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The foul thing

has always confounded me a bit as well. It makes sense if it’s just a minute or two so the coach can get the player settled/ yell at them to be more careful. Like Raymar and making sure he avoids early fouls. But beyond that, extended rests make little sense.

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by Seer on May 20, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Another factor

One of the points that wasn’t raised in the ESPN blog in favor of resting the player with foul trouble: if you leave the player in the game, your opponent can try to capitalize on his foul trouble by going right at him. This almost always leads to the player being more tentative on defense, because at that point, he’s just trying to avoid another foul instead of playing regular defense.

by Ducking Delvon on May 21, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The guy who wrote the original post

has a rebuttal of that very point – basically that you are likely to be better off with a tentative star than without the star on the floor at all. In some cases with a particularly foul-prone player, he argues that you might even be better off if the guy plays tentatively on D because that leads to fewer foul shots for the opponent.

A major factor is who you can bring off the bench to replace the guy in foul trouble. If you are swapping a tentative Morgan out for, say, Austin Thornton, maybe you’d be better off leaving Morgan in (no offense intended to him whatsoever). If you can bring Green off the bench then the dropoff is not so much and you’re better with the replacement player, than the starter playing tentatively. Both players are pretty equal playing at full intensity, so Green at full intensity > Morgan playing tentatively.

by TheCrestedHelm on May 21, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little late to the conversation, but it's the slow season.

I think you are hitting on the key point. From an optimization theory standpoint, a star player in foul trouble should adjust his style to try to maximize the amount of remaining impact he can have on the game. That is, he’s got to continue to contribute while not fouling so much. Presumably this adjustment is at some cost to his contribution. For example, he can’t really challenge his man while on defense – and the other team knows this and is likely to go at him. And he’s got to avoid being very aggressive on offense, since defenders are likely to flop on him.

So the question becomes, is his replacement off the bench able to contribute more than the starter in his (reduced) role? That’s where having Green .

College basketball isn’t game theory of course. Here are two more wrenches to the economists that I haven’t seen in this thread. First, regular season games are at least partly educational for players and their coaches. Certainly Izzo uses the preseason that way. He might put Austin Thornton in to play significant minutes against a big time opponent just to see how Austin does – and so Austin can see how Austin does. It creates teachable moments for the guy on the court – and for the guy on the bench with 2 fouls. Bob Knight used to say that nothing got his players’ attention like a good benching (actually his direct quote is much better than that, if more explicit). Frankly, Izzo doesn’t seem to care that much about beating Texas in December. He’s doing his best to make sure they beat Tennessee in March. A longer and deeper bench makes that more likely.

Second, how does a college player know how much to dial it back when he’s in foul trouble? That article presumes that the player will make the right choice – but he might pick up foul number 4 30 seconds later, or he might play so tentatively that he’s a complete liability. These are 20 year olds – they just don’t make optimal decisions on a regular basis. Maybe there’s a better argument at the professional level – a 10-year NBA player ought to be capable of the right adjustment – but for a college player? Not sure it’s that simple.

by nothsa on May 24, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I admit

One more factor I ignored is that is the game is tight at the end, you’ll regret not having your best player available.

Then again, one has to question whether points at the end of the game are more valuable in decision making than points in the middle of the game.

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by Seer on May 21, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's the key question

Are you better off playing the star in foul trouble and trying to build a lead? Or is there a psychological regression to the mean over the course of games (which seems intuitively true, but may or may not be empirically true) such that you should make sure the star is on the floor in the final minutes?

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by KJ@theonlycolors on May 21, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

New Seating

I am real glad they moved the seating. I thought it was always dumb that you couldn’t see the student section on TV. I think it will make the Breslin seem much more intimidating when you can see the Students this year.

by kasperb on May 21, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

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