown restless in East Lansing." Well, if that's the case, it's not because he's got a problem with management. He works for one of his best friends in A.D. Mark Hollis, who some misguided souls think Izzo has aspirations of replacing some day – like that would ever happen. And, his relationship with president Lou Anna K. Simon couldn't be better. He's rebuilt the bridge to football, which he loves, and the relationship with Mark Dantonio and the football staff is something he enjoys immensely.

I do agree that Izzo has a general frustration with college basketball and many of the NCAA rules – the one restricting players to 20 hours of practice a week and no direct coaching contact during the off-season drive him batty – but unless there's another factor in play here, his so-called restlessness has nothing to do with the working conditions at MSU, in my opinion.

That's why I have maintained, based on my observations, that he wouldn't leave MSU for another college job regardless of stature. Sure, Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina have incomparable tradition, but eventually it would be the same job, and he'd be an outsider, to boot. I still maintain that when he leaves MSU, it will either be for the NBA or a job in broadcasting.

The whole article is worth a read, as its points are no less relevant today.  Of course, the other frustration is that, even if Izzo isn't really interested, if his past actions are any indication, he probably won't issue the outright denials that MSU fans would prefer--particularly on the eve of another Final Four appearance.  (This very topic was the subject of my first-ever blog post, internet-eons ago.)  When asked about the Bulls job two years ago, Izzo said this:

"I’m not counting out any (job openings) because you can’t," Izzo said. "College or pro.

"I go back and forth on (coaching in the NBA)," he continued. "I still think it’s the ultimate level. There is something about it. I look at it and say, ‘It’s a real challenge.’ But I love what I do too. I go down and look at what the Pistons (coaches) do in preparation and I think, ‘That’s insane.’

Other job offers--both rumored and actual--have elicited similar responses.  To some degree, Izzo's forthrightness is admirable, but the members of the Final Four media circus are far more likely to read a non-denial as a unequivocal statement of interest than, say, the local media would during the regular season.  Unless a flat denial occurs (doubtful), be prepared for this to be a dominant storyline this week.  (Even if there are clear denials, it still might be.  Thanks, Roy Williams.)

In any event, I don't think it's worth getting too worked up over at the moment, although the media frenzy that's sure to follow will make the story difficult to ignore.  For now, let's close with this tweet from Andy Katz:

Don't get: Schools/media report MSU's Tom Izzo as a candidate. He's an icon at MSU, 6 Final Fours. He's going to go to Oregon? Please.

Exactly.  (Hopefully.)

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I only needed to read a third of this post

before I got bored. Not with the post itself (good research, by the way), but with the notion of other organizations/universities trying to pry Izzo away from State. Izzo is king at MSU. He is not under-appreciated, he is not (grossly) underpaid and he is not the type to fall in love with other places on a bi-weekly basis (ahem, Petrino?). In fact, the most likely place I could ever see Izzo going (and it’s far from likely) is over to the football program. Izzo’s your coach, enjoy your bajillionth Final Four.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 29, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, Izzo...

…was pretty vociferous defending Nike from his fanbase during the great logo affair that almost no one now remembers…..

I kid. I’ll eat my hat, hell I’ll eat a maize and blue sombrero, if Izzo leaves MSU for another college job. The NBA, maybe, for the reasons Grinz lays out. But he’s green and white forever as far as college jobs go. Unless the administration were to start treating him shabbily, or something, there’s no way. This is a guy who I personally saw at the football spring game last year, talking to a tailgating fan who had an actual stuffed Wolverine on a pole.

(And let’s just note for those of us who subscribe to a dead tree version of one of the chain of newspapers that bought Grinz out. Hell of a drop-off from him to David Mayo in writing, thinking and just in-depth knowledge of MSU.)

by witless chum on Mar 29, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not a fan

His take on anything just always seems an inch deep to me. That’s compared to Rexrode, Lacy and Shelton, too. Not comparing a game story to the greats of Russian literature or anything. Maybe he’s awesome on boxing, but I wouldn’t know.

by witless chum on Mar 29, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, FWIW, I think we're massively spoiled by Rexrode.

His columns, analysis, and blog posts are always more interesting and generally better than anything else I read about MSU. (Aside from what KJ and Pete write, of course.) I’ve been waiting for the day when a bigger paper snaps him up and sends him off to cover a much bigger beat. It’ll suck when that happens, but he’s way too good for a relatively small rag like the LSJ.

by LVS on Mar 29, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Despite all of the success...

…you hear Izzo talk, and it’s clear that he still feels like there’s work to be done here. He knows MSU isn’t at the level of Kentucky, Duke, UNC. It doesn’t make sense to me that Izzo would want to leave an emerging powerhouse program to go to a middle Pac-10 school simply for the sake of more money and the opportunity to hang out at Nike HQ.

Besides, have you seen those unis? WOOF.

by Spartan-Football on Mar 29, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry but it won't happen Ducks

MSU loves Izzo. You can’t offer anything that MSU can’t at least be competitive enough so that Izzo’s 25+ years spent patrolling the sidelines here won’t override the money.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Mar 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I think most Oregon fans agree with Katz. I don’t see any way in hell that Oregon would lure Izzo away from MSU. He’s had so many chances to leave for the best money in the game, and he’d suddenly leave for Oregon?

I think Oregon is merely testing the waters with just about every big name, and this shows how far they will go to get a good coach. But hell, it doesn’t hurt to ask the best coach in the game.

As an Oregon fan, I’d be ecstatic if the Ducks were to pull in Izzo. I’ve lived in Michigan and Chicago for 8 years and followed MSU basketball pretty closely. If I could pick any coach to come to Oregon, it’d be Izzo. But that’s not gonna happen.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Mar 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't blame Oregon at all for pursuing him.

