Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere: Mapping Tom Izzo's Non-Conference Scheduling
"I just never want to be on Dick Vitale's 'cream puff' scheduling list," Izzo joked. "But many years ago we took on the 'any time, any where' theory of playing people and it's kind of stayed with me."
Conventional wisdom suggests that Tom Izzo's long-held philosophy of scheduling the best has paid off in two distinct ways. First, Michigan State basketball fans have been fortunate not only to have cheered on some of the best teams in school history, but also to have seen them play against many of college basketball's best. Second, playing a tough out-of-conference schedule has prepared Spartan teams for the postseason--both in terms of getting in (the tangible benefits of high strength-of-schedule and RPI ratings) and increasing NCAA tournament success (the intangible benefits of playing against the best in the regular season).
Per njd's suggestion--and in the spirit of seizing every semi-reasonable posting subject idea during the long, awful offseason--we here at TOC, Inc. present Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere, a comprehensive map of all the quality OOC games MSU has played under Tom Izzo:
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Explanations and caveats: green pins represent regular season wins, red pins represent regular season losses, yellow pins represent postseason wins, and purple pins represent postseason defeats. I've broken them down that way because Izzo usually has control over who he plays in the regular season but not in the postseason. My selection criteria for what games to include was sort of arbitrary: I included games against all BCS conferences, plus games against notable smaller conference schools (Gonzaga, BYU, etc.). All postseason games were included, and, as this is designed to show discretionary scheduling results, conference games are excluded. Also, it's worth zooming in on the map, as it seems that Google Maps has an unfortunate tendency to favor red pins over green pins when both exist in the same spot -- making MSU's performance look worse from 50,000 feet than it really is. For instance, the default zoom shows only one red pin over Lexington, Kentucky; you'd need to zoom in all the way to see 2003's green dot, courtesy of Tim Bograkos. So, click through to the larger map to see listings and scores for each individual game.
My own observations, after the jump.
- State's record against quality OOC competition since 1995-96 is 71-47 (.602). That total includes wins against the entire who's-who of college basketball: Arkansas, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, UConn, Florida, Syracuse, Maryland, Arizona, Stanford, UCLA, Duke, Texas, and many more. I doubt that any other program can match that list of wins in the last 15 years.
- Since 1995-96, MSU is 16-3 against quality competition at the Breslin Center. The only three losses: a 56-54 loss to Temple in 1997, a 76-75 loss to Syracuse, the eventual national champions, in 2003 (where Carmelo Anthony baaaaarely outdueled Chris Hill in the best basketball game I've ever seen in person), and the embarrassing 72-50 Big Ten-ACC Challenge loss to Duke in 2003. Wins have come against North Carolina, UCLA, Kentucky, UConn, Louisville, and Gonzaga, among others.
- Records against the other big conferences (though I'm sure I've made at least one counting error):
-- ACC: 9-15. Bleh. Izzo started out 0-5 and has been steadily working back since then, with famous victories (UNC in 2000, Duke in '05, Maryland this year) being offset by epically awful losses (UNC, each time).
-- SEC: 12-4. Simply gaudy.
-- Pac-10: 6-4. Surprising that there haven't been more than 10 games in 15 years.
-- Big 12: 13-8. Lots of games against Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Kansas, and a number of impressive victories.
-- Big East: 9-5. Bunch of games against Syracuse, UConn, and Seton Hall, and few others. - Records against notable teams:
-- North Carolina: 2-7, with the last victory coming in 2000. Clearly, the Tar Heels are Tom Izzo's greatest bugaboo.
-- Duke: 1-4. Next season's game at Cameron Indoor Stadium will be the first matchup against Duke since the 2005 NCAA Tournament, a game you may very well remember.
-- Kentucky: 4-2, including two epic NCAA tournament victories ('99 and '05).
-- Kansas: 3-1. The only loss was in 2003 at Allen Fieldhouse.
-- UCLA: 1-2. The 2007 game still stings.
-- Syracuse: 1-3. A Sweet Sixteen dismantling of the then-Orangemen in 2000, followed by 3 losses of varying competitiveness.
-- Connecticut: 2-1. Including them is really just an excuse to link to this video.
-- Texas: 3-3, including an immensely frustrating NCAA Tournament loss in 2003. MSU will have the chance to take the upper hand in the series this December at the Breslin Center.
-- Gonzaga: 3-1. Sadly, the most memorable game was almost certainly the loss.
-- Virginia: 1-0-1, including the only tie (or at least, no-decision) on the ledger, the bizarre game in 2003 that had to be called because the floor was sopping wet.
-- Arizona: 2-2, including a brutal shellacking in the 2001 Final Four. - Finally, two quick thoughts. This little project confirms that the the nadir of MSU basketball under Tom Izzo indeed happened in 2003-04. What an awful year: losses to Kansas, Duke, Oklahoma, Kentucky, UCLA, and Syracuse, and a first round NCAA exit at the hands of Nevada. (And the map doesn't even reveal the blowout in Champaign, and the absolutely brutal losses to Wisconsin.) Granted, that's an absolute terror of a schedule, and probably the most difficult a Tom Izzo team has faced -- but the team's poor showing that season might not be coincidental. The '03-04 team clearly wasn't ready to face such a schedule, and it seems like the gauntlet might have hurt--not helped--them. MSU's OOC schedules since them have been tough, but never as overwhelming as that one; it seems like Izzo might have learned a lesson to turn it down a notch or two. Also, the map reveals just how good the 1999-2000 and 2000-01 teams were 20-3 in games against quality OOC competition and in post-season games. The less-heralded 2000-01 team beat UNC, Florida, and Kentucky; the Final Four blowout loss against Arizona (in what KJ calls "the first turnover implosion game of the Izzo era") has to be considered one of the most disappointing of the Izzo era.
