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MSU Verbal Commit for 2012 - SF Kenny Kaminski

(Bump for a good review of Kaminski's skills - Pete)

Earlier today multiple websites gave confirmation that (as predicted) Medina, OH forward, Kenny Kaminski, is the first member of Tom Izzo's 2012 recruiting class. He is a 3-star, #23 ranked power forward on scout, a 90 rated, #31 PF on ESPN, and currently unranked on rivals. He claimed offers from Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Indiana.

The Only Colors' intrpdtrvlr did a write up on him earlier, that is still worth a look (though I will try to round up pertinent information in this post)

In-depth round up after the jump.

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Measurables:

Height: listed consistently at 6'7''. Total speculation, but he does mention in a Hondo interview that his coach says he might grow three inches by the time his freshman year roles around (!!).

Weight: Ho boy. Anywhere from a stringbean 180 if you believe rivals, 200 if you believe scout, or a fairly robust 215-220 if you listen to more contemporary reports (like ESPN). I tend to believe the highest figure being thrown out there. In the same Hondo interview, he states he could also come into State weighing 260. Color me extremely, extremely, skeptical on that claim.

What position is he going to play for us?

I see him as a Raymar Morgan type, SF/PF depending on our lineup. And I would have it in that order, I think he's a small forward first and a power forward second, despite where recruiting sites have him listed. If he does some growing, well... hello mismatch.

So can he play?

Can he? CAN HE??? Yes.

The kid recently set the nets on fire at a few national events. Here's a report from Rival's Eric Bossi at the AAU National Championships (7/30/2010):

Kenny Kaminski, PF, Buckeye Ballers- Thanks to the strong play of Kaminski, the Ballers almost sprung an upset on the Carolina Ravens. A class of 2012 prospect who can wear out the nets from deep, he's perhaps been unfairly labeled as just a jump shooter. A strong kid, he will battle around the rim and he rebounds pretty well.

At a recent tournament in Vegas, rival's analyst Jerry Meyer had this to say:


Kenny Kaminski (Indiana Elite 16-U, 2012)- This sharp shooting forward was dialed in Saturday. He drained five three-pointers in the first half on his way to a game high 27 points. His game will be predicated on strength and his precise shooting which should fit well into the Big Ten.

LifeinLansing.com recruitng guru, St8izGr8 described him thusly:

He is legitimately a combo guy...Indy Elite used him both inside and on the perimeter and he looked comfortable defensively in both spots.  He was guarding actual guards at times and hung in there.

Strengths:
Nice looking deep stroke.  Hit multiple threes in this game and he looked good doing it.  Goes up strong and true and the release is smooth.
He's a strong kid, unafraid to bang and put himself on the block when asked.  Had a couple of nice post moves I saw where he had a nice combination of strength and quickness to get results.
Looks to be a versatile defender.  Unlike many guys who get talked about as a combo forward, I think Kenny actually has that potential.

Now tell me those strengths don't bring to mind our boy Raymar? Nearly everyone agrees the kid's strength is putting the ball in the bucket, particularly from the outside (including Kenny himself, in the Hondo interview)

ESPN describes him as:

an offensive machine. He is an excellent shooter with his feet set. He has range to 22 feet when he is catching and shooting. When he is aggressive on offense he can put the ball on the floor and create for himself for 2 or 3 dribbles...

Me likey.

But where can he improve?

Kenny says he needs to improve ball handling and going to the rim.

The earlier St8izGr8 report chimes in:

Weaknesses:
Allowed himself to drift a bit. He's on a talented team, but I felt he could have asserted himself a bit more at times.  He is adjusting to playing with these guys, so it's worth cutting him some slack.

Hmmm? Raymar? Right? RIGHT? (I'll stop).

Of course, I'm sure there are also inevitable conditioning and fitness 'needs for improvement' that come in with most any high school player coming into Michigan State. He's no Derrick Nix or Tom Herzog project though.

So how excited should I be?

Very. Kenny is a great start to the 2012 class and I fully expect him to jump up the recruiting rankings as time goes on (The MSU verbal can't hurt his credibility with the 'gurus'). He seems to be extremely willing to buy into Izzo's defense/rebounding foundation, and comes in with a developed offensive repertoire. He should be able to step in right away and back up Draymond at the Small forward position if need be. Kenny should be able to be a productive member of the Spartans for years to come. Plus, the kid is very mature and seems to have a solid head on his shoulders.

Awesome pick-up, in my opinon. Go state!

-HeckDorland

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Post script-

This is my first try at this sort of recruiting round-up. If you have suggestions on how I can improve or something I missed I'd love to hear it. Thanks!

This is a FanPost, written by a member of the TOC community. It does not represent the official positions of The Only Colors, Inc.--largely because we have no official positions.

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the problem with Raymar comparison....

He can shoot the 3.

If he really can play inside and out, while actually shooting the 3. He is going to be awesome.

He looks like a nice size kid in pictures too, So I imagine is at least 200+.
If he grows more too, His ceiling will be just soo high.

Good to have him on board!

by kasperb on Jul 31, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Other comparisons?

Other than Raymar, who are the non-MSU guys that KK compares to? Seems like he’s in the mold of a Hummel or Singler. Fair? Anyone else?

by Ducking Delvon on Jul 31, 2010 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Granger

If he grows (which honestly Id expect) I see him as an AJ Granger type. Outside game, nice wing talent set but able to handle the post and guarding the 4.

Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!

by Loneytunes on Aug 6, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kaminski vs. Raymar

I think the make-and-breaker about whether KK fits that elusive combo forward position is whether he maintains quickness to guard opposing wing players. He may be able to ball-handle and drive but if 6’5", 205 lbs players are going to be able to get by him it won’t matter in a lot of scenarios. One of the things that made Raymar Raymar was his ability to defend a diversely skilled set of players.

Funny on ratings, Evan Daniels of Scout tweeted that he wasn’t sold on Kaminski as a Top 100 player and I know plenty of Indiana messageboard posters who carry a “no big deal, we will do much better in 2012” attitude. I find it hard to believe that coaches like Izzo, Crean, Ryan, and Matta were all willing to go after such a marginal talent before he even plays his junior year. Kenny has two years to prove people like Daniels wrong.
Great pick-up for MSU.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 1, 2010 6:12 AM CDT reply actions  

He could be the next Ballinger/Grainger.

His HS coach expects him to be 6’9" and about 250 pounds, when he comes to EL.

by MSU1978 on Aug 1, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

intrpdtrvlr

How would you rank Izzo’s targets going forward? I assume he certainly wants to add Amir Williams for 2011 first and foremost. Is there another player he really wants in 2011? Jalen Reynolds? Tommie McCune? Are they just backup plans if we strike out on Branden Dawson or Williams?

As for 2012 it seems like we won’t have room for Jordan Hare and Matt Costello now. Is Gary Harris the main priority for 2012? Who else do you think we should keep and eye on?

Also how dilusional are the guys over at umhoops? They seem to keep telling themselves after they strike on major rcruit after major recruit that they did not really want the kid and they preferred a kid like Jon Horford to a guy like Adreian Payne.

by That Guy Green on Aug 1, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

My thoughts

Sounds like Amir Williams is headed out of state. The most likely post target is Mike Shaw who MSU is apparently still recruiting intensely.

I bet it’s Dawson or bust for 2011 wings unless Izzo is increasingly impressed with Jakarr Sampson.

And remember, even if Izzo takes 4 and maxes out the 2011 class (no means guaranteed), there’s still two spots left for 2012 – enough for another wing (Harris/Valentine/Hawkins) and big (Costello/Hare).

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 1, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

So for 2011 we are looking at Kearney, Anderson, Shaw and Sampson? Dawson is a strong Purdue lean correct? While assuming Amir Williams is headed to Carolina or UK.

And for 2012 we are looking at Kaminski, Harris, Valentine and Hare? Seems like Costello is picking up a lot of steam lately.

by That Guy Green on Aug 2, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Naw" on Dawson

It’s hard to know these things for sure but there’s no reason to believe Dawson is a significant Purdue lean right now. MSU has as good a shot as anyone. It’s not even outside the realm that he could become a surprise early signing.

Barring attrition, there’s technically four spots left (1-2 in 2011, 2-3 in 2012). It could break any number of ways. I think the question is does Izzo want two more bigs or is he willing to settle with one to take three wings. It’s hard to break down clearly but I’d say you have Dawson, Harris, Valentine, Costello, Shaw, and Sampson all looking at four spots. Do you double post players (Shaw + Costello) or drop one of those guys and take an extra wing (Harris and Dawson). Talent wise, you probably go with the latter scenario.

I’m already penciling in Valentine.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 2, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Valentine

you think is a given that hes going to be wearing the only colors?

Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!

by Loneytunes on Aug 3, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be quite the surprise if he turned the offer down and went somewhere else. In terms of allegiance, the family is pretty Green.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 3, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Denzel Valentine offered by MSU

Joe Stapleton of UMHoops reports that Valentine texted him about the offer. This one’s a bit of a head-scratcher for me. He is a local kid (Sexton HS) but he’s basically a wing player and with Izzo still after Branden Dawson, Gary Harris and (presumably) J-P Tokoto, and with the Kaminski commitment on Saturday, things are looking a little crowded on the wing.

by Con-T on Aug 1, 2010 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know if I'd call it exactly a "headscratcher" but definitely a game-changer

It’s been said that players earn their offers in July and from all reports, Valentine has had a great July and earned rave reviews. He’s got a great tool set and I definitely trust Izzo on talent. Again, kind of a wing version of Draymond Green in certain ways.

You’re right, there probably isn’t room for Harris, Dawson, and Valentine but there’s almost certainly space for two. Don’t forget the gamesmanship angle; this may push Dawson and Harris to think about who wants that last spot if Valentine commits to MSU.

I like this move, honestly. The guy can play and he probably be higher ranked after this summer.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 1, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll say this too, Con

DV looks to have come out ahead as the consensus preference over Hawkins. Hawkins will still be a good player for somebody (possibly UM) but Valentine has turned heads.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 1, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the multiples

but things between Tokoto and MSU appear to have cooled. I haven’t heard MSU mentioned in the forefront lately.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 1, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I normally just read these things in my RSS feeds

But since it’s your first I just wanted to say that it was a great and informative write-up. I don’t know a thing about recruits, especially ones in the 2012 class, so it’s great to have you and intrpdtrvlr digging this stuff up for us dummies.

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by Mike Rogers on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 AM CDT reply actions  

One more small recruiting note:

Percy Gibson commits to Dayton.

Not quite an MSU player but someone most people felt improved over the past year. Another good pick-up for Brian Gregory.

by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 2, 2010 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Brian Gregory

If he can grab Henton from Eastern as well that is going to be a nice class.

by That Guy Green on Aug 2, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

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