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Five Important Notes From Big Ten Media Days

[Author's note: This post was written last week, and then was put on hold because of the midweek recruitingpalooza.  So, it's more than a bit tardy, but . . . here it is anyway.  --LVS.]

1.  Dantonio seems to like this team more than last season's.  Rexrode has the lede:

One year ago, Mark Dantonio greeted heightened expectations -- his Michigan State team was picked to finish third in the league by Big Ten media -- with a reminder that MSU would miss departed leaders such as Javon Ringer, Otis Wiley and Brian Hoyer.

As it turns out, lacking intangibles played a role in MSU's 6-7 season in 2009. Now the outside expectations are tempered, but Dantonio has had high praise at the Big Ten's annual media days for the 2010 team's chemistry -- telling TV reporters Monday that it's the best he's seen in his coaching career.

“I guess I did," Dantonio said when asked here today about that comment. "I said best or I said one of the best. Either one of the best or the best, I can’t remember what I said but I’m certainly very excited about it. I just see a bunch of givers on our football team, I see a very unselfish attitude. I don’t see a lot of takers, I see givers. I see guys who care about each other.

It should be stated first that, at TOC, we're statistics-mongers, and therefore are naturally skeptical of arguments about team chemistry and the like.  With that said, it's a nearly-unavoidable conclusion that there was something intrinsically wrong with the makeup of last year's MSU team.  The team suffered many close losses, consistently  struggled to make big plays at important junctures of games, barely showed up to play Penn State once a bowl berth was secure, and, finally, the incident at Rather Hall highlighted the team's character flaws in an excruciatingly embarrassing fashion.

So, it's notable how much more positive Dantonio's outlook was at this year's media day than it was at last year's.  Unlike last year's team -- where the team's quarterback situation was out of flux all season long, and Greg Jones was perhaps a bit uncomfortable with his leadership role on defense -- this year's team has clear leaders.  Kirk Cousins is a natural captain, Jones seems to have seized his leadership responsibilities this season (e.g., spearheading the lamely-named but seemingly productive "Unity Council" following the Rather Hall incident), and Chris Norman and Larry Caper seem like natural leaders for the underclassmen.  This team could have self-destructed after the adversity of last season; it seems to have done the opposite.  And, while it's a favorite pastime of coaches to tamp down expectations when they're high, and inflate hope when expectations are low, Dantonio truly seems much more at ease with this group, and apparently for good reason.

More, after the jump.

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2.  Expect several freshmen to begin contributing immediately.  The preseason roster and depth chart have been released.  The latter doesn't include incoming freshmen who weren't on campus for spring practice, however, and a big theme of Dantonio's remarks was that many newcomers (particularly those on the defensive side of the ball) will have the opportunity to earn playing time immediately.

Obviously, the most celebrated player in the group is Will Gholston.  During his recruitment, Gholston repeatedly stated that he wanted to play linebacker in college*, and that desire may well end up coming to fruition, as he's listed as a linebacker on the roster.  However, Dantonio may have something a bit more sophisticated in mind:

Gholston, a five-star recruit from Southeastern, expects to see plenty of the field, especially with the Spartans playing more 3-4 sets on defense.

"He's 250, 6-foot-6, we're gonna get him on the field somehow," Dantonio said.

Dantonio even compares Gholston to Will Smith, the Pro Bowl defensive end for the New Orleans Saints. Dantonio was Smith's defensive coordinator at Ohio State.

Smith played the "Viper" position at Ohio State, a mix between linebacker and defensive end. He sees that as a possible spot for Gholston.

While at Ohio State, Smith was listed at 6'4", 263.  So, Gholston is a bit lankier, but the physical similarities are substantial.  (Smith now is a full-time defensive end, but he's also bulked up to 283 pounds at this point.)  There's been lots of talk during the offseason about how committed Dantonio and Narduzzi are to playing a 3-4 defense -- but the "viper" combo position that Dantonio seems to have in mind for Gholston may represent the bridge between the two defenses.  Smith was damned near unblockable at Ohio State, so Dantonio's setting the bar quite high -- but if Gholston can live up to the expectations, he'll be the foundation of the defense for the next three or four years.  We'll have a better idea when Will puts on the Green and White for the first time on Monday.

