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Michigan State 64, Wisconsin 61 - Somehow

You're looking for me to say something meaningful here.  It could be gracious.  It could be revelatory.  It could be utterly nonsenical, the kind of onomatopoeia that comes from a play so spectacular or meaningful or both that the only reaction you can muster is to throw your two hands upon your keyboard and LKUASDHF;ALEAWE;HS.   I have nothing.

The facts are these: Michigan State trailed Wisconsin 53-44 with 2:37 remaining.  A 9-point deficit against most teams with that much time left is nearly hopeless; against Wisconsin it seems fatal.  But yet...well, let's go back to the beginning to see how MSU got here.

Star-divide

1st Half: An exercise in frustration to say the least.  Keaton Nankevil, the latest project of the Brian Butch Cloning Center in Madison, scored 8 of Wisconsin's first 19 points as the Badgers went up by 12 against MSU.  The defense was stalwart, and aided by scores from expected (Lucas, Green) and unexpected (Thornton and Payne - and Payne's on a smooth jumper no less!) sources MSU got it within three by halftime.  The half was frustrating for two reasons: one because MSU aside from a couple of set plays could not generate its offense, and two, whenever Nankevil saw a sliver of daylight from behind the three-point line he took and sunk the shot.

2nd Half: Hey!  Keith Appling and Draymond make threes to help put MSU up by three!  Then, trouble.  Before the game it was written that State couldn't allow Leuer, Nankevil and Jordan Taylor to go wild; they went one for three in this regard.  Leuer was held relatively ineffective on offense from halftime on, but Nankevil and Taylor scored 23 of Wisconsin's 30 points in the second half.  When Taylor sunk his second free throw to put Wisconsin up nine with 2:37 left the rest of the game seemed like a formality.

And now we're back.  So what happened that allowed MSU to tie the game?

 - Draymond, meet beast mode.  Beast mode, Draymond. His 3-pointer brings MSU within six, and there'll be much more about him in a bit.

-  Wisconsin takes a minute off the clock, gets an offensive rebound, but can't score.  Kalin draws a foul going to the basket (take note - DRIVING TO THE BASKET IS GOOD.) and goes 1-2 from the line.  Don't tell me it didn't feel like the game ended on the missed free throw.

- Pressure defense, and for the first time I can recall, it works.  Roe strips Leuer, and a couple passes gets the ball to Keith Appling for a dunk.  53-50.

- Timeout MSU, which allows them to guard the inbounds pass.  Again for the first time I can recall, MSU gets Rob Wilson to cave and he steps on the baseline trying to save the ball.  MSU's possession.

- 12 seconds later, Korie Lucious is as close to MSU's bench as possible without being out of bounds. Naturally, he takes the shot.  Naturally, his legend grows.  Tie game.

- Great defense causes a missed three by Tim Jarmusz.  MSU with the ball, and Kalin has as open a path to the basket as Drew Neitzel did in 2006 against Texas.  Nankevil's there though, and gets all ball. 

Overtime: This isn't going into bullet points.  It's mostly a blur for me.  I just remember Draymond doing everything - 3-pointer, good.  Get a lay-up off an offensive rebound.  Get defensive rebounds.  Go 3-4 from the foul line.  By the time the fog cleared, MSU was up 1 with 29 seconds left.  Then came the defensive performance of the season.

Three other Spartans helped, but most of the credit should go to Appling and Roe.  For the first part of the possession Appling denied Taylor room to drive, and a switch found Roe on Taylor.  Roe bend but did not break, and forced Taylor into a bad shot.  Kalin collected the rebound and drained both free throws to make a Wisconsin comeback academic.  

Tempo-free analysis is for tomorrow.  For now, know that both teams had nearly equal turnover percentages and effective field goal percentages.  MSU had the advantages on the offensive boards and going to the line, and despite a free throw percentage that still needs work, they won.  Some may say the Spartans finally showed heart; I think it's been there all along.  

There's still a lot to do on the mental end.  The offense stalls out  for minutes at a time, and is still struggling to figure out how to score in the post without Raymar Morgan.  However, the defense is much better than it has been at this point in past seasons (they held the Badgers under 100 in offensive efficiency), and the scores came when they absolutely needed to, which is an improvement over three days ago.

