Into the Bulldogs' Backyard: Michigan State-Butler Preview
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6:07 P.M. (ET), SATURDAY
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Bulldog bullets:
- Overall record of 32-4; a perfect 18-0 in Horizon League (also won conference tournament). Riding a 24-game winning streak.
- How they got here: Beat #12 UTEP 77-59 (67 possessions), beat #13 Murray State 54-52 (58 possessions), beat #1 Syracuse 63-59 (63 possessions), beat #2 Kansas State 63-56 (64 possessions).
- Regular season quality wins: Northwestern (away), UCLA (neutral), Ohio State (home), Xavier (home), Wright State (three times), Siena (home).
- Regular season
badlosses: Minnesota, Clemson, Georgetown, UAB (away; all others neutral). - KenPom ranking of #12: #46 on offense, #6 on defense.
- Eight players averaging 10 or more minutes per game.
- Head coach Brad Stevens likes the new-fangled numbers, which helps explain his shiny career record of 88-14. (I'll try not to reveal too much, in case he's reading.)
Statistical capsule for the five Butler starters after the jump:
| Player | Height | Weight | Year | Min/G | Pts/G | OffRtg | Poss% | 2pt% | 3pt% | FT% | Oreb% | Dreb% | Ast/G | TO/G | Blk/G | Stl/G |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ronald Nored | 6'0" | 178 | So | 29.4 | 5.4 | 96.0 | 16.5 | .504 | .182 | .612 | 2.6 | 9.4 | 3.7 | 1.9 | 0.1 | 1.6 |
| Shelvin Mack | 6'3" | 214 | So | 30.8 | 14.1 | 108.5 | 24.9 | .509 | .386 | .736 | 2.3 | 12.8 | 3.1 | 2.1 | 0.1 | 1.3 |
| Willie Veasley | 6'3" | 204 | Sr | 30.8 | 6.1 | 106.4 | 17.4 | .617 | .369 | .647 | 6.2 | 11.4 | 1.0 | 1.8 | 0.3 | 1.1 |
| Gordon Hayward | 6'8" | 200 | So | 33.1 | 15.2 | 113.9 | 24.4 | .608 | .295 | .827 | 8.0 | 23.3 | 1.8 | 2.2 | 0.8 | 1.1 |
| Matt Howard | 6'8" | 230 | Jr | 25.7 | 10.2 | 112.8 | 24.3 | .504 | .273 | .792 | 9.3 | 16.8 | 0.9 | 1.6 | 0.6 | 0.6 |
That's not your run-of-the-mill mid-major Cinderella résumé. Butler now has four wins over KenPom top-10 teams, and they've absolutely taken care of business elsewhere. All four of their losses were away from home in games played in a previous calendar year. Three of the losses were to NCAA Tournament teams; the other was to an NIT team.
Oversimplification: This team is Northern Iowa--a team that slows the game down, plays disciplined defense, doesn't allowed second chances, and utilizes two legitimate low-post threats on offense--on steroids.
Let's start on the less scary side of the ball--offense. Butler really excels only at two things (although they're two pretty good things to excel at): they score efficient inside the arc and they score a lot of points from the free throw line. The Bulldogs have made 51.8% of their 2-point attempts this year. They're led in that department by Gordon Hayward, who's made 60.8% of his 199 two-point attempts. For some reason, Hayward drifts away from the basket quite a bit--taking 149 shots from beyond the arc--despite carrying a much less efficient 3-point shooting percentage of 29.5% (although he did shoot 44.8% from 3-point range as a freshman).
When the Bulldogs aren't converting field goals around the basket, they're getting fouled in the process of attempting those field goals. Matt Howard leads the way here, with a whopping free throw rate of 85.4 and a healthy free throw percentage of 79.2%. As a team, Butler ranks 15th in the nation in free throw rate and 31st in free throw percentage.
Like our friends in Madison, the Bulldogs eschew the offensive board to prevent transition scoring opportunities for their opponents. They're up and down in the turnover department and don't normally light things up from beyond the arc.
The success of the Bulldog offense revolves around the Mack/Hayward/Howard trio. KenPom labels all three as "major contributors." The other two starters are "role players." And the guys coming off the bench have "limited roles." Howard's struggled with foul trouble of late, though, and is averaging just 7.8 points/game in NCAA Tournament play. That's left Hayward (16.0 points/game) and Mack (16.5 points/game) to keep the team afloat on offense during the tournament run. Despite a 1-10 three-point shooting performance against the Syracuse 2-3 zone, Mack is still shooting 46.4% (13-28) from long distance in the tournament. Tom Izzo's game plan will almost certainly revolve around forcing the Bulldog role players to beat MSU on offense.
It's a testament to just how good the Butler defense is that the team has advanced this far despite being held below a point per possession in each of their last three games, playing against two top-15 offenses in the process. The Bulldog defensive style is both highly conventional and highly effective. They force tough shots (46.0 Opp 2pt%, 31.7 Opp 3pt%) and then they clean up the misses and head down to the other end of the court. Hayward leads the way on the defensive glass, but everyone chips in. The Bulldogs also force a decent amount of turnovers with an extended man-to-man defense, and they don't foul all that much.
