Chris Allen is gone, baby, gone
Izzo: "It’s been no secret that Chris Allen’s been in a tenuous position since the spring. There were multiple obligations that Chris had to meet in order to return for his senior season. While he did make progress through the summer, he has failed to meet all the obligations and will not be a part of our program this fall. I know he’s going to be a great player. He deserves another chance to play basketball somewhere, but it’s in everyone’s interest that it be somewhere other than Michigan State. Like every player, he has to mature a little bit. I think a year away from the game will be beneficial for his development as a person and a player."
Allen: "Coach was straightforward with me about what I needed to do to remain a part of the team. Unfortunately, I didn’t meet all the obligations. I have enjoyed my time at Michigan State and I appreciate all the support from my fans, and everyone associated with the program. It’s unfortunate things didn’t work out, but I’m leaving on good terms with my teammates and coaches."
This whole situation remains exceedingly odd. It still remains completely unclear, based on published reports, exactly what obligations Allen has been failing to meet. (And, until we get published reports, if we ever do, let's continue to keep the speculation in the comments section to a minimum.) Given the way Allen buckled down and seemed to buy into Tom Izzo's system last season--becoming the team's best perimeter defender and a more selective, efficient shooter--it was apparently all about off-the-court issues. And, despite recent comments from Allen that indicated he thought he was meeting those off-the-court obligations, evidently he wasn't.
So much for my theory, espoused just yesterday, that Izzo has merely been holding Allen's feet to the fire.
Initial thoughts on the impact going forward:
- Korie Lucious is now basically a starter.
- Keith Appling should come ready to play.
- Both those things will probably work out OK on offense.
- Durrell Summers needs to think about adding "defensive stopper" to "prolific scorer" on his basketball resume'. Not to put any pressure on him or anything.
- The loss of Allen is overcomeable, but it definitely puts a crimp in MSU's style. Having four experienced perimeter players for three spots on the floor would have been a major asset, particularly in light of Izzo's historical success when he's been able to unleash a deep rotation on the floor to play his brand of high-intensity, and sometimes high-tempo, basketball.
- If you're looking for a silver lining, there's this (from last year's State News basketball reporter).
Bottom line: We're probably still a top-3 team on paper, but the paper just got a little thinner. More later.
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I'm crying . . . .
. . . and not just on the inside.
Seriously, though, this stinks, I was really hoping that he could get past his myriad of issues and show up a mature senior ready to cut down some more nets next spring.
Strategically, I think this means that Russell Byrd and Austin Thorton need to be ready to step in for the offensive firepower, and Durrell and Byrd are going to have to step up on the defensive end to replace Allen’s newfound lockdown talents.
Four months before the season even started, and we’ve already taken our first lumps. Let’s hope this is the last lump for a while.
Team chemistry is my guess
Speculation is all we have since this whole dilemma has been vague from the start. My guess is he had to repair whatever damage he did from not “being a good teammate.” The team was not willing to forgive him so Izzo gave him the boot. Very unfortunate. The experts are already stating the Appling will be able to step in. They are wrong. Allen was our premier perimeter defender. I have never seen a freshman be an excellent perimeter defender. I’m very bummed out.
Walton?
I recall him being pretty good defensively as a freshmen. Memory could be wrong though :-)
Allen's D
I really think his defense is very overrated. We did not have any great lock down guys last season. Allen was slow and lazy when it came to getting a hand up on shooters.
I’m happy because this thins things up for Summers to play 30 plus like I think he should have been all season last year. Lucious and Appling get more time and again I think those are positives.
I liked Chris Allen, but this lockdown defender stuff is absurd. Harris killed us at U of M, McCamey killed us at U of I, Turner killed us in EL and Moore killed us in EL. Those would be the prime targets for a great defender. Travis Walton would have made life miserable for those guys. Allen was solid and that is all.
by That Guy Green on Aug 3, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
One more thing
Ray was our best defender last year in my opinion. Everyone was solid and that added up to a pretty good defense.
by That Guy Green on Aug 3, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I agree, his defense was never amazing. he did start to perk up on defense this past season, finally, but before that he was just lazy. if he returned, however, i think defense would have been his main focus, a la T-Walt his senior season, when he stopped taking stupid shots and locked down big time on defense.
