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by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 25, 2010 10:41 PM CDT
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Print- Up Three, Time Running Out, Do We Foul? The First Comprehensive CBB Analysis " Harvard Sports Analysis Collective
Fouling when down 3 not nearly as effective a strategy as TV announcers would have you believe. Looking into whether calling a timeout when you're down by 3 is a good thing or not next. Intuitively, I think not; more likely to get a good look when the defense is scrambling. Glad Izzo went against his usual instincts vs. Maryland, needless to say. - 'GameDay' slate means even more longing - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN'GameDay' slate means even more longing - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN
MSU the only team involved in two GameDay games--one home (Illinois), one away (Purdue). - Izzo-Fife bond forged in respect | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN
Fluff, but you can't beat Izzo fluff. - Robbie Hummel is back! - Hammer and Rails
Purdue fans excited, obviously. - Future Spartan Lawrence Thomas can do it all for Detroit Renaissance | detnews.com | The Detroit News
Another reason Gholston at DE makes sense; we've got a pretty good linebacker coming in next year. - Scout.com: Preview 2010 - The Top 100 Players
Our current pretty good linebacker ranked as the best player in the entire country. Was skeptical when I first saw this, but you can make a plausible argument given that 2 of the next 4 players are also Big Ten guys (Clay/Clayborn). (HT: SpartyOn37) - Opponent preview: Michigan State Spartans| NBC Sports - College Football - Inside the Irish
ND blog seems fairly confident they'll beat us, although they point out it'll be Dayne Crist's first road game. - Along The Olentangy - For Ohio St. Buckeyes Fans
SBN back in the Ohio State blogging game. "Along the Olentangy" doesn't have same ring as "On the banks of the Red Cedar" IMO. - Alvarez: UW and Iowa to go separate ways
Big Ten will not be keeping it simple, stupid. Article implies they're taking the win-loss data very seriously; MSU in bottom 4-team tier. Going to 9 conference games starting in 2015. - Please, Big Ten: Set your championship game free - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF - Yahoo! Sports
Definitive take on the topic. Michigan and OSU should be in the same division, continue to play final week of the season. - Tea leaves say Iowa in division with Nebraska, Michigan, MSU, Illinois and Northwestern | GazetteOnline.com
[Added] Alvarez's comments, along with Brandon's recent comments about Michigan and OSU being split up, making this scenario look more likely. A bit of a tough break if Wisconsin is really our fixed rival, as that would mean playing 4 of traditional 6 upper-division teams every season.
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Notre Dame
‘Eff ’em. They always think they’ll beat MSU.
Es gibt keine Freude wie Schadenfreude
by Seer on Aug 25, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I realize they were probably mouth breathing subway alums but....
two commenters suggested ND would win by at least three touchdowns. I hoping we hang 50 on them.
not going to happen...
9 returning starters on the Notre Dame defense.
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 9:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That does....
…kinda make it funner when we do beat them. They really are Catholic Michigan.
by witless chum on Aug 26, 2010 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Just to clairfy
Some stat I think I heard during a broadcast a couple years ago: other than USC, MSU has beaten Notre Dame more than any other team over the last 14 years. They owe us a lot more respect than most teams do, yet somehow a road game to EL gets penciled in as a win.
Es gibt keine Freude wie Schadenfreude
Since 1997
MSU is 9-4 against ND, with losses in ’02, ’04, ’06 (the game that shall not be mentioned), and ’09. Won 5 straight from ’97 to ’01.
by Ducking Delvon on Aug 26, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
All time, that is true.
It makes sense if it is that way for the last 14 years. We’ve played them ever year for the past 13 and our record against them is 9-4.
3 of their 4 victories in that span have been in EL. 4 points in 2002. A touchdown in 2004. 3 points in 2006 (the worst emotional roller coaster I have ever experienced personally at a game).
Our final records in those 3 seasons…4-8, 5-7, 4-8.
2002: Bobby Williams fired
2004: Year 2 JLS
2006: JLS fired.
I don’t think anyone realistically thinks of us as a 4 or 5 win team this year. Therefore, I like our chances in this game.
I think our offense is a lot better than their offense and our defense is slightly better than their defense. I also think our offense is better than their defense and our defense is better than their offense. Kelly is the X factor.
Add in prime time game in Spartan Stadium packed with fans, many of whom want redemption for the 2006 debacle in the same conditions…
by MSULaxer27 on Aug 26, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, apparently we were
Good point on the overall records in ’02, ’04, and ’06.
by Ducking Delvon on Aug 26, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
johnny adams.
i thought his grandmother died and since the season was already a lost cause, the coaches redshirted him. i don’t think he sat out for disciplinary reasons like the ND preview said.
I noticed that as well...