I do have to say, however, that I think it’s pretty amateur that someone in the Oregon AD’s office leaked it to the press. I think it’s much less likely that Izzo will listen seriously if the press knows what’s going on and follows every development closely, and I’d imagine that the lack of confidentiality won’t exactly help them in their efforts to persuade other big-name coaches to listen.

by LVS on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also seems like they're driving up the price they'll have to pay

if the end going after someone like Tubby Smith.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Mar 29, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Nothing special here...

…except learning that the Oregon athletic department plays in the Western Conference of glorious the Bush League.

by DP99 on Mar 29, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

If all Oregon has to offer is money

I’m sure Calipari is available. In seriousness though, good luck on getting a coach, just not ours.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMGineverheardastorylikethiseverOMGOMG!!!

…but seriously, Oregon, thanks for the laughs. It is actually a pretty dreary morning here in the Pacific Northwest otherwise.

by DP99 on Mar 29, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the "Izzo going elsewhere" window is over

He doesn’t strike me as a guy who is going to coach until he dies like Jim Calhoun. With the obvious physical toll a season of coaching takes on him, I think he’ll hang it up in five years or so. If that’s anywhere near accurate, I don’t see him using those five years building up a nothing program into a low top-25 team. If he had any desire to move to a different college team, I think ‘05-’07 was the time. If it’s a matter of money, I think MSU would be very willing to renegotiate his contract right now.

The NBA is always a possibility, but he has to know deep down that his style absolutely won’t play in the League. If he wants to try it, though, he’s more than earned that right.

by theRPS on Mar 29, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Izzo on ESPN

Linked to this in the new post that just went up, but here’s Izzo on ESPN last night (this morning?). Scroll to the bottom. Says no one’s contacted him. Solid response with no hint of interest.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Mar 29, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Here's the thing

If you’re Izzo you can’t flat out say “no interest” because you at least want to know how much it would be. It’s important to have some idea of what the market values you at.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Mar 29, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lunacy

You know the other thing is that he seems to be the happiest he’s looked in a long while. I think he’s gotta like where the program is and that Kalin is likely coming back (and a good class coming in). I mean there’s no chance right? Plus it’s fricken Oregon.

by Flying J on Mar 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Izzo's not coming out here to Oregon

This is just something to fill the bandwidth this week.

Izzo’s a great coach at a great school with a proud basketball tradition that he has taken to even new heights. And he has a better base to recruit in the Upper Midwest than he would in the sparsely populated (and beautiful!) Pacific Northwest. Coming to Oregon would be starting over in a much more difficult environment to recruit, to build tradition, etc.

College basketball is better for everyone with Izzo at Michigan St. This Duck fan is rooting for the Spartans this weekend.

by lostcauses on Mar 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Rexrode with more:

Izzo was just on a teleconference with the other Final Four coaches and was asked about Oregon. He said he hasn’t been contacted, mentioned that when you have some success “you get to be one of 10 names that pop up for something.” He then said he wouldn’t comment further during Final Four week.

Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!

by KJ@theonlycolors on Mar 29, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly.

Izzo rumors = Kirk Ferentz rumors.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Mar 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only possibility would be UCLA

The other programs that could possibly hold some allure are the true blue bloods of college basketball (and frankly I think we’re right there with most of them at this point). That would be UNC, Kansas, Indiana, UK and UCLA. UNC, Kansas, and UK all hired coaches within the past few year that are not going anywhere based on win-loss performance. Cal may wind up on the wrong side of an NCAA infraction at some point, but that is a different issue.

I don’t see Izzo taking another Big 10 job, or the job his best friend currently holds, so that rules out Indiana, leaving UCLA. If John Wooden called him, I expect Izzo would listen. I doubt he would take the job in the end, but I think he would give it consideration. Other than that there isn’t a better post in college basketball than the one he already holds.

by TheCrestedHelm on Mar 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Nike-less?

Let’s say Tom turns down the offer (which he will), what are the odds we are an Adidas team in future? ;P

by JadeMonkey23 on Mar 29, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Not them please

Adidas is cursed (look at Michigan) and their stuff does not look good. How about Puma or Under Armor? Or a local company.

This all depending on how hard Nike puts its money into stealing our coach.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Mar 29, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two words

Not.
Happening.

I could see it for an NBA job (I think his biggest strengths come into play more in the college game than the pros, but the challenge might appeal to him), but there’s no college job that would make him leave. There are maybe two or three jobs nationally that would be steps up, and all of them come with fan bases that would demand national titles yesterday. Oregon isn’t even a sideways move, it’s a backwards one. (Nothing personal, Oregon fans. But you know as well as I do that it’s true.)

by SpartanDan on Mar 29, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Unless you want to really reach into history,

I’d say UNC, possibly Duke, are the only two programs that one could say are a step-up. I don’t think Wooden and Rupp are enough to give other schools the nod. I think UNC and MSU are the two premier programs in college ball, no arguments. Another MSU Final Four coupled with a significant down year from UNC has narrowed the gap between them as well.

by intrpdtrvlr on Mar 30, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

As a career move, this doesn’t make sense. All Izzo has talked about is building a program at Michigan State that would be talked about among the elite schools. It can be argued that he has accomplished that task. To walk away now just doesn’t seem like a Tom Izzo move, with his sense of loyalty.
Beyond that, I would imagine that it would take at least five years to build a solid program at Oregon. He likes March too much to be spending them as a guest commentator on CBS broadcasts.

by donaldo on Mar 30, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

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