Tom Izzo Speaks. Very Briefly. And We Start Thinking About Potential Successors.
"It's not gonna be forever, that's for sure." [On the timetable for making a decision]
"I feel bad about this. I feel bad about all this stuff. But I do feel good that I did what I had to do." [On talking to Cleveland]
"I appreciate the kids. I always have." [On last night's rally]
The first quote would indicate this thing probably isn't going to drag out past Monday. He's going to make a decision not knowing for sure where LeBron James will play next season. The fact that the Cleveland brass doesn't appear to all be on the same page in terms of Izzo being the first choice could also work to our advantage--although the owner's preference is almost certainly going to trump the (brand new) GM's. Sure seems like the worst case scenario with the Cavaliers has to a be a concern for Izzo: coaching a team in rebuilding mode without the full support of the personnel team.
You can also spin the second quote positively from our perspective. It sounds an awful lot like "He owes it to himself to do his due diligence."
The third quote is perhaps the most concerning. As LVS noted last night, the use of the past tense at the end makes the statement sound somewhat wistful.
As LVS also noted, the time for parsing statements may be over. Now it's up to Tom Izzo and his family to take some time and figure out what makes the most sense for their future.
At this point, I don't think I'm a reliable analyst any more in term of providing an objective assessment of the situation. My glasses are too Pantone Matching System Color 567-tinted, and, despite a full night's sleep, my brain is still fairly fried. That said, I think it's probably a coin flip.
We're now at the point that talking about potential successors is a rational activity. My stupendous preliminary opinions:
- If it's going to be someone from the Izzo coaching tree, it's going to be Brian Gregory. Tom Crean is already coaching one of the most storied programs in the history of the sport--and he's got a $3.0 million buyout. Jim Boylen would have been a plausible option a year ago, but I don't see it now. Stan Heath has turned USF into a competitive (middle-of-the-pack) Big East team, but was a flop at Arkansas before that. Doug Wojcik has been solid at Tulsa, but has yet to do anything eye-popping.
- Promoting the top assistant when there's not a planned transition (as there was from Heathcote to Izzo) rarely works out. I have nothing against Mark Montgomery, but it just doesn't make sense to hand the reins of a nationally-contending basketball program over to someone without any head coaching experience. What's the upside over bringing in Gregory? Personal connections with the current players? That's an advantage for maybe one season, and you can't make this decision based on one season, regardless of how much promise that season holds.
- Scott Skiles does not make sense. He's connected to MSU, but not to Izzo's coaching philosophy, so it does nothing to smooth the transition.
- Bill Self is not leaving Kansas.
- I think Mark Hollis should take a hard look at one or more coaches from outside the MSU family. Three guys with very good track records of success nationally, whose current employers probably couldn't match MSU's financial resources: Brad Stevens, Jamie Dixon, Mark Few. Few might play too fast; Stevens might play too slow; Dixon probably plays just right (with a similar emphasis on rebounding).
- Still, Stevens should definitely be in the mix. Winning slow beats losing fast. He's a Midwest guy. Smart as heck. He just signed an extension with Butler, but that has to be at least partly a function of waiting for a plum job to open up, rather than making the kind of mistake Todd Lickliter did when he left Butler for Iowa. The 12-year term of Stevens' recent contract extension is meaningless; the question is the buyout amount, which appears to be unknown.
- At the end of the day, Brian Gregory will be the heavy favorite when/if Hollis gets to the point of having to replace a legend. He'd be a solid choice. But he's not a slam dunk. As I pointed out on Tuesday, he's only been to the NCAA Tournament twice in seven years, the first appearance occurring in his first season with the Flyers. And he's only posted winning records in Atlantic 10 play three times in those seven seasons. (I was going to point out that Iowa didn't pick him for their job, but apparently that wasn't the case.) If there is a coaching search, it needs to be a multi-candidate search befitting the kind of program Tom Izzo has turned MSU into.
OK, enough of that. First, I tell you Izzo's comments can be read to indicate he's leaning toward staying. Then I launch into a full-fledged analysis of potential successors. I've officially lost it.
On to the World Cup. (For now.)
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Obviously, someone will take the job and eagerly
But I would fear for anyone coaching next year’s Spartans not named Tom Izzo. Those are some gigantic shoes you can’t even hope to fill. Carving out your own identity and really taking over the program will probably be a painful process.
