Your 2010-2011 Michigan State Basketball Team (Until Further Notice)
Tomorrow, it will be exactly two months since our Spartans walked off the court at Lucas Oil Stadium. Because of the transfer rumor that's refused to (1) die or (2) become a real, live news story, I've dragged my feet on doing a full-fledged look-ahead post at the team's make-up and prospects for next season (although there was this bit of statistically-based optimism).
Yesterday, Tom Izzo finally named the name (or, at least, replied to a question about the name):
The question mark entering the summer is Chris Allen. The rising senior guard has had clashes with Izzo and it's not clear if the two are on the same page.
"Nothing has happened yet,'' Izzo said. "He's on a short leash. He has some growing up to do. There were times I didn't know if he wanted to be here.''
Chris Allen, it is. Our man Joe Rexrode reviews the bizarreness of the situation:
The interesting thing about Allen (we've talked about this before) is that he so clearly "bought in" last year on the basketball court. He got serious about defending and became reliable on that end. His overall game, including his shooting, made a significant jump. Izzo was gushing about that very transformation the day after MSU's Big Ten title-clinching win over Michigan -- and the day before he announced that Allen was suspended for the Big Ten Tournament game.
So yeah, this is off the court. . . .
Rexrode posits that this is probably as much Izzo's decision as it is Allen's. It's not your traditional transfer scenario. And it doesn't sound like the situation is necessarily going to get fully resolved in the immediate future.
So on to the microanalysis of next year's roster, I say! A projected depth chart with informed guesses as to average playing time distribution in competitive games is after the jump.
| Starter | Bench1 | Bench2 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Point | Lucas (30) | Lucious (20) | Kebler |
| Wing1 | Allen (26) | Appling (12) | |
| Wing2 | Summers (26) | Byrd (6) | Thornton |
| Big1 | Green (28) | Payne (12) | Gauna |
| Big2 | Roe (24) | Nix (8) | Sherman (8) |
(In the long dark days before I started blogging, I used to sketch these projected depth charts out on my desk pad. How did the earth turn on its axis without my musings being tableized and published on the internet?)
(On the topic of Tableizer, I'd liked it noted in the record that I am now using the new official Spartan green of Michigan State University [html #265142 make that #18453b] in the headers of my tables. Haven't gotten around to asking the SB Nation folks for a revamp of the site's color scheme, though.]
Bullets:
- That's a nice-looking depth chart, no? Both the projected starters and the second team of players are well-rounded five-man groups that fit nicely into specific roles. You've got a total of 14 guys you could play in a pinch--13 if Alex Gauna redshirts. I'm starting with the assumption of an 11-man rotation. That'll get whittled down to 9 or 10 guys at some point.
- I think Draymond Green needs to start next season. If he can improve his conditioning just a little more and get up near 30 minutes/game (he averaged 25.7 minutes/game in conference play this season), then it doesn't make sense to have him sitting a total of 6-7 minutes waiting to get on the court at the beginning of the two halves of each game. Given the large role he will play in the team's offense next season, his minutes need to be distributed as broadly as possible over the 40 minutes in each game.
- How about bringing Delvon Roe off the bench instead? That would allow Tom Izzo to slot a taller player (Nix/Sherman) into the starting lineup and maybe save some wear and tear on Roe early in games.
- I have no really solid basis for making this statement, but I think it might be ideal for both the players involved and the team generally if Kalin Lucas focused more on distributing the ball (something he'll need to show NBA GMs he can do more proficiently) and Durrell Summers became more of the go-to off-the-ball jumpshooter over the full season (like he became in the NCAA Tournament out of necessity this season). Based on the Katz piece, it sounds like Izzo is thinking about big things for Summers as a senior: "He's a real talented guy and with him and Lucas together we can get it rolling,'' Also from the Katz piece: Lucas could be on the court as early as next month playing pick-up ball.
- Chris Allen as the #4 offensive option as a senior should be a nice sweetspot for him (assuming no change in his status on the team, of course). Knock down 3-pointers, make smart decisions with the ball, play defense.
- Korie Lucious will be the most talented sixth man (in terms of minutes played, at least) in the league. And he's a pretty experienced option to be able to bring off the bench now, too: 155 minutes of NCAA Tournament playing time this year.