In these games, MSU's going to need a better performance from Durrell in the future (3 points, but 6 rebounds - 2nd most on the team) but I think his scoring today was more of an aberration than indicative of a pattern.  The post scoring needs to improve - Garrick Sherman's been invisible since Big Ten play started, and Derrick Nix is the big body MSU needs but is a liability against big men that don't post up, and can't give more than 10-15 minutes a game.

Despite that though, Michigan State forced overtime from nine down with two and a half minutes left.  When the shots didn't fall, the defense kept the score close enough to mount a comeback.  In overtime, the stops MSU came when needed most. There's been a lot of criticism - well warranted -  about whether the 2011 Spartan team was a traditional Spartan team.  For the last seven and a half minutes of the game Tuesday night, they took a significant step about laying that criticism to rest.

P.S. - How good does it feel to beat Bo Ryan again?  Really, really good.

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Payback

Wisconsin has given us some epic losses in the past (02, 04, 05, 08 come to mind). Glad to see we finally gave them a heartbreaker.

by Never Nude on Jan 11, 2011 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Not 'finally'

‘Again’

MSU beat Wisconsin 4 times in the spring of 2000, including in the Final Four.
MSU was the first team Wisconsin faced after getting a #1 ranking for the first time ever in 2007 and MSU beat them in the Breslin Center.

This is a beautifully painful rivalry, for both schools.

by njd on Jan 11, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

A win over Bo Ryan to remember

He has overacheived so many times against us, it was nice to win a game that we shouldn’t against him.

That reminds me of a question that some average Spartan fan asked Izzo at a Spartan Pep Rally before the Big Ten Tournament in Indy:

“Why does Bo Ryan suck so much?” Izzo chuckled and said that the better not comment on that one. It was inappropriate, but I am always reminded of it when I see Bo Ryan.

by JimmyB! on Jan 12, 2011 2:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

Both teams have beaten each other a fair number of times in this rivalry.

It just seems like MSU is the team that tends to lose in hearbreaking fashion (I’m still angry over the 08 BTT foul-out debacle). This was the first time I remember Wisconsin losing to us that manner.

by Never Nude on Jan 12, 2011 7:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Draymond's stat line

26 pts, 9 rebounds (4 offensive), 4 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks, 2 turnovers. Beast mode indeed.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Jan 11, 2011 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

BEAST MODE?

On [x] Off [ ]

by TheChosenOne30 on Jan 12, 2011 1:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

keith appling

looks like the reincarnation of travis walton out there. by his senior season he is an all american.

by brook194 on Jan 11, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

Appling

I see Keith having the kind of jump Kalin made from frosh to soph year or what Neitzel did from soph to junior year. He is kind of a mix of the two guys. I watched the title game his junior year (of HS) and watched him take on Ray McCallum last year and the kid can flat out score. And in a variety of ways. He is the next First Team All Big Ten guard at MSU, next season.

Biggest thing I took from the game vs McCallum was he was checking McCallum the entire game and put up numbers offensively while McCallum barely guarded Keith at all. He’s been getting set to be a stopper since HS.

by That Guy Green on Jan 11, 2011 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

One thing that really stood out to me in this game...

was the way that MSU’s offense stalled when we settled for jumpers/3pointers, and how it thrived when we didn’t try to force shots early in the possession and actually looked to the post. I know that Draymond played really well, but he was most effective when he didn’t force shots and played from the post (with the exception of overtime when he went into beast mode).

I really would like to see Draymond take 3 or fewer three’s per game. If he does that but continues to take around 12 shots a game, I think our offense really becomes more effective. It’s clear that Izzo’s game plan at the beginning of the game was to get going in the post, but we started getting away from that after the frist few minutes. Lets stick in the post. I think it’ll be good.

by dcspartan1 on Jan 12, 2011 2:01 AM CST reply actions  

Lucas....

…really seemed to faltering down the stretch. The two quick fouls (one bizarre) and he just seemed very off.