I have no idea what's going to happen
I’ve said all along that he wouldn’t take the job with out knowing about Lebron’s future, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. It really is a coin flip right now.
Dixon would be my 1st choice if Izzo did leave. He’s had some very good Pitt teams with out getting top notch recruits.
Probably
But that’s the state we’re at in this process—reading too much into every word.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If he does leave...
..id like to see a run at Mark Few from Gonzaga as well.
by BennieBladesFan on Jun 11, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
Interesting. Lots of IU fans seem to believe that Crean would be likely to take the job. I tend to think it’s unlikely, but not impossible, that he would jump.
The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog
by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Jun 11, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions
IU would basically have to want to let him go
To go after Stevens no doubt.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh oh...
JimComparoni
Izzo canceled golf in Lansing today. Very bad sign for msu.
JimComparoni
msu football coaches are at lansing country club. he was supposed to golf with dantonio today. msu fball coaches say it doesn’t look good
JimComparoni
rumor from msu athletic dept people of a 4 pm presser. i haven’t heard yet
Last night's remarks
Actually, what Izzo said last night upon returning actually makes me feel a bit more optimistic that he’ll stay (and that is not how my feelings had been trending of late): it is a faint glimmer of optimism, mind you. It suggests that he is fully cognizant of the anxiety he is causing Spartan Nation, is aware of how this “looks” to the fan base caught in the ebb and flow of rumor, and that even he is growing somewhat weary of the process (“It’s not going to be forever, that’s for sure”). The more he is thinking about the reaction back in EL, the better our chances of keeping him. Reading “I did what I had to do” as “I owed it to myself, my family, and my friend to explore this offer” might seem charitable, but not out of the realm of possibility: and to feel “good” that you did it suggests that he feels the coming decision—that will not last “forever”—can be fully informed and weighed. Given that he seems intent to NOT show his hand, it would seem unlikely that “I do feel good that I did what I had to do” means he feels that Cleveland is a job offer he cannot refuse.
A willful interpretation, no doubt, but one that coaxes me through the waiting. Like most basketball coaches, Izzo seems like a guy who doesn’t like uncertainty, disorder, chance, etc., and the more we hear about this situation in Cleveland, the more dizzying the permutations (e.g. Lebron’s uncertain free agency; the split between ownership and the “basketball people” about direction; rumors of shipping off Williams and West, etc.); on the other hand, MSU offers a reliable constant (“I appreciate the kids. I always have.”). Okay, that’s the best I can do…..sigh.
by RobbingGormanThomas on Jun 11, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
This was my exact train of though
after catching up this morning on all of last night’s reports.
It's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Jun 11, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I will eagerly buy this line of thinking
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Ugh
I agree that canceling golf is not a good sign.
Unless he wants to get it resolved and announced that he's staying.
Who knows. Just spinnin’.
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno about that
I mean, he does have a lot going on right now.
by Kurt Mensching on Jun 11, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
"No comment on the Cavs right now, guys"
“Now, watch me hit this drive.”
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Completely and wholly unsubstantiated rumors of a 4pm press conference. Reality of PC and content unknown.
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, clarification
Being reported as rumor by Jim Comparoni of SpartanMag (Rivals). FWIW.
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured this was yesterday's news
of the 5:00pm text message, but I guess this is a fresh one this morning.
It's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Jun 11, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Self
Do you really think Self is off the board w/ the BXII imploding and Kansas seemingly relegated to MWC status?
The possibilities are almost limitless
The Self-Actualized, The Self-Centered, The Self-Fulfilling, The Self-Righteous Section. If Izzo departs we should go after him, if for no other reason than the fun that could be had naming the student section.
I do
Kansas will land somewhere in a BCS-level league. Kansas AD resigning, which will leave Self in a position of even more influence. Makes too much money for MSU to get in bidding war, so he’d REALLY have to want out at Kansas.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
If there was any time to hire away a coach from Kansas
This is it, though I can appreciate your skepticism.
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
How much...
…does that matter for basketball?
KU and KSU, plus Mizzou (I don’t think they’re getting a Big 10 invite) and Baylor added to the MWC wouldn’t be a bad basketball conference. It’d be nice to have the Kansas schools in the Mountain West, too, because that’d be one quarter that couldn’t give us any crap about being called the Big 10 with some number of teams that isn’t 10.
by witless chum on Jun 11, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Who cares about Self?
