LIVE THREAD: Big Ten Divisions Announcement Show
by Pete Rossman on Sep 1, 2010 5:28 PM CDT
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PrintOK, so we most likely know what the divisions are going to be, and that those divisions will apply for football only. Still, there should still be some good information coming out of this special, and what else do you have to watch at 7 on a Wednesday night? Tune into the Big Ten Network or bigtennetwork.com and follow along in this thread.
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Conference Games
Anybody hear anything about whether cross divisional games will count other than as tie breakers?
I got the following from a friend, he said it was off Scout, but didn’t send me the link.
“As far as what games count towards the Championship Game — we’re now told that the Big Ten is likely to come out and say they will copy the SEC model …”
The SEC model is that cross division games don’t count. I believe the rumor of this news resulted in facepalms earlier this week…
Ah ok
I still haven’t been able to find anything confirming this, but that makes me feel better.
by trivialstuff16 on Sep 1, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
X and O
for division names? They couldn’t come up with anything better?
"we want to see how the television partners respond to this"
At least he’s honest about it
So, rivalries and geography were key factors
I call B.S. on that right now. At least three current protected rivalries are completely eliminated (PSU-MSU, Purdue-NW, Wisc-Iowa), and three more are cross-division (Mich-OSU, Wisc-Minn, NW-Ill). And geographically it’s 4-2 in each division.
My vote: 9 FAILS out of 10. And you can’t get 10 unless you’re actively trying to.
Can't be
Mich-OSU, Wisc-Minn, NW-Ill should all be final weekend, so what’s that leave for the rest? Purdue-Indiana and Iowa-Nebraska would be obvious, except that we don’t play PSU every year.
Yup
We’ll be playing Northwestern in ’11 and Minnesota in ’12. Looks like there will be no annual “last game” matchup.
by Ducking Delvon on Sep 1, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Indiana
Indiana is our ‘protected’ annual matchup. Minnesota and Northwestern are in the same division as we are, so we play them every year.
Correct
I meant that we will no longer play the same team on the last weekend of the season. Looks like our last game is going to rotate.
by Ducking Delvon on Sep 1, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa!
Ok, how did we get hosed for the first two years? Based on the schedule posted on the BigTen site, the two “random” cross-division teams we get for 2011 and 2012 are Ohio State and Wisconsin…
Meanwhile UM gets
to miss PSU and Wisconsin in the first year. Maybe trying to set up a UM- OSU championship game in the inaugural one?
aarrgghh
by trivialstuff16 on Sep 1, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ding ding ding
Not that it will matter, as Minnesota’s probably the only team in division that’s worse.
MSU's 2011 Big Ten Schedule
10/1: @OSU
10/8: Bye
10/15: Mich
10/22: Wisc
10/29: @Neb
11/5: Minn
11/12: @Iowa
11/19: IU
11/26: @NU
Well, that confirms it
They even screwed up Rivalry Week.
/stomps off to type an angry letter to Delany
I, for one, am happy
to sacrifice some minor traditions among lesser teams in order to save THE GAME.
/not really
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Sep 1, 2010 6:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just sent a letter to the address the BTN put up
Something along the lines of “This couldn’t be worse unless you were deliberately trying to screw up” and “Learn the lessons of the Big XII: they messed around with existing rivalries, and that’s why Nebraska is not in the Big XII anymore”.
I actually think
that the UM OSU game needs to be saved. That is one of the greatest annual nonchampionship matchups in any sport simply due to the tradition it carries.
Ooonst ooonst muthafucka!
I'm significantly less excited now
than I was this afternoon, after seeing the way the schedule broke for us the first couple years.
Next year is going to be brutally tough. Here’s hoping RR keeps UM in the tank to give our schedule some competitive balance.
Yea
I’m of the opinion that in the long run this divisional set up is very favorable for MSU in the long run. We just won’t reap the benefits much from a scheduling perspective the next two years.
by trivialstuff16 on Sep 1, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
And I have to point out that, given IU as our fixed rival, the odds of drawing 2 from the OSU/PSU/Wis group were decent: 30%.
Assuming there was a randomized draw, that is.
Fight for The Only Colors: Green and White!
by KJ@theonlycolors on Sep 1, 2010 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm assuming it was random
So that’s a good point. I’m curious how they do it going forward.
I’m told the SEC uses a rotation where one team rotates off and another rotates on every year. So for us using 2011 as the starting point we would have something like this as our crossdivision games. Obviously who came on would could be different but it would be this type of rotation
Wisconsin, @OSU
OSU, @Purdue
Purdue, @PSU
PSU, @Illinois
Illinois, @Wisconsin
That gives you the home and home while setting up a rotation so you don’t have the exact same schedule every year. I don’t know if this is any better, although if you wouldn’t necessarily be locked into the same really tough schedule two years in a row.
by trivialstuff16 on Sep 1, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly never even think about Minnesota.
The only sport at which they excel…hockey…is still a “non-conference” game…Which in someone’s infinite wisdom has been canceled (the college hockey showcase).
Really had no desire to be in a division with them.
They are the only team I feel that way about.
I guess so...
If you consider a losing conference record (26-28: 8-10,9-9, 9-9) and two NCAA first round flameouts a “decent job”.
Northwestern is harder then Michigan right now
And, with Pat Fitzgerald as their coach and Rich-Rod as Michigan’s man, here’s to guessing that trend continues further in the direction of the ’Cats. The Wildcats, that is.
Make sure to get season tickets in 2012
Notre Dame, Ohio State, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern. And 2 tomato cans.
PP-TPW.
The Only Colors
2013 & 2014
Drop OSU and Wisconsin, and add one of the following combos:
Illinois/Purdue
Illinois/PSU
Purdue/PSU
Doesn’t look as bad, considering we’ll have IU as the 3rd team from that division.
These divisions are ridiculous
I felt like they should have gone geography to begin with, but now I’m definitively in that corner.
They might as well have with this crap.
Last weekend
Don’t the SEC and Big 12 all have teams from the same division play each other in the last weekend? Outside of whether THE GAME could be played back-to-back, doesn’t this open up all sorts of bad scenarios where a team that already has won a division (and not worried about BCS) could be playing a team leading another division and not play all out?
I’m fine with the division set-up, I just think playing across division lines the last week of the year could lead to some issues eventually.
Yes, they do.
And it’s also traditional rivalries in the last week, which is why you keep traditional rivals in the same division.
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