While Gholston may be the headliner of the freshman class, the coaching staff seems to have big, immediate plans for several players.  When Dantonio brought Gholston's name up, it usually was in conjunction with Max Bullough.  Bullough's currently listed as Greg Jones's co-backup (along with Steve Gardiner); it seems clear that the "OR" tag will be shed soon enough and that Bullough's spring performances established him as Jones's heir apparent. 

Mylan Hicks might see the field immediately at cornerback:

Two freshmen receiving rave reviews from teammates are cornerbacks Mylan Hicks (Detroit Renaissance) and Darqueze Dennard of Georgia.

“Those two guys are going to be exciting to watch,” coach Mark Dantonio said. “The heat will be on because they'll have the opportunity to get involved.”

Dantonio mentioned Monday that Hicks could have played for MSU last season, when the secondary lost players to injury

Rexrode concurs on Hicks.  During his opening remarks on Monday, Dantonio rightly emphasized that the team desperately needed to force more turnovers this year than last -- and MSU's secondary only notched 5 interceptions total in 13 games last season.  Given that, and the utterly attrocious pass completion percentage MSU allowed last season, one would have to believe that the opportunities for playing time in the secondary are more plentiful than at any other position group.  If Hicks or Dennard show skills on the ball this month, either could be starting sooner than later.

*In fact, a major Wolverine recruiting pitch was that Gholston would be able to play linebacker in Ann Arbor, but not East Lansing.

3.  We're no closer to finding out who will kick.  Aside from Aaron Bates, of course.  Bates's presence at media day -- as a last-minute replacement for Keith Nichol -- ensured that there'd be more special teams coverage than usual.  And, Rexrode bites:

[Bates] has worked closely with kickers Kevin Muma and Dan Conroy - the neck-and-neck competitors to replace Swenson - along with incoming freshman punter Mike Sadler.

Like Dantonio, Bates said he has no idea who will emerge between Muma and Conroy. They have similar skills and strengths, he said.

"Right now there really isn't a difference," Bates said. "I couldn't tell you who should be kicking. Physically, they're as talented as Swenson, easily. They have as much (distance) or more than Swenson. Where Brett was so good was that he was so mentally tough."

Dantonio reiterated that the competition between the two has "been pretty much even after spring ball," but that he "feels very, very good" about both.  One other interesting bit about the kicking situation came during Dantonio's time at the dais, when, stupefyingly, one of the six questions he fielded was about whether to redshirt a punter:

Q. When you look at the kicker situation I know in the spring you said that Mike Sadler would get a look. People down in Alabama- Mike just got back from a kicking camp said he was consistently putting it in the end zone. Is he a little bit behind the eight ball, are you wanting to redshirt him? Or if he wins it, can he get it?

COACH DANTONIO: When we took Mike Sadler last year where he accepted the offer and it was right at this time last year, to me, it sort of solidified our kicking game for the next five years. He's an outstanding punter. Bates will punt for us.

We hope to redshirt him. But if he's the best, whether it's kicking field goals or kickoffs, he will be the guy. And Mike is a tremendous complement to our recruiting class and one of the most outstanding kickers in this country.

I concur; if Sadler is kicking off far better than anyone else, it's worth foregoing his redshirt year.

4.  Ugh.  The right side of the offensive line.

There's little question who will play on the left side and at center.  The right side . . . be thankful we don't have a lefty quarterback.  Perhaps the only surprise here positions is that Chris McDonald is essentially confirmed as a starter, as there's no "OR" conjoining him with Zach Heuter and/or Antonio Jeremiah.  McDonald played a fair amount at the end of the season against Purdue, Penn State, and Texas Tech, and was a solid 3-star recruit from Utica Ford, so the fact that he's playing is no great surprise.  It's merely a disappointment that Jeremiah seemingly isn't more of a candidate for the position -- not that Dantonio had much of a choice, apparently:

[Jeremiah] had a solid spring, but his weight remains a problem. Asked Monday about Jeremiah's assumed weight decrease, Dantonio said dryly, “It's up.”