The guy is as slimy as they come. His championship team was full of shady characters… got Mario Chalmers by paying his dad instead of the player (hired him as ‘direct of basketball operations’ while the kid was at the school)… i think it was Arthur or something who cheated to get into college (had state championships stripped from him … still don’t get why it didn’t affect his college eligibility like Derrick Roses cheating did).
Funny, Hondo tells us to relax!
Really? Relax, right now?
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Golf Outing
Don’t think it’s a bad sign that he canceled showing up to that. There’s usually some media at these as invitees. No way he wants to be making appearances with this stuff out there.
Obviously the reaction from the football staff is a lot more concerning.
I need to know if this 4 pm presser is happening. At some point today I need to spend 3 hours in the car, and I’d like it to not be while that may or may not be going down.
by trivialstuff16 on Jun 11, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
re: football staff
Really, we have no idea who said what exactly at this point.
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure football staff knows any more than we do
And we all feel like he’s going, at least from an emotional perspective.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
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detnewsMSU Also was told MSU officials would be “beyond shocked” if Izzo left. Again, just one person telling me this, so take that for what it’s worth
detnewsMSU MSU basketball sports information director Matt Larson left me a message and said there’s no 4 p.m. press conference scheduled for today.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
Annnnd, Comparoni backs off.
JimComparoni No press conference at msu for 4pm.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
Fundamentally, nothing changed from Wednesday
when I argued Izzo would stay. Opportunity he had to explore. Too much uncertainty re: LeBron. Love for MSU ultimately pulls him back.
Tough to stay positive the longer things drag out, but I still think that’s the most likely scenario here.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
New tweet from Jim Comparoni:
Good source indicated that izzo is sitting down with MSU people right now, hammering things out. didnt come out and say it, but indicated it.
Comp is officially unreliable right now
I’d take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Second, hammering what! An exit strategy? His return? Bleh, whatever at this point, y’know?
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I wondered about the hammering comment too.
It's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Jun 11, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
for the "record," Comp thinks it's a good thing
I guess his full tweet is
1. JimComparoni
if indeed msu and izzo are in talks right now, that’s a good sign for msu. my read: he’ll look for a reason to stay 2 minutes ago via web
2. JimComparoni
Good source indicated that izzo is sitting down with MSU people right now, hammering things out. didnt come out and say it, but indicated it
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
What good reason is MSU going to give him?
Let him live in Cowles House? Give him the key to the city? We can’t pay him $6m per year. If he stays, it’s because he wants to stay, not because MSU gives him something token during a quasi-negotiation. if he gets something, it could be useful to help explain his decision to the media, but if there actually are discussions going on, I’m guessing that they’re purely semantic.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
You're absolutely right
MSU has no huge quantifiable cards to play at this point. But he still may be looking to those in that room to talk him out of making the jump.
It's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Jun 11, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Only potential angle
Would be some sort of “lifetime” contract, if Izzo has decided to stay and now knows he’s never going to accept an NBA job.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess.
But what are the chances he ever gets fired? He has the job as long as he wants it, for all practical purposes.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
Yeah, no practical impact
It would just be a way to smooth over any bad feelings from the fan base and reassure recruits.
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by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 11, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Could there be nuts and bolts stuff?
Maybe being close to working in the NBA made Izzo realize a few of the things that he really doesn’t like about college coaching. Perhaps there could be some tweaks to alleviate that? I have no idea, just guessing.
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
I’m sure Hollis would be happy to give him whatever control he doesn’t already have over the basketball program.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
Izzo's terms
Bo Ryan and Ed Hightower to be pantsed by Izzone on all future visits to Breslin
Lifetime supply of Utz cheese balls
Recruiting visits to places like Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin and Gary, Indiana to be made by body double
All existing copies of Izzo Goes to Broadway video to be burned
Breslin Center floor to be outfitted with trap door attached to comfortable bed for future sleepovers
by Con-T on Jun 11, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This post is for the sole purpose of
my saying something original without someone else who’s smarter saying it two seconds ahead of me.
It's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Jun 11, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
New Coach
I know people want a coach with a MSU history, but Dixon or Stevens would be what you want.
You need a coach who is going to be somewhat comparable to Izzo when they start, and none of the people form izzo’s coach tree that could come are really at that point or headed there.
