Welcome Aboard: Denzel Valentine
It may seem odd that State now has more basketball than football commitments in the month of August, but PG/wing Denzel Valentine became the second player to join the 2012 recruiting class. As mentioned before, the 6'5", 205 lb. guard from Lansing is the son of former MSU player and current Sexton coach Carlton Valentine. Like Travis Trice, Valentine improved his stock with a great July on the AAU circuit, therefore his current recruiting rankings won't show his current ability. Nevertheless, here they are:
RIVALS: No ranking
SCOUT: No ranking
ESPN: Grade of 89, #32 SG
Like Trice, expect Valentine to be ranked pretty strongly when the first rankings come out. Even in May, he was impressing, prompting lifeinlansing.com writer St8IzGr8 to make this statement:
Smart, smart, SMART player. Can't do enough justice to that fact, that Denzel so clearly thinks the game. He never seems to be in a hurry. The Stangs have to use him as something of a point forward, because they lack size, but everything runs through him. He sees the floor exceptionally well...I had him with THREE no-look passes out of post ups for baskets. His court vision is outstanding.
You know how "Draymond Green has a high basketball IQ" is entering the pantheon of announcer talking points (number one all time: anything about the war drill, edging out "Drew Neitzel is ambidextrous")? The good news for them is that when Valentine dons the green and white in 2012, they can just pencil his name in over Green's. Joe Stapleton of UMHoops saw the same thing when he saw Valentine at the Adidas Shootout in July:
Denzel Valentine: Denzel had a good game in the one I saw him play, which is becoming the routine. He shot the ball well and showed off his post moves. One thing I haven’t mentioned: I think he gets to be a better passer every game. He runs point for the Mustangs, and I he might never be a true point guard because of his quickness but he’s certainly adept enough to initiate an offense, the vision is there.
UMHoops also has AAU highlights of Valentine here for your perusal. This improvement throughout July led to offers from not only MSU but Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgetown as well. Due to his aforementioned court intelligence, Valentine is going to draw comparisons from many to be the guard version of Draymond Green. These comparisons are apt, but Valentine's also strong enough to muscle inside and grab a few rebounds. From UMHoops again:
He wasn’t running the point as much because he was in with Harrison-Docks most of the time, but he still managed to get a few dimes in. He rebounded really well in the game I saw, banging down low with the bigs. That’s something you can’t forget: Valentine is a big, strong guy and he works his butt off.
With Valentine's commitment, one spot remains open in 2012. The most likely candidates for the spot are Matt Costello or Gary Harris, and with all the wing commitments as of late, Costello might be the most logical addition to the class. However, if some attrition were to occur (example - Payne going pro after two years Edit - both Costello and Harris would have to wait two years to commit though for this to be a reality, so this won't happen. HT to KJ for the heads-up), a spot could open up. Stranger things have happened, and the possibility could still exist for the Spartans to take Costello and Harris depending on events.
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Sayonara Harris, Hello Dillema
First off welcome to sparty nation Valentine.
I loved Gary Harris, but to be honest I dont want another wing now. We’re pretty set on that front for the next decade or so lol.
I think now Izzo should be solely focused (recruiting wise) on determining who the better player is between Hare and Costello. I know I know I know everyone is drinking the Costello kool aid right now, but even so due dillegence should be done, especially with Izzos shakey record with developing centers.
We have two extremely talented bigs who Id be very happy to have either of, and are both extremely interested in MSU right now. This is a good problem to have. Lets sit back and watch the upcoming high school season and how these players develop before we make a decision.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
Costello
I have no real information, but people keep talking about Costello committing early. With the fact that he would be the only True Big coming for both 2011-2012 recruiting classes, you’d have to imagine he’d be very excited about the playing time he’d have and the players around him.
I could see a swift recruitment and we’d be done with 2012.
Harris or Costello
First of all welcome Valentine to the Spartan family. I would love for the Spartans to take both Harris and Costello but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. Even with all the rest of the committments, I want MSU to get Harris. He seems like a can’t miss guy and with his talent, he’s going to find his way onto the court. Now he might not want to come and they take Costello which I’m fine with. Maybe something happens and we can take both Harris and Costello but I’m not cheering for people to leave early. Izzo is on fire right now. Go green and white
Hare or Costello
Seems like it has to be a big and if we get either one of these guys we will be all right. What are the pros and cons between the two kids right now?
From what Ive gathered
Hare is very long and has a soft touch, but doesnt really do much offensively aside from dunk. Kid can block pretty well it seems. He needs to bulk up more to be able to be effective.
Costello seems more gritty and has a better shot. He seems more developed physically.
Hare has more NBA/impact upside. Upside is the key word. Costello seems like more of a Big Ten player with less upside, although he has some great potential. Both seem like great gets.
Im not sure how accurate or indepth I can really get on them, I defer to mah homies Intrpdtrvlr, KJ, or Con-T on the really deep stuff. But thats the simple report Ive kind of gathered from what ive heard.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
I defer your deferral to the two other TOCers you name
except to say that it sure seems like Izzo has had good success with less highly-acclaimed big men who fit his system: Granger, Ballinger, Naymick, Suton. Roe and Green are obviously more athletic than those guys, although they both came in with reputations for being skilled big men. Hasn’t necessarily been a strong correlation between recruiting profiles and on-court success for Izzo-era big men.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Aug 10, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
And what I've always said is
the ultimate deal for me is that (and this could always change) issue has made Costello a significant priority and Hare is barely on the map. That’s about all I need to know right now.
by intrpdtrvlr on Aug 10, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
What's left
It’s too bad; Harris is a great kid (and a can’t miss talent), and Costello, who’s skill set doesn’t seem totally Izzo-esque, but personality wise very much so seems to be. I think both are more ultimately more talented than Denzel, but that’s not to take anything away from him.
Izzo will love his work ethic and high IQ. I think he can be a good rotation player, though never a star. He’s a borderline 4, but a 3-star talent to me I suppose at this point, if you want a ranking.
Agree to disagree
I actually think that Denzel is a more gifted talent at least on the offensive end than is Harris.
Harris looks to score more and he has the edge in athleticism without question but there’s far more to talent than just speed and hops. At this point I compare Harris to another former MSU target, Dexter Strickland. People hyped him up as a can’t miss surefire superstar and he struggled noticeably in his first year at UNC. Not saying he won’t be very good as a soph but just mentioning that stars don’t mean everything. I’ve been much more impressed with Valentine’s sophomore year highlights than I am with Harris’. Obviously only time will tell who’s right but I like my chances;)
by LickSplickidy on Aug 10, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
With only a big to get and two can't miss options there for 2012... On to 2013
What’s the word on Cha Cha Tucker and Steve Haney?
by That Guy Green on Aug 10, 2010 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
Talking 2013
Maybe it’s just me, but talking about the 2013 class seems a bit premature. I mean, positions of concern for that class, sure. But specific recruits… Just seems amiss, IMO.
Premature to talk specifics, yeah,
but, generally, there appears to be a lot of in-state talent, especially at the point guard position. If Izzo has two or three spots, filling them should be no problem.
More gloating than anything
The fact that feasibly Izzo could be moving on to 2013 in the next week or two is fantastic.
Also watched a highlight video on Valentine and I came away more impressed than expected. He looks real smooth and under control on both ends and deceptively quick.
by That Guy Green on Aug 10, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Big guards
Love that Valentine can help to continue the tradition of big guards (hopefully) excelling at MSU… Magic, Steve Smith, Alan Anderson…
Good point
If there’s a criticism of the current guard rotation, it’d have to be size on the defensive end.
by witless chum on Aug 11, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions

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