What a bummer
Durrel Summers will need to bring his defense hat to games next year.
Again, for some reason, we can’t seem to be able to keep kids from far-off locales. Allen, Erazem Lorbek and MoJo immediately come to mind. All three situations are pretty different ( obligations, Euro cash and playing time) but the common thread is the distance.
Interesting. Are those the three furthest (or farthest) distances for Izzo-era players?
by SpartanBoiler on Aug 3, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Ibok
Is the only other long-distance guy I can think of. I’m sure there are more but they aren’t coming to mind.
I thought of him right when I clicked the “Post” button.
by SpartanBoiler on Aug 3, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he does. They can usually get that through quickly.
by SpartanBoiler on Aug 3, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Im pretty bummed.
Chris Allen took over for Travis Walton as my favorite player on the team.
I have that photo of him at the FF framed on my wall.
Also yto add to guys it might affect. Byrd could see more time. Maybe we also start the game of with Green at the 3 instead of him coming of the bench.
"You think our war drill is something now. Next year is going to be fist fighting."- Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
Really?
That thought did not come to mind when this news broke. At most I expected him to see more minutes, but still not significant time. Then again, I haven’t really looked at the depth chart lately.
I think it's the need for three-point shooting
Nobody, including Summers and Lucious, has yet shown an ability to be consistent from three and we’re going to need that from somewhere.
uh
Lucas and Summers are both pretty good 3 point shots, and Lucious was known as a sharpshooter, but he seemed to lose that cred last year. I think he has trouble shooting over people cuz hes so short
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
Let's look at the numbers
Lucas (35.4%) and Summers (35.8%) managed to clear the overall D1 average of 34.2% but Lucious was a dismal 44-139 (31.7%). None of them was anywhere near the national leader board in 3pt% That hardly qualifies as a group of sharpshooters. Far and away the best three point shooter on MSU last year was Chris Allen (53-133 39.8%) and that production will need to be replaced.
number aren't everything
how many clutch shots did allen take? make?
Wow, I'm speechless
The wildest part is Allen’s complete acknowledgment that he didn’t cut it and it’s basically on him. My hope is that this is addition by subtraction chemistry-wise.
I always assume the player is almost obligated to say nice or neutral things so that the a perceived rep doesn’t follow them as they are trying to find a place to go.
I will cry if I see him at 16.3ppg, 39.2% 3pt at Vanderbilt in 2011, but I hope he figures out whatever’s been ailing over the past couple of years.
About Allen's comments
Two things: 1) they have to be taken with a little bit of a grain of salt, seeing as how they weren’t qouted by a reporter or in an interview, but rather in a press release put out by MSU;
2) Assuming those comments are truly how he feels & sees it, that just goes to show you how much of a genius Izzo is. Seriously – Izzo just kicked him off the team, and you basically have Allen apologizing for being an a$$. It’s like dumping your live-in GF of 4 years, kicking her out of the house, but making her think its her fault.
Someone was going to leave.
It’s bad for everyone involved. Allen looks bad for obvious reasons. Izzo looks bad for handling the whole thing in the press. A team built to win a national title loses its third guard and primary long-distance shooter. No one wins except Purdue and OSU.
What was Izzo going to say to the press?
He simply said “there’s an issue with someone, we’re going to try to work through it and see whether he will stay or go”. Pretending nothing happened would have made things look awkward when the rumors were eventually confirmed (and word would have gotten out whether Izzo said anything or not).
I don’t think it could have been done much differently.
I don't know.
Sometimes I wish Coach could just say “No Comment”. Maybe that’s not possible nowadays, but I think his candor cuts both ways from time to time.
All "No Comment" does is leave it to the rumor mill.
And rumors are almost invariably worse than reality.
Kebler is a solid defender......
….but his offensive skills are…..how do you say?….extremely limited
Bad news, good news
I think he was our best defender this past year, not a Walton, but stil the best on the team. Of course we will miss his outside shot and I admired his determiniation, if not execution, in going to the basket when his shot wasn’t falling. Bad in losing a non-Midwest kid – I’d like to see more national recruiting though TI is doing superb with the locals, bad in terms of lessening our team chances for this upcoming season…
Good as in more PT for other players, including opportunities for freshman , showing that Izzo is one serious coach (molder of young men), and now we can have another scholarship – we need a PG besides Appling! At first I was worried about KLIF2 and turnovers, but recalled that this is his first healthy off-season and I have high expections after what he did after Lucas getting hurt! I too am all for (a little) more Kebler!