….I’ll give the writer the benefit of the doubt, and chalk it up to him being uninformed (rather than taking a cheap shot at Adams)
That's a really, really dumb split
Even with one permanent cross-division rivalry, Wisconsin gets the royal shaft – they lose the Iowa rivalry (apparently) and they don’t get to start one with Nebraska either. And MSU-Wisconsin would be just as forced a rivalry as MSU-PSU is.
I’m sure I’m sounding like a broken record by now, but there is one and only one sensible way to split this. And the Big Ten seems hellbent on doing anything to avoid the sensible way.
I almost...
…care more about keeping the prairie schools together than where MSU gets sent. It just makes sense for Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota to play every year. Anything else is unAmerican and will make Ricky Stanzi cry a single tear.
by witless chum on Aug 26, 2010 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on the Prairie schools staying together
they make natural rivals. Thanks for bringing back memories of those old “Keep America Clean” commercials.
by TheCrestedHelm on Aug 26, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You’re welcome. It’s odd, given that it’s third hand memories for me.
I don’t believe I’ve every actually seen the one with the Indian dude crying that I was playing off of. And I once heard a Nepali friend opine that the U.S. doesn’t have any culture!
by witless chum on Aug 27, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about that
But he really needs to win something at some point. IPFW has been a distinctly mediocre Summit League team.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 26, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He's saying he agrees with me
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 27, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Naw
I think Izzo would prefer to select a protege, the same way Judd chose him. I think most likely we will see someone from his Tree like Brian Gregory or Stan Heath, maybe Jim Boylen if he becomes succesful. Or I could also see Izzo hiring an assistant with the intention of promoting him.
I think that the only coachs I could see feasibly being brought to East Lansing from outside the Izzo Spectrum are Brad Stevens (And he most definitely would come if offered I think), or if you want to get really risky Greg Kampe.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
NOOO!!!!!!
You’re giving me flashbacks to July.
Thankfully, this is a topic we won’t have to worry about for 5 years, absolute minimum, by which time the current Izzo tree/etc. will have completely shifted around.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 27, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
True
and dont worry Im not trying to make your head hurt, but if anyone is to blame I blame MSULaxer27 lol.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
Rittenberg believes...
it’s “very likely” that Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin will be in one division, with Michigan, Nebraska, and Iowa in the other.
*bangs head against wall*
A child of five could figure out the best way to split the divisions, and that ain’t it. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
Sure....
….your let’s make this child of five commissioner idea seems good now and he’ll fix our divisions, but what happens when dinosaur and fighter jet halftime shows are mandated? Actually, that wouldn’t be so bad, it is a good idea.
by witless chum on Aug 26, 2010 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions
that sounds awesome...
My nephew is four, let me ask him what he thinks about Sparty riding a brontosaurus on a saddle while F-18s fly over and the Spartan band plays the fight song….
God, if that were possible…
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 8:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Give me a few days, I’m not on my normal computer!
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 12:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
WAY awesome
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 26, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This would really screw with recruiting
MSU and Mich are really dependent on Ohio for talent, and always looking toward PA. This would have the two states with deepest talent base in one division.
I'm by no means a Michigan or OSU fan
but that rivalry with OSU, even to a slightly antagonized and therefore biased observer, is THE BIGGEST Big 10 rivary. Splitting them apart makes zero sense. I don’t see how it would make the league more money to split them up so why do it. $$$ is their guiding star – they should follow it in this case.
by TheCrestedHelm on Aug 26, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it really isn't
Short of a Northwestern-Indiana title game, the B10 Championship is going to be a hot commodity no matter who’s in it. There’s only so much Michigan-OSU can do to boost that (you can’t sell 110,000 seats in a 65,000-seat stadium no matter who’s playing). Meanwhile, the rivalry becomes much less important in the years they don’t get a rematch – and if the SEC and Big XII are any indication, that will be the vast majority. (Between the two, despite 50% of all possible matchups being rematches, they have occurred less than 1/3 of the time – 10 out of 32, to be exact. And in the SEC, where Florida-LSU, Alabama-Tennessee, and Georgia-Auburn are protected rivalries that account for a combined 32 of 36 title game slots, not once has one of those rivalries been replayed in the title game.)
You can have it for a division title (or at least the possibility of such) every year, or you can have it as a random October cross-division game and hope for a rematch one out of ten times. The latter is lunacy.
The best theory I've heard
is one advanced by Hawkeye State on the new Slow States podcast. Basically, there’s no doubt that the game is going to be a sellout every year, and 75-80% of the time we’re going to get a compelling matchup in the title game. But there’s clearly something special about OSU-Michigan, and that’s the game that will draw the highest possible ratings.