Mr. Gasaway's scouting report on the Bulldog defense:
That being said, Butler's team defense is predicated less on total Nored-like blanket coverage from five players and more on either forcing turnovers or, failing that, making role players on the opposing team take jump shots. The Bulldogs' tournament opponents have given the ball away on one in every four trips, but when those vanquished foes held onto the thing they actually fared OK, averaging 1.19 points per effective (TO-less) possession. For comparison's sake, West Virginia ranks first in this stat in Indy, allowing just 1.13 points per effective trip. (Michigan State's D is last at 1.26 but, again, MSU is currently doing its best Florida 2007 impression, outscoring opponents and not sweating nerd candy like "defense.")
Small ray of hope: The Bulldogs don't block that many shots (277th nationally in block%). That's good news for Raymar Morgan and Draymond Green--our tenacious but somewhat underheighted post threats. It's just a matter of getting them the ball without turning it over.
The other hope, of course, is that MSU will be able to impose its single elite-level offensive skill on the Bulldogs and score some second-chance points. That didn't happen against Northern Iowa, but UNI was one of just two opponents to hold the Spartans below an offensive rebounding percentage of 30.0 this season. The unstoppable force needs to overcome the immovable object for MSU to put up an efficient offensive performance.
Beyond that, it simply comes down to execution. Korie Lucious has to handle and distribute the ball efficiently. Durrell Summers has to keep knocking down jumpshots. And Green and Morgan have to continue asserting themselves in the lane to create scoring opportunities for themselves and their teammates. There aren't a lot of other options left. If one of those four guys has an off night, maybe the team's role players can scrape together enough points to compensate. If two of the four healthy core players struggle, it's almost certainly the end of the line.
The wild card is Chris Allen. Hopefully, with a full five days of rest, the situation with his arch will be more workable. Allen has the potential to take some of the ball-handling burden off Lucious' back and be a second threat to knock down some 3-pointers so that Ronald Nored and the Bulldog defense can't focus too intently on Summers.
KenPom is predicting a 64-62 Butler win in 63 possessions. The guys in Vegas think it'll be the Bulldogs by 1 or 1.5. If anything, I'd lean a little further in the Bulldogs' direction given that the KenPom calculations don't account for Kalin Lucas' absence. I also wonder how much longer the Lucious/Summers/Green/Morgan quartet can keep up their collective run of assertive-but-steady play.
On the other hand, there are some intangibles that may work in MSU's favor. I don't tend to talk about (or put much weight on) intangibles, but I do think the Final Four is a whole new ballgame. On the Spartan side, you've got a core of players that have been here before and shouldn't be intimated by the setting. Morgan has now played in 15 career NCAA Tournament games, Allen and Summers have played in 13, and the team's sophomores (Green/Lucious/Delvon Roe) have played in 10.
Given the generally slow tempo the Bulldogs play at (64.5/possessions per game on an adjusted basis), Tom Izzo shouldn't have to rely on less experienced players for a lot of minutes. Derrick Nix and Garrick Sherman will play whatever minutes Roe's knee won't allow him to, Mike Kebler spelling Lucious for a bit in each half, and Austin Thornton will come in to dive for a few loose balls and maybe knock down a jumper or two for a few minutes.
The only flaw in this plan is if the Bulldogs' propensity to draw fouls sends any of MSU's major contributors to the bench for extended periods. (Also, beware the flop.) We say see more of Nix and Sherman early to absorb some fouls. That would also allow Morgan to play mainly at the 3 spot and try to take advantage of a potential size mismatch against one of Butler's three guards.
On the other side, the Butler players being so close to home could be a double-edged sword, with the pressure of playing in the program's first-ever Final Four in front of so many hometown fans (and media members) creating a little anxiety for the relatively young Bulldog squad (three sophomores in the starting lineup).
(Plus, as noted by LVS last night, Hayward has to go do math on Friday. Hopefully, the topic is the Möbius strip, and Hayward's mental wiring goes haywire trying to wrap his mind around the concept.)
Intangible working against us: The real Jimmy Chitwood played at Butler. Ironically, it's our coach who was recently seen shouting, "My team is on the floor!" (well, figuratively at least).
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Great game against two teams playing their finest basketball OR
I can’t shake this feeling that either team might come out and perform at a level below what they have been. MSU because they’ve clearly stepped up multiple notches to make this run and you never know how long it can be maintained. Butler because, really, I could see the pressure, spotlight, and changes in routine finally spooking them.
Or not; it might be an epic titantic game of two excellent teams.
My only other thought is that I wonder if this is a rare “Sherman game.” I’ve been appreciating his moves to the basket and chemistry with Green off passes. Perhaps he can help a bit on both ends in this one. We’ll see.
Eh
If Butler was to get spooked on a big stage it would have happened last week against Cuse or K-State. I think that they should come out and play like it is a home game. I doubt either team plays bad.
"Not stoppin' there, that's not in store. Push it to the limit, we want more."
-Gordon Hayward a.k.a. G-Time
Dude
It only has one side. How… I can’t… I don’t… no more basketball until I get this.