About Kebler...
he plays good defense, but it’s like going 5-on-4 when State’s on offense. Hopefully he sees spot duty while Appling and Byrd get the majority of Allen’s lost minutes.
Agree on Kebler
He played good defense, but having him in there for so many minutes killed us against Minnesota in the BTT. Couldn’t get anything done offensively.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
by LVS on Aug 3, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Comparoni
thinks that Allen is headed to USF, and that this has been in the works for a while. If Izzo and Stan Heath engineered an escape route for Allen, it would explain Allen’s “it’s my fault, I’m sorry Coach Izzo” sentiments in the press release.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
mystifying
What is amazing to me is that we still don’t know what these “obligations” and “chemistry issues” were. Perhaps the most impressive part of this is the control of info flowing from inside the program, which suggests how in control the coaches are. But still, how can a senior starter get bumped from a team without any specific violation being mentioned? I assume more info will now have to be forthcoming. If nothing else, it can’t be good for recruiting that decisions like this appear to be at the coach’s whim…
The addition by subtraction idea: I certainly hope this improves the team, but I confess I am skeptical. Had anyone noticed these chemistry issues before this summer? I certainly don’t remember it being mentioned by anyone. Right now, what I see is that the team has lost its most consistent returning shooter and best returning defender.
this won't be a recruiting issue -- not for Tom izzo, at least..
This has been an ongoing plot for more than 4 months. No one can accuse Izzo of being capricious about these decisions.
Besides, it’s pretty clear that Izzo is only interested in recruiting individuals who fit his program’s priorities. Decisions like this should be at the discretion of the coach, and any recruit who doesn’t believe that probably isn’t likely to be an MSU recruit to begin with.
I'm suspicious, too
but that’s what I’m telling myself. Izzo sees an opportunity to bring the team back even more focused on their big goal. No distractions, 110% commitment. We’ll see.
Izzo
Whatever he did wrong originally, it’s the kind of thing that doesn’t need to be released. Izzo and Allen know what happened, that’s all that matters. Clearly this is not being fought too hard by Chris, and no one on the team is saying this is BS or anything. Those who matter know the deal, call it a muck.
As far as chemistry issue with the team go, did you watch the regular season last year? It was a jumbled mess. I think maybe people are forgetting that because of our final four run, but we had some serious chemistry issues all year.
Don’t want to sound like a doucher fan-boy, but kalin, durrell and chris live in my building, and while i saw Kalin and Durrell together a lot this year, chris seemed to be more of a lone wolf, maybe some friction there.
Scholly
I know the body isn’t even warm yet, but the next question becomes: What about his scholarship?
Do we give it to Thorton or Kebler, or look to pick up a late commit or (gasp) even a JC transfer?
Goes to a player already on the team
And you named the two most likely suspects. I believe that 99%.
I think Thornton has Herzog's schollie
So I think Kebler will get Allen’s schollie for one year.
by Pete Rossman on Aug 3, 2010 9:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice verbage lol
I think you mean the body isn’t cold yet. Sorry for being a douche but it had to be said.
I think Thornton was supposed to get a scholarship no matter what this year despite anyone leaving. I seem to recall that being the case when I heard about his recruitment. Whatever.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
LOL oops
I think I was thinking, “the body is still warm,” but hey, what u gonna do? I feel a lot better now with the news about Branden Dawson & Travis Tice!! I say they have to go big now, starting with Jordan Hare. Though I have this feeling that Kaminski, who is a solid 6’7" right now & only going into his junior year, could end up growing more & being like 6’10" or 6’11" by the time he gets to EL. Which would be totally sweet….
Agreed
I think Hare or Costello becomes the primary focus of the ’12 class.
Although Gary Harris would still be fun to get
And i think Ray Lees chances of signing just went bye bye
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
As I'm into this sort of thing....watching old games....
I was watching the Elite Eight game this weekend, and watched the post-game celebration with an extra bit of interest. Allen, despite making a few really good plays, including the blind pass for Durrell’s dagger triple, seemed very distant. As the jumping around commenced, he just walked past Summers and Summers gave him a brief pat on the back. Something did indeed appear to be wrong, and not just between those two.