- Keith Appling will be able to ease his way into the mix in the back court, setting things up for a stater-level role as a sophomore. (Unless Allen does end up leaving the team. Then Appling becomes the second perimeter player off the bench and the pressure for him to produce would jump up a notch.)
- Assuming his recovery from foot surgery goes well, I think Russell Byrd plays as a freshman. You can never have too many 3-point shooters, in the event of a team playing a zone defense in the NCAA Tournament. This is not going to be a save-a-year-of-eligibility-for-later kind of season.
- Tom Izzo will have the luxury of using Adreian Payne as an energy/offensive rebounding guy off the bench--something like how he used Zack Randolph as a freshman. There's more upside than downside to the 12 minutes/game I have Payne down for.
- I'd guess either Derrick Nix or Garrick Sherman emerges ahead of the other (unless Payne isn't ready to play major minutes right away)--but I'm not ready to guess who emerges. I've fudged their projected minutes by splitting them equally.
- I'm assuming no significant playing time for Mike Kebler and Austin Thornton outside of injury-related emergencies. Kebler has certainly shown he can play competently at the point and on defense, but Appling will provide a third scholarship-player option as the primary ball-handler. I think the ship has probably sailed on Austin Thornton being a regular contributor on the court; his statistical indicators all point to a player that exerts maximum effort (8.6 OffReb%) but is physically overmatched (27.1 TO%, 0.0 Blk%, 0.9 Stl%, 6.8 fouls created per 40 minutes).
- As I mentioned a couple weeks ago, I think the team will miss Raymar Morgan's versatility more than many fans might realize. While Draymond Green can probably guard a lot of opposing 3-men straight up, I can't see him playing a perimeter spot in Izzo's switch/hedge-heavy defensive scheme. I have the minute distribution at exactly 120/game for perimeter players and 80/game for post players.
Big picture, the 2011 Michigan State team isn't the equivalent of the 2009 North Carolina or 2010 Kansas teams--clear preseason number ones based on an overwhelming amount of returning NBA-level talent. But this MSU team brings back a larger combination of talent and experience than any other team in the country. Duke (Singler/Smith/Irving) and Purdue (Hummel/Johnson/Moore) both bring back more pure ability in terms of their top three players (although not by an insurmountable margin--Lucas/Green/Summers is a pretty good offensive base to work from) but don't have anything close to the depth and experience Tom Izzo will have at his disposal when he looks down the bench.
Expectations going into next season will rightly be higher than they have been at any time in the program's history, outside of maybe the 1999-2000 season. (Looking back, the national championship seems like it would have been a foregone conclusion--but I don't really remember how confident I was about the team's prospects going into the season.) Coming off back-to-back Big Ten championships and Final Four appearances, there's only one rung left on the ladder for this group of players--a second Tom Izzo national championship. If the team doesn't win the national title, it won't necessarily be a failure--college basketball isn't set up for preseason favorites to easily advance deep into the postseason--but it will be a disappointment.
And that's a very good thing, right?
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Minute Battles
Great take, KJ. One counter I would make is that I think Byrd is really going to have to tear those minutes from Thornton. The key will be defense. If Byrd doesn’t play the system as well as AT, Thornton is going to keep the six regardless of his other limitations. They could go to Appling, too, especially as the 11-man rotation becomes 9.
True Dat
I (and I think Tom Izzo) love Thornton because he is player who obviously wants to be there, if people recall he turned down scholarship offers from mid-level and smaller school to play for the Spartans, and he hustles extremely hard. The kid was a lights out shooter in high school and if he can find the touch I agree that he could wrestle with Byrd for minutes.
I still don’t see either of them contributing too much this year, although I dont think Byrd should red shirt just because as KJ wrote, this is the year if there ever was one, lets not pull any stops.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
I’d like to see both Sherman and Nix get more minutes. I was impressed with both at times (Nix was more consistent in his minutes; Sherman had great performances in a limited role) and hope they develop more over the summer. The extreme depth will probably prevent this from happening – barring injury/transfer/Green moving to PG.
Nix > Sherman
I’m hoping Nix gets more minutes than Sherman. Although both need to improve defensively, Nix appeared more ready than Sherman.