And now, a question for you: what team would you like to see MSU play that we haven't yet played in the Izzo era? It's a tough answer because we've played almost all the historically great college basketball teams in the last 15 years. To me, the only obvious answer is Georgetown. In any event, it seems obvious that MSU is now indisputably one of the great college basketball teams because we haven't shied away from playing other great basketball teams.
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Marquette, Notre Dame and Cincinnati and Xavier.
Georgetown would be great, obviously. I would love to see some home and home series against some of the better non-Big Ten teams in the Midwest region. This would fit very well with Izzo’s regional recruiting strategy and be easy travel sites for the fanbase. Not to mention that most years these would be very good non-conference tests.
Teams we need to play more
Missouri – Always exciting, great full court press.
NC StateWake/Duke/Carolina – It’d be nice for Izzo to improve his record against ACC foes… and so I can go to a game.
Kentucky/Kansas – If we want to be elite, we need to beat the elite (or at least the perceived elite).
Syracuse – In agreement with LVS… I went to that Melo v. Hill in 2003. Classic. That and contributing to another Syracuse season missing the tournament is fun.
Agreed on Marquette, Notre Dame, Cincinnati and Xavier.
Notre Dame
is unlikely to happen because someone there still holds a grudge against our program for ousting them from the tournament in 1979. Either that or Mike Brey just doesn’t want us on his non-conference schedule. I’m pretty sure Izzo has been open to making a game with them happen but there just doesn’t seem to be any interest on their end.
Marquette, Cinci, and Xavier would all be fun games. Georgetown would be great, and assuming Huggins continues to have success, West Virginia might be another fun one to schedule. I would not mind having Texas drop off the schedule for a while – not that we haven’t had success against them but it seems like we’ve played them every year for the past half decade.
Other candidates
I agree that we can retire Texas for awhile. For teams we have not played during the Izzo era, how about the Cal Bears?
I’m also very interested in having a home/home series with teams we have only played in the tournament such as Louisville, Memphis, Tennessee and Pitt. I would prefer any of these four before Georgetown. Georgetown is ok but not exciting (similar to cal but I’m from the bay area so I prefer cal).
Not a powerhouse, but.....
……I’d love to see us play San Diego State (preferably in SoCal)
1) MSU never plays in SoCal (last time was UCLA in 2003) . There are about 4000 alumni in San Diego County and a ton more in OC and LA, so there would be a huge green & white showing for the game
2) Steve Fisher needs a good a$$-kicking, for old times’ sake
UNLV
Haven’t played them under Izzo, it’s a program with tradition that has regained respectability recently, and last but certainly not least, it’s a built-in excuse to make a trip to Vegas. Win-win-win.
In fact, UNLV is the only team to have won a national championship in the last 20 years (1990) that MSU has not played under Izzo.
Villanova?
Villanova, Connecticut and Georgetown seem like obvious choices (albeit very different styles). I would love to beat up on the Big East.
by RobbingGormanThomas on May 19, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
I'd like to spread it out
A few more Pac-10 teams; we’ve really been going heavy on the Big XII (the four-year Texas series and games against Kansas). Don’t think we’ve scheduled one since Stanford and UCLA ‘04-05 (though we’ve hit a couple in early-season tourneys and USC in the big one). Tennessee would be a good one too; aside from the tourney we’ve played Florida and Kentucky a bunch but not the Vols.
As for smaller but still noteworthy games, UNLV would be a good choice. They and Villanova are the only 64-team era national champions we have not yet faced under Izzo. I like the Missouri Valley series we’ve been doing (and more importantly, that we’re willing to do home-and-home with them), but it might be time to switch it up and go to the A-10 for a couple years (Xavier, Dayton, or Temple).
We actually played Villanova
in the 2002 Great Alaska Shootout—an 81-73 loss.
I like the UNLV idea. Any excuse to go to Las Vegas is a good excuse indeed.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
Also agreed on the Melo-Hill game
First MSU game I ever attended (was on a visit to campus at the time). The ’07 Wisconsin game might top it only because we won, but if I were a neutral fan the Cuse game would beat it easily.
On ND
I think that the second reason posited by Crested Helm is the more accurate. A few years ago Brey scheduled a home and home with UM and gave as his reason the proximity of the two schools. He can’t use that as an excuse to avoid MSU. I think his real reason is that he doesn’t need to see his slow inept players exposed in non-conference play. He knows that an MSU game would be 1) nationally televised and 2) a major beatdeown laid on his team, whether the game was in South Bend or MSU. Combine the two and it’s a bad recruiting tool.
ND, ND, ND.
F’n pansies have been ducking us since 1975. That was the last time we’ve played them in a regularly scheduled game. 1979 was just a happy accident. Think about it (as I’ve posted many other places)…we’ve played them 95 some odd times historically, but not once scheduled in the last 35 years. They could even set up a 4 game series. Once in EL, once in South Bend, once in Chicago and once at Madison Square Garden…

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