So we know that the conference is negotiating with a few different networks for broadcast rights. What if the networks, knowing that Michigan-OSU is the game that’ll truly bring in money, refuse to pay top dollar unless there’s at least a possibility of that matchup? E.g., ABC says, “we’ll give you $20m/year, but only if there’s a possibility of a OSU-MIchigan matchup. If they’re in the same division, only $17m.” Or $15m, whatever. If it’s the case, I doubt that the conference is worried about ticket revenue. But if we’re talking about millions in TV dollars each year, that probably would be enough to push them into opposite divisions.
Anyway, this is just conjecture, but it seems like highly plausible conjecture to me.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
Brian took care of that argument in his post today
A difference of $2 million for the conference works out to about the equivalent of each team raising ticket prices by 30 cents or so.
Besides, I don’t think there’s any rational reason for the networks to pay anywhere near that much extra for a possibility that will happen maybe once a decade, and probably much less if history in other conferences is anything to go by. They’d have to think a Michigan-Ohio State final is worth 2-3 times as much as any other possible matchup, which is crazy talk – it’s the Big Ten title game, people are going to tune in.
Article with more details on Allen transfer...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=AmnW6vfswU66FUP4Jxrs5ETevbYF?slug=jn-allen082610
Makes it sound like he was just late for everything all the time. My guess is there is a little more to it than that.. probably more along the lines of ‘I was late all the time because I was out partying’ or something..
Nice update on Chris Allen, too
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-allen082610
Probably about as much information and candor as you’re going to get from Izzo and Allen on the record.
Iowa State
The article also provides some clarification about the choice of Iowa State. As I recall, Hoiberg was brought in as coach not just because he’s an alumnus, but because it was thought his NBA connections would attract players who aspired to that level. That appears to be the case with Allen.
Notice this part of the aforementioned article:
"He doesn’t even have a girlfriend," Allen said. "If you don’t believe me you can call Durrell Summers or anyone else on the team. They’ll be the first to tell you, ’Chris is my guy.’ I never tried to go after anyone’s girlfriend. But you know how some reporters are. They’re trying to start their own website or something, so they make stuff up."
CAN WE LET THIS DIE NOW PLZKTHX
i'm glad i never spread that rumor.
i have typed it and deleted it a couple times. who the hell am i to say those sorts of things?
Glad to have that on the record
I still think that there had to have been a little more going on there than being late for practice and class. If Izzo’s message to Allen for the summer was that you have to be on time to all our team events and classes to be reinstated, and Allen was STILL habitually tardy that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
But I agree, it’s nice to have at least that one sordid rumor eliminated on the record. Whatever the entire circumstances were, they are between Izzo, Allen and the team. I suppose I can live with that.
by trivialstuff16 on Aug 26, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Hate to bring this up, but...
….there was a similar rumor about why Marcus Taylor left back in the day. Was that one ever debunked?
In Other News...
Those that care, can head over to tRCMB and check out the non-unified field/court/ice markings that Hollis insisted on. The block S remains at mid-field and center court, Spartan helmet at center ice…
Goooooooooooo Consistency!
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
There is no new block S
University policy forbids altering the Block S. Now they need to add the helmet to that law…
Es gibt keine Freude wie Schadenfreude
clarification
isnt that S the new S? or are they keeping the sliverless good one?
that sliver drives me insane.
Pretty Sure
That when the “S” appears within the words “Michigan State” or “Spartans” it has the new notched thing.
When it appears as a standalone block “S” it is unchanged. At least that’s my understanding. Guess we’ll know for sure when we see the S on the field.
by trivialstuff16 on Aug 26, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
its already there...
Old block s at midfield, “Spartans” in each endzone in the new font (looks pretty sharper believe it or not) and field numbers on the new font as well.
I would have liked to see a giant Spartan helmet at midfield, but I’ll take the S as well.
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 10:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I just dont get
WHO THE EFF thought that font looked cool? Thats something a 6th grader could make with a protractor.
For the record I didnt mind the new Spartan Helmet. In fact I liked it. Its not like that version of the helmet has been around since the university’s founding, nothing wrong with updating it.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
On recruiting...
Could say, Lawrence Thomas, call up Grant and Williamson and actively recruit them to come to Michigan State? After all, officially, he has no ties to the university until National Signing Day…
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
If this wasn't legal, programs everywhere would be in trouble
There might be limits but this is perfectly legal in spirit. I know Will Gholston acted as a big-time recruiter last year to bring guys around.
Also, Russell Byrd explicitly said he was working Adreian Payne when asked about campaigning for MSU last year.
by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone tell LT I’ll pay for his phone bill…
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
just look me up in the phone book.
Ed Martin Jr.
by SpartyOn37 on Aug 26, 2010 11:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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