Stevens has simply been remarkable in 3 years as a head coach and i don’t think you can not argue for him as the best candidate.
The order would have to be
IZZO
Stevens
Dixon
Few **but he’s been at gonzaga for a while, and is really from the midwest unlike the other 2
someone on the coaching tree.
Lacy
Does Lacy seem to be stooping to our level and speculating on intangibles right now to calm himself? Granted he did talk to meaningful individuals on a real phone call, so he has something to base it on, but still.
I’ll still get impatient waiting for the next one.
It's going to be a good night.
He's alternating
Between speculating/reading tea leaves/trying to convince himself and admonishing US to calm down.
Evaluating the mindset - He's Staying
He got in late last night, and if he showed up for golf it would be a media spectacle. He may have also cancelled b/c he wants a few more hours to speak with some people today, but this has to be an easy decision. The "right or perfect" opportunity needs to present itself, and without a solid commitment from LeBron, this is a disaster waiting to happen. Izzo is not so sick of recruiting that he needs to go coach a Cavs team without LeBron. LeBron is not even in a position (most likely) to guarantee his return, so you’d think the decision is actually easy for Izzo. Since when is Izzo a "money guy" – he’s from Iron Mountain, he was an All American for Northern, he gets choked up when he talks about the struggles of Metro Detroit and wanting to lift the peoples spirits come tournament time – he’s already wealthy and will retire with more money than he could ever spend wherever he goes. At 55yrs old, he doesn’t need to walk into a pressure cooker, and he is likely not chomping at the bit to uproot his family for his greatest career experiment of all time. Izzo is a humble, honest man, he knows his limitations and he understands that coaching in the NBA can be a short-lived mega grinder to begin with, why would he then want to add "totally uncertain pressure cooker" to that opportunity? If the emotion and speculation of the moment is making you see stars, just give it the old Ben Franklin close to understand the options he’s evaluating: "Pros" – a lot more money, the "chance" to coach LeBron, no more recruiting wars, fairly close to home, work for a Spartan, take on an enormous challenge, satisfy a curiosity. "Cons" – Having to say farewell to MSU and your current team poised for a title run, uprooting your family or spending less time with them or both, still not sure or possibly totally unsure on LeBron, a fan base in Cleveland that wants to win a championship now, long grinder of a season with a ton of travel, it’s Cleveland when you’re "home", giving up a great deal of power and control over operations and personnel, Pitino, Donovan, Calipari all backed out or didn’t cut it, average lifespan of an NBA coach is 3yrs or less, if it doesn’t work out you have likely closed the door on MSU forever and would have to start all over with a new University which is another massive undertaking, you are leaving lifetime money and employment on the table.
It’s a no-brainer, unless it’s a chance to coach one of the most storied franchises in the history of the league, with a cupboard full of signed talent, you simply cannot leave MSU.
by MCBATX on Jun 11, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Comparoni's latest
JimComparoni clarification: dantonio was scheduled to golf, but is not in town.
First, Izzo skipped golf. Then, he was meeting with MSU officials. Now, he’s apparently not in town at all. Seems to me that Comparoni’s only smoke and mirrors at this point.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
His clarifications aren't helpful
It's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Jun 11, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that refers to the fact
that Dantonio’s not in town.
by Pete Rossman on Jun 11, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Dantonio is not in town
Is how I’m reading this
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Also
I see this as good news. Izzo canceled on a golf outing when Dantonio wasn’t even going to go either. Why engage in a purely media spectacle?
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I think Izzo's golfing days are on hold
Maybe that’s why he’s meeting with MSU!
by intrpdtrvlr on Jun 11, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark Few will never leave Gonzaga
He has an amazing gig there. Low-profile setting for his family, a dedicated fanbase, athletic department devoted to the bball team.
Brad Stevens would be an amazing hire for MSU, and I see it as likely if MSU were to reach out.
At the end of the day though, I see Izzo staying.
I believe he has made his decision
It’s just a matter of when he will announce it. He needs inform some folks first, face to face – the administration brass and his players, for sure. My reading of the tea leaves is that he is staying. He explored, brought his family, and now has a much clearer picture of what a move to the NBA would mean to him and his family. Lots of time the grass looks greener from a far, but when you actually step on the lawn, you find it’s full of dandelions.

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