Clearly, MSU is not a better team without Chris Allen than with him. But it does appear that there were issues, and not from my amateur analysis above. Maybe Izzo can replace the minutes by committee, and someone will emerge by March to take on most of Chris’ role.
noticed that too
I noticed that too, but then neither of these guys is particularly demonstrative. Allen in particular, has always seemed a bit aloof. And from these old games I have never noticed bickering involving Allen, specifically. In fact, I do remember in the semi against Butler, Green screaming at Summers to defend the weak side, with a great deal of impatience. There was a lot of talk about chemistry issues this year, but until April, I can never remember it being about Allen specifically.
Is this the first player Coach Izzo has "kicked off" the team?
Cotton, Davis & Mojo left of their own volition. Although behind the scenes, they may have been encouraged; we don’t know. Was it something prurient that led to the chemistry issues, ie. messing with someone’s girlfriend, etc.
Anyone have any idea when the last time an incoming senior who garnered major minutes during a Final Four season was summarily kicked off the team? From any program?
Dissapointing
I’m not sure we’ll ever know the true reason for his dismissal. Whatever happened, it must have been pretty serious to kick off a senior on a championship level team.
I still believe we can win it all, but our margin for error just shrunk a bit.
I'm not sure what I should tell
As I am hearing/heard this form an inside source, but it will all come out soon enough
Tough break for us
I too am intrigued about what the issues were. It will not make our defense better that’s for sure. No, Allen wasn’t a Charlie Bell or Travis Walton on D, but he was solid and basically our best option proven option on the perimeter. Our best hope there, IMO, is for Green to use his new physique to play on the wing and be a lock down defender out there. I think he has the quickness – it’s just a matter of stamina and good technique – i.e. moving his feet and not relying on clutching and grabbing. He’s got a low enough center of gravity at 6’6" to be able to play perimeter guys. Granted, we’ll miss his rebounding, but I think we’ve got enough help down low with Roe healthy and Sherman and Nix back from a full off-season of working on their conditioning and fundementals that they can pick up the slack down low.
Lucious, purely for height reasons, will not be the answer on D. Maybe one of the freshmen can step up and provide meaningful minutes. Playing KL and KL2 gives us a distinct height disadvantage on the perimeter. Speaking of which Lucas could stand to improve his D a bit with Allen out, but given that he’s mostly focussed on rehabbing his achilles, I’m not expecting major strides from him. Frankly, if he gets back anywhere near where he was last year I’ll be more than satisified with his performance.
An improvement from Summers would be great, but he’s been so mercurial during the regular season that he’ll have to prove it before I believe he can be a consistent player on both sides of the ball. He really stepped up his game during the tournament these past two years, at least on offense, and he deserves high praise for those performances. This year, he needs to bring that focus for every regular season game, on both ends of the floor.
kebler
With all due respect to the guy, if he is getting real minutes in January, you will know that Izzo thinks there are real defensive gaps out on the perimeter. I think Lucious has been an underestimated defender; I see his role as expanding sharply this year, particularly if Lucas comes back slowly.
I just don't think Lucious has the height
to bother the shot of a 6’4" perimeter shooter. He’s OK as an option against an opposing PG, but with Allen out we may be stuck playing Lucious and Lucas together. I’m worried that leaves us vulnerable against teams with good perimeter shooters.
by TheCrestedHelm on Aug 4, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Lucious has definitely struggled to bother shots
Forgive me, but I remember last year we lost at least one game when Lucious got the switch onto the game wining attempt. Minnesota? Definitely something to work on.
I think it might have been @Illinois
I remember they got the mismatch on McCamey who nailed a three to pretty much ice it at the end.
Lucious had at least a couple bad defensive lapses on the perimeter
vs. Minnesota in the BTT.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 4, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of.
As soon as I saw that switch I thought “Nooooooo!!!” There was no way a redhot McCamey was going to be bothered by a 5’10" Lucious.
But KJ is right, he struggled against Minnesota, too. I’m blurring my memories.