Basically agree
But Sherman did show some nice post moves and a good scoring touch inside. His problem was being overmatched on defense by stronger post players. Nix had some definite problems finishing at the rim that he will need to address. And hopefully his, um, other problem is basically behind him, as it seemed to be less of an issue towards the end.
I don't know about that...
How many times did you see Sherman try to underhand toss the ball from his hip while directly underneath the basket? I sure remember Nix doing it many times…
A great read as always
Looking forward to this season, like last year expectations are high—maybe even higher this year than last—but there are still enough question marks to make things interesting. Here’s to hoping everything goes according to plan!
Also, I think the html# for the new MSU Green is #18453b. Other than that, spot on!
You're right
I’d seen the 265142 number a couple places on the web, but your number shows up on the official MSU site. Will adjust accordingly.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Jun 3, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
The blog style is great
Nice clean look and I like the color scheme. It’s easy to read so be careful not to mess it up with a lot of changes.
Good job!
red shirts
Good post. A lot depends on how good the freshmen are; remember two years ago, everyone assumed Green would redshirt. I don’t think any of us really know how these kids will respond to both Izzo’s system and the college competition.
Given the depth this year, it stands to reason that either Gauna or Byrd would be redshirted. I don’t see the point of recruiting 3,4 guys every years if you are not redshirting at least some of them, particularly when they are 3 star kind of recruits. If you are not UNC or Kentucky getting your 4 high school all Americans every year, you want program kids who will be playing for you when they are 23, 24.
I also think Thornton may get minutes, if his outside shooting improves and Byrd is redshirted. The team could use a three point specialist, who comes in and has to be guarded because he can knock down shots. This was a weakness last year; all three juniors were streaky from three, and in some games, defenses just packed it in, daring MSU to shoot from outside.
Interesting
I think Guana will definitely be red shirted. I can see where you are coming from with the whole “Green should start” point. But I think that you need Roe to start since he (when healthy) can be a sparkplug of energy and you don’t need both him AND Payne coming off the bench.
It also is pretty mind boggling to think of which sophmore center will come out on top. They both show different things, but I think that if Nix could lose weight he would be the definite favorite. He has some of those brilliant left handed post moves, is physical and can box out anyone with that frame. I think Sherman is more athletic and its feasible for him to be better, but that’d be more due to flaws from Nix I think. Heres hoping Nix develops into a starter worthy talent by the tournament.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
Cool Signature
Is that from something familiar?
Cracks me up…
Go Hard or get some popcorn
I'm a natural skeptic
when it comes to freshmen, so I would slot Nix in as the first off the bench for Green and Sherman as first coming off the bench for Roe. That’s not to say that Payne won’t beat out one of those two for minutes, but until I see them play college ball I never count on major contributions from freshmen, unless there are no solid returning players at a position.
I think the key will be how quickly Payne can pick up the system vs how well Nix and Sherman progress over the summer. All in all pending a complete recovery for Lucas this looks like a very fun year coming up. I agree totally that, assuming Summers maintains his postseason form this year, Lucas should focus more on distributing and less on scoring. He’s proven he can score, but his assist to turnover ratio is not that stellar, and he could stand to show NBA GMs that he’s more than a (somewhat undersized) scorer.
I was in school in 1999-2000
I don’t remember thinking of an NCAA title as a “expected” on campus. We knew we were going to be good. Big Ten Title/Final Four good, but I don’t remember the mindset on campus being “National Title or Bust!” If you remember even with winning the Big Ten Title for the 3rd season in a row (shared) and Tournament (as a 2 seed) we still were not guaranteed a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament until Martin of Cincy broke his leg…
2000 Team
That team definitely had National Title dreams very early on. Everyone had MSU in the top 3 at least preseason. They returned everyone except Antonio Smith and Jason Klein from the 99 team that narrowly lost to Duke in the Final Four. Cleaves and Peterson both returned and we added McDonald’s All American and Mr. Basketball Jason Richardson and Mike Chappel. Only reason that team was not a slam dunk number 1 seed was because Cleaves missed November and December.
Expectations were guarded the next year with the loss of Peterson, Cleaves and Granger but the addition of All Americans Randolph and Taylor brought a number one ranking and another Final Four.
by That Guy Green on Jun 15, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions

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