Dantonio went into greater detail today: “He's an outstanding athlete. It's disappointing -- you have to get your weight under control to be able to play at a high level. But we're going to find a way to try and get him through this. He is a very talented athlete, and I thought he had a very good spring.”

Jeremiah is listed at 6-feet-5 and 360 pounds.

Jeremiah was thought to be the best prospect from Dantonio's first recruiting class, so his continuing struggles are a major frustration.  The switch from defense to offense probably represented his last best chance to make an impact.  Barring a major physical turnaround during the next four weeks, it's probably safe to write him off as a lost cause, as he's unlikely to win a starting job as a senior ahead of two younger players with (presumably) more experience at that point.

The one unsettled position is at right tackle, where your starter is either J'Michael Deane or Jared McGaha.  Neither played much last season after the non-con tomato cans (aside from McGaha's play on special teams), although we've heard about Deane's athleticism for quite some time now.  A while back, Rexrode listed Deane as #5 on his  his "Top 10 Spartans Who Could Surprise" list; based on highly flimsy evidence, I think he'll be the starter against WMU.

However, a substantial amount of chatter at media day revolved around the third candidate for the right tackle slot: Henry Conway, last year's scout team darling.

Conway missed spring ball with a neck injury and saw some specialists in the offseason before he was cleared to participate. He has been working out for "three or four weeks," Dantonio said.

Conway was identified as a possible contender to start at right tackle before the spring injury. He and fellow redshirt freshman tackle David Barrent are massive players - Conway is 6-foot-6, 304 pounds [ . . . ]

"He's got a big, physical presence and he's tough," Dantonio said of Conway.

You really get the sense that had Conway not been injured, he would have been the favorite to start.  As it is, he has catching up to do after missing spring practice, but I wouldn't be stunned if he ends up leapfrogging Deane and/or McGaha.  Conway is clearly the long-term option.

5.  "Smash right through that line of Blue" . . . or Purple?

The most interesting news from the press conferences may have been this tidbit from Mark Hollis:

Hollis would not share much of his plan for divisions, but he did say Northwestern "has a lot of value to Michigan State" and that he would like the Spartans and Wildcats to meet annually in the new format. [ . . . ]

Right now, each Big Ten team has two "protected" rivals that it plays every season. MSU's are Michigan and Penn State.

Hollis said the Penn State series is "a very important rivalry" for MSU, so it sounds like he'd like MSU, U-M, Northwestern and Penn State to be in the same division, along with two other unnamed programs.

Rexrode wrote the piece, and so the opinion at the end is his.  However, he seemed to completely back off the Penn State angle in a blog post written the next day:

If the only protected games are within divisions in Hollis' plan, he has MSU with rival Michigan, and Michigan with rival Ohio State. And that's why I'm guessing his plan also has Penn State in the other division. Just a guess, and I know Hollis said that rivalry is "very important" to MSU, but he didn't call it untouchable. I just can't see how he would propose to be stuck with U-M, Ohio State AND Penn State. Penn State's out, Northwestern becomes a newfound rivalry of emerging programs and MSU plays in Chicago every other year.

I think his revised opinion is right.  Hollis went out of his way to talk about how much he wants us to play Northwestern every year, and it's clear that the possibility of Michigan rotating off is a non-starter.*  Compare that with his language about Penn State: "a very important rivalry."  Like Rexrode, I see that as the start of an attempt to ease us out of PSU as an every-year game.  Personally, I'd be more than fine with that.  Our record against them is abysmal, PSU is a long trip and tickets are relatively difficult to come by, we have no historical connection to them, and the winner gets the worst trophy in sports.  Nobody's going to shed a tear if they come off the schedule twice per decade.

As for Northwestern . . . it makes plenty of sense.  MSU has more alums in Chicago than anywhere else out-of-state (although I think that every Big Ten team save PSU could say the same thing), and our series against them in the last fifteen years or so has been very competitive.  It's a great road game trip, it's not very far from Lansing, tickets are easy to come by, and we win plenty of the games we play against them.  (At least, far more than we do against PSU).  I've long wanted to ditch the PSU protected rivalry for either Northwestern or Purdue -- and if Hollis can pull it off, it'd be a fantastic thing.