The Spartans win this game if they repeatedly go inside on offense. You can’t really make jump shots on Nored/Mack/Veasley, and the rebounds need to stay close to the rim to be an advantage. They aren’t very deep bigs-wise, so if Nix/Sherman/Morgan/Green/Roe are willing to interior pass (an underrated strength of this team) and muck it up inside, MSU can do a lot of work in the paint. Lucious/Summers/Allen need to commit to the dribble drive and only put up wide open threes and open 12-footers. If they start missing a ton, and piling up one-and-dones, Butler has a good shot to open up a quick 10 or 12 point lead. Butler with a double-digit lead is big trouble.
Experience
I think this is a game where the tournament experience of the players and the coach is worth 5-8 points. It will be important to neutralize the crowd with a good start and take care of the basketball.
This team has found its heart and that has enabled it to compensate for injuries. Heart is also worth a handful of points a game. I like that we enter as the underdog. I’m not sure how we’ll do it, but I have a good feeling that we will find a way.
Agreed
There are numbers that back up the idea that players shoot worse in large football arenas than in normally basketball fitted locations. Sight lines, lighting and spacing become harder. MSU has played a lot more games over the last two years in that situation than Butler has.
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
How can one be proud of being a "flopper"?
I don’t see flopping as “gamesmanship”, floppers are pansies.
My only hope is that the games referee’s have read that article.
Agreed on all counts
I’ve long said that egregious serial floppers should be T’d up. Technicals are given for unsportsmanlike conduct, and faking to convince the referees to make the wrong call is definitely unsportsmanlike. There’s precedent in soccer (“simulation” is worth a yellow card) and hockey (“diving” earns you two minutes to feel shame).
Gamesmanship is making the other guy screw up because you’re in his head. And that’s fine. Doing the same to the refs, however, can and should be punished.
I generally like our chances
against teams that can’t throw a lot of size at us. It allows us to play Green alot, which is good for our efficiency on both ends. I hope we can get effective minutes out of Roe/Nix/Sherman and go somewhat big against them with Morgan at the 3. If they are forced to guard either him or Green with a 6’3" guy, it could be trouble for them. That would also be the lineup that gives us our best chance to win the battle of the boards. Morgan staying out of foul trouble and hanging onto the ball will be a key.
Butler is really good defending the three, so I doubt anyone will really go off from there. It will be key to get the ball down low and not turn it over. Hopefully Lucious and the rest of our guards will continue their careful ball handling (at least careful by regular season standards). They like to turn teams over, and play that deliberate half court D that tends to give us trouble. That is my main concern.
I agree that interior passing could be key, as they will have a difficult time playing straight up against three players that go 6’6" or better, so will likely have to help on whichever guy their undersized guard is playing. Hopefully that will lead to some easy looks around the basket. It also may lead to relatively close in jumpers for Green and Roe against a guy who should not have the height to bother their shot. Hopefully they can knock those down.
On defense we just have to play sound on the interior and make sure we stay out of foul trouble if possible – their bigs all have high free throw percentages so keeping them out of the bonus for as long as possible would be nice. That said, their bigs also shoot well fromt the field so we don’t just want to concede baskets.
In theory their 3 guard lineup could produce mismatches for them to exploit on the perimeter against a 3 bigs lineup. However, Nored is only shooting 18 percent from three point land, so in theory we should be able to put Green/Morgan on him. Either guy should, in theory, be able to lay off on the perimeter and just swallow him up if he drives the lane. I can see this game going either way – they are very good, and I generally like teams that play better D in these games. Statistically they are better than us on that end of the floor. We do have the intangible of tournament experience on our side. So long as we can avoid one of those meltdowns we are prone to from time to time, we should be able to keep it close – in which case hopefully we can find another rabbit to pull out of our hat at the end of the game. After all, Magic is on our side.
If "Bulldog Bullets" isn't already a Butler blog
you should buy that domain name. It’s excellent.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Charity stripe
The strength-against-strength battle that’s getting the most attention is the rebounding contest on MSU’s offensive end. But perhaps the more important one will be Butler’s free-throw shooting prowess against MSU’s weird anti-free-throw-shooting defensive mojo. This season Butler has scored fully one quarter of their points at the line, 16th highest in the country and a higher percentage than any other team in the tourney seeded lower than 15. Besides free-throws Butler’s offense was mostly 3-pointers this year (only 44.9% of their points from twos, #326 in the country). Their offense is almost Bizarro-MSU: high free-throw rate, lots of threes and no offensive boards. MSU’s defense, on the other hand has allowed opponents to score only 19% of their points at the line, and that despite these opponents hitting a scorching 71% of their attempts. MSU’s strange fouling profile is discussed here. Basically, they foul a lot without yielding a lot of free-throw attempts. So the flip side of this could be that they further deplete their depleted lineup by getting into foul trouble, even if they’re not sending Butler to the line. But, not sending them to the line does seem to be a big deal and would be a positive in any case.
Nice analysis
I’d forgotten about our no-foul shots defense. If we can keep them off the line I like our chances better. If they are in the double bonus with 10 minutes to go we may have problems.
by TheCrestedHelm on Apr 2, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions

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