Integrity
I want to see the Spartans compete for championships, but not at the cost of losing the integrity of the program. We may be a piece short next year because of Allen’s departure, time will tell, but if he didn’t meet his obligations, then Izzo had little choice. He has a scholarship to attend the university and play basketball. Allen didn’t keep up his end of the bargain. That scholarship should go to a player who is meeting the obligations of being a student-athlete. It is easy to get lost in our passionate embrace of the basketball team and forget that the university’s mission goes beyond championships. (Though I’m sure it’s a close second.)
Not ideal but it had to happen
Maybe he really wanted out. I know there’s some kind of Lansing or EL connection in his history but everybody else on the team is from the midwest. He managed for 3 years but maybe it got tougher instead of easier to connect with his teammates and now comes Mr. Detroit Basketball to steal his minutes. Personally I thought Lucious was the guy that had to worry but I guess not now. The thought of Lucious as a starter makes me uncomfortable, I hope that’s not true. Losing basically all of your experienced perimeter defenders makes me even more uncomfortable. On the other hand, in today’s world of college hoops freshmen need to play right away. The way these kids get run through the AAU ringer every summer, if you’re any good you’re ready to play. Freshmen make a difference every year on a lot of teams. I believe our freshmen can handle it and I’m excited to see extra PT for Appling and Byrd. Any good player should only be around for 2-3 years so why not get their contributions immediately. The NBA avoids sr’s like the plague and kids know that. If you can play, there’s no need for training wheels. I just hope the kids get healthy. Spending the summer rehabbing injuries is not a good way to prepare to SHOULDER the load for a NC RUN.
Go Hard or get some popcorn
If
you are a good GUARD you should be ready. Centers and forwars are different because most havent grown into their bodies yet.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
Message to D Summers
If you have any desire to hear your name called next June, here’s a golden opportunity to show scouts you can do more than just catch and shoot. Allen stood out on defense last year. Often and obviously it was detrimental to his offense but he filled a need. Summers needs to stand out the same way. Not only because there’s a serious void and the team really needs that but it could also aid his prospects next June. Might want to work on the ball handling a bit too.
Go Hard or get some popcorn
Summers
It would be great if Summers took this as his new calling, but I’ve long suspected that he is a bit contact averse, which is why he doesn’t drive more, and why he isn’t always eager or quick to duck down into the post to help on the defensive end (earning Day-Day’s wrath). At his best, Walton treated every attempted pick with disdain and wasn’t afraid to be close enough to take an elbow. As DS gets stronger and perhaps takes more of a senior leadership role, one hopes that he too might begin to play with that same focus and commitment.
As for CA: I suspect it was not “one thing” that caused the dismissal, but a number of mounting factors (although there may have been a triggering event that made other issues become signifiers of commitment): if, for instance, his schoolwork was lagging enough to potentially become an eligibility issue, or if he had a habit of routinely missing voluntary workouts, that could be spun as “not being a good teammate,” etc. In other words, Izzo needed to see a wholesale commitment from Allen to the program—e.g. on the court, in the locker-room, in the classroom, etc.—and the established criteria were not met. But there must have been some serious lapses in his commitment, attitude, etc. to end like this.
by RobbingGormanThomas on Aug 4, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Ideal
But it seems highly unlikely that Summers will emerge as even an average defender. Of all the players on the team, one could argue Summers had the most defensive lapses. He clearly has the talent to be a force on both sides of the ball so I’m hoping that I’m wrong.
It better have been a serious issue
Whatever “not being a good teammate” meant and whatever “obligations” weren’t met, they better have been serious. Not only because it’d be nice to have Allen and his skills on the team, but because if he’s going to be bounced, much better for him to have it happen in April or May, where he could move on cement himself with a new school and team.
From Allen's Perspective
This may work out for him pretty well in the end. He can go to an average team, spend an extra year continuing to develop his skills, and then be the star of the team for his last season. He could potentially (emphasis there) play himself into the NBA by being the superstar on an average division I team. There was no way that was going to happen at MSU this season no matter how well he played. There just wouldn’t be enough minutes for anyone to be the focal point of the team. Now I’m not saying Allen will ever make it to the NBA, but I think he’s likely to garner a lot more attention nationally the year after next than he would have this coming year.
New school
So a comment was posted in the link to the Maui Invite schedule that Allen is looking at UConn.
Also, yesterday in the Detroit News, there was a column in which his mother was quoted as saying UConn, Notre Dame, Memphis & USF, among others, are on the radar.
Anyone have any insight into this?

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