*As confirmed by Dave Brandon, Michigan's new AD: “There’s such wide awareness of the two rivalries,” he said today at the Hyatt Regency McCormick Place. “I don’t spend half a second worrying about whether we’re going to play Ohio State every year or Michigan State every year. I don’t spend half a second worrying about that because it’s going to happen."

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Penn State

Is there any other rivalry where the two teams wish they weren’t playing a rivalry? This might be the worst “rivalry” in CFB, or even all of sports.

Meanwhile, I like the idea of Northwestern becoming a rival. Our games against them have been undeniably entertaining of late. (2006 comeback, 2007 shootout, 2008 had a 6-1 MSU vs 6-0 NU I think)

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Aug 9, 2010 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

MSU/PSU is a “manufactured” rivalry that just hasn’t caught on with the fans on either side. It just can’t compare to the “organic” rivalries we have (UM, ND) that are born out of history and animosity.
I wouldn’t mind losing PSU off the schedule once in awhile either.
Love the Northwestern idea- always fun to see Ryan Field swimming in Green & White!

by Spartan D on Aug 10, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

We gotta...

…play someone the last game of the year and their aren’t a lot of dance partners free. Might as well be Penn State as Northwestern. Hope Hollis never, ever gets his wish on divisions. I’m really becoming a geographic fundamentalist. Burn the apostate!

Between making the uniforms worse, scheduling (as always, it’s hard to know where to apportion blame here) no non-conference games against BCS competition that aren’t ND, and playing 1-AA teams for the first time, I’m tending to grumble at his ADship. But he’s kept the program in the black, so you shouldn’t complain too much.

by witless chum on Aug 10, 2010 6:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Well

For now at least you have home and homes with WVU and Bama to look forward to in the next 5 years. Dunno if that might change with a 9 game conference slate.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

WVU...

…is a replacement for ND while they take a break. I think I missed a series with USF, too.

We used to always play ND plus one BCS team and then two would-be punching bags.

by witless chum on Aug 10, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love the fact that ND needs a "break" from our series...

but not Purdue or Michigan.

Records in the last 10

vs. PU 7-3
vs. UM 5-5
vs. MSU 4-6

F’n pansies.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 10, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stretch that to 15...

….and we look even better at 9-5 (they took a previous break for 1995 and 1996 seasons). Saban’s teams used to do some quality Irish-stomping. Stretch it farther and we look worse, of course.

by witless chum on Aug 11, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually even if you stretch to 1988 (ND's last "NC") (which gets MSU/ND to 20 meetings)

It looks like this:

vs. PU 17-5
vs. UM 9-8-1
vs. MSU 11-9

It should be 9-6 over the last 15. I would hope that after this season we can say that we’re 10-10 over the last 20 meetings.

With a record like that why would ND ever drop Purdue?

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe that the scheduling of Montana State and Nothern Colorado occured...

under the leadership of the sainted Ron Mason.

 Next year we have Youngstown State and FAU (AGAIN???!!!!!) and CMU so I don’t know where to draw the line either.

I’ve posted somewhere else, but its really, really ridiculous that we scheduled Northern Colorado. They are unbelievably bad. And were when they were scheduled.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 10, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're going to slum it

slum it 100%. Otherwise you could be down by less than a field goal with about no time left, and it could be blocked. Could you imagine the humilation? I sure couldn’t.

by Pete Rossman on Aug 10, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

As far as appearances go, a 1-AA is a 1-AA is a 1-AA. If you’re going to do it, at least schedule a punching bag.

by LVS on Aug 10, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is a huge difference between playing the 2x defending national champions in their league...

and a f’n tomato can that has won 6 games over the last 5 seasons.

Either is bad. Ours is worse.

Hopefully this is something that will change when we go to 16X4=64.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 10, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could be substantially worse

We could be the defending mythical national champions playing a team in their first year of competition (not merely first in 1-AA, mind you … first year in the NCAA at any level).

by SpartanDan on Aug 10, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would that be um....

Alabama vs. Georgia State?

Should they remain ranked #1 after this game if the score is not 221-0?

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 10, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The PSU "rivalry"

was a lame attempt to manufacture one, which has failed. PSU fans don’t look on us as rivals and the feeling is mutual. If I had to guess I’d say most PSU fans probably view OSU and UofM as their cheif rivals – because the games against those teams have traditionally had Big Ten title implications. Unfortunately, as those two teams are already spoken for (where a final season-ending game is concerned) PSU is stuck with someone else, but there’s no emotional reason for it to be us.

I’m not saying I’m against playing them as an every-year lock-in game, but there’s no reason to choose them over Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, or anyone else whose not Michigan. U of M is our only true rivalry game at this point (for football – Wisconsin definitely counts in hoops).

by TheCrestedHelm on Aug 10, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

If we are going to "drop" PSU as a rival...

I’d rather do it from a position of strength (ie. a couple wins in Happy Valley) more wins at home.

Now it looks like we’re trying to slink off to play a “lesser” (From a national media standpoint. NU has been a solid squad for sometime now) opponent.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 10, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I understand the sentiment

It would be nice if we dropped them when we’re closer to even in the series, or at least had broken even in recent years, but I really don’t care enough to worry about whether they perceive us as trying to duck them for an easier win. I care about beating Penn State about as much as I care about beating Minnesota or Illinois – unless it has title implications it’s just not any more important than any other Big Ten game. If we switch to playing someone we’re more competitive with at present that’s fine with me.

by TheCrestedHelm on Aug 10, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

David Barrent

What’s the word on him. I see him mentioned in passing every now and then but when he committed there was talk that he could start day one. Was he injured or just not a good as advertised?

by That Guy Green on Aug 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

He had back surgery and missed most of spring practice.

He’s currently listed at left tackle, but depending on how atrocious the situation at right tackle is, he could definitely slide over to that side of the line. Ultimately, it’s going to be difficult to keep a 6’8", 308 guy out of the lineup.

by LVS on Aug 10, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Random Question of the day...

I was wondering if anyone knew if the “Michigan State” in Spartan Stadium’s end zones would be in the new font… I think it would be pretty cool and the first step in getting the fan base to totally accept/identify with the new brand image.

Anyone have more info?

"We were a little fat and sassy" -Tom Izzo

by itsalwaysunnyinEL on Aug 10, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I was actually hoping they'd not make a big deal about it...

so it won’t look so bad when the eventually go back to the current font.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 10, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

o god

so i have to look at that new S in hugeness all season.

by tbone521 on Aug 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Unless it's replaced with the helmet logo

Which seems possible given that the rebranding was trying to unify athletics looks. Block S is a University logo, while the helmet is more specific to the sports teams.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Aug 10, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be alright

With the helmet. That might not be that bad at all.

by SpartyOn37 on Aug 11, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Alignment

Why not a North/South
North South
State Penn State
Michigan OSU
Wisconsin Iowa
Minnesota Nebraska
Northwestern Illinois
Purdue Indiana

The corresponding team is your one protected game. You play every one in you division once, your protected game, and then rotate through the other 5 schools playing 3 every year. Over any 4 year time period you would have at least a one home and away series with of the 5 other schools. 2 schools would be on for 3 of the 4 years, again this rotates. If you hosted 2 of 3 the first time through you only host 1 of three the next time through.

by evl2 on Aug 11, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Two reasons

1) The conference is at least three times as wide E-W as it is N-S. Maybe four times.
2) The resulting competitive balance, at least in the short term, is unbelievably skewed. That splits the top 6 4-2, with the one that has clearly separated themselves from the rest (OSU) in with the 4. I’m all for geography over short-term balance, but you can have both with an East-West split.

(Aside from that, if you do it that way – switch Minn and Wisc’s permanent rivals. Wisconsin really wants a series with Nebraska, and Iowa-Minnesota is a more heated rivalry than Iowa-Wisconsin.)

by SpartanDan on Aug 13, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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