But they won anyway.

by witless chum on Jan 12, 2011 5:40 AM CST reply actions  

Well one of those should have been a held ball

Taylor stuck the ball right in his gut and he just grabbed it. I don’t care if it was down under Wisconsin’s basket and Taylor “never makes mistakes like that”, the refs should not have called that a foul. Taylor made a rare mistake and should have had to pay for it. Instead the refs bailed him out.

by TheCrestedHelm on Jan 12, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The other call was awful as well

Kalin got called on a foul for trying to fight through an obvious moving screen.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jan 12, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Always nice ...

to beat Wisflopson at the Brez. I nominate Bruesewitz for Best Actor -Major Flop on the steal (foul?) by Day Day. Green looked like the Dancing Bear, again.

by MSU1978 on Jan 12, 2011 6:52 AM CST reply actions  

I was livid at that flop

Not only did Dayday get a clean steal…but Brusewitz then fell to the floor and layed there as if he had just been decapitated. That was taking flops to a knew level.

by Never Nude on Jan 12, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

The thing about the flopping is

It’s such a cheap way to win games. So glad that isn’t a staple of MSU basketball.

by TMadison25 on Jan 12, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a foul

While the steal was clean, Draymond clearly kneed Brusewitz in the thigh/groin on that play so it was a legitimate foul. I originally thought it was a soccer-style flop but on the replay, it was clear that there was some major body contact that you don’t see if you are only looking at the ball.

by mikegostate on Jan 12, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Not as upset at the foul call

as the horrific acting by Brusewitz and other Wisconsin floppers the entire game. Flopping blatantly exploits the rules of defense. When a player is out of control and runs over a set player, yeah… call the charge. But to try to slide over and take a charge regardless of how much contact is made means the player couldn’t defend their basket as intended. It’s cheap, sloppy and reckless.

by TMadison25 on Jan 12, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Defense creates offense....

This is a basketball strategy forgotten at times, but certainly seemed to be true to State in this game. When they played the agressive defense they really seemed to get the buckets they need. If you ask me 1 game is too small of a sample to say this is their problem for the whole season. But it sure seemed to work down the stretch this time, that elevating the intensity of the game brought a lot into focus and created opportunities.

by spartyCPA on Jan 12, 2011 7:00 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Izzo/Ryan

Anyone notice, I believe it was before one of the last possessions in a game, when Bo was giving it to an official right before the inbounds pass and Izzo was shaking his head as if to say, “Wow, you’re really stopping the game to listen to more of that?”

Not that Izzo doesn’t lobby refs, just thought it was a weird moment and does make me wonder if the rivalry is really that personal. I don’t think I’d see Izzo complaining in that instance if it were Weber.

Of course, I could be making things up. I watched the game on DVR and it’s pretty much a blur at this point.

by Crosseyed on Jan 12, 2011 7:43 AM CST reply actions  

Yup

Wisconsin was about to inbound it on their last possession, coming out of a timeout, game on the line… and Bo holds everything up for another 30 seconds to complain to the refs. Izzo just held his arms out like “what the hell are we waiting for, let’s play the game!”

by Never Nude on Jan 12, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Valentine

I blame that on Valentine being Valentine. No other ref, except for our other buddy Hightower, would have stalled the action like that. Total crap.

On a related note, once it was clear Valentine was hurting, he should have excused himself. Having an immobile ref out there is dangerous. He could hardly pick the ball off the ground so how could he be an effective ref?

by mikegostate on Jan 12, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Like being out of position

on a perfect block by Payne which was overturned? Yeah, Valentine’s officiating wasn’t top notch yesterday.

by TMadison25 on Jan 12, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I just don’t see how having him “tough it out” is a good thing when his ability to officiate properly was clearly impacted. On the positive side, perhaps this is a lingering injury and we won’t see him ref a big 10 game for awhile.

by mikegostate on Jan 12, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

those refs

stopped the game in the middle of play 3 or 4 times to review things or talk it over. they did not have their ducks in a row, and it was screwing up the flow of the game.

by one23 on Jan 12, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Well the statsheet stats are in

and we held them to below a point per possession at .984. They average about 1.18 PPP so we held them well below where they usually are. Roe definitely deserves the praise he’s been getting. Leuers line: 3 of 9 shooting with 3 turnovers and 7 rebounds. Roe was 2 of 2 with 5 rebounds. Basically Roe played Leuer nearly to a draw, which is what we needed.

I thought we’d need our back court to significantly outperform theirs to win, but it turned out that as well as Nankivil played, Green was better and that was the difference. The backcourt scoring was basically a break-even for both teams but Green outscored Nankivil by 9 points. We pounded them on the boards, and played a more agressive style of offense – for the most part they were the ones settling for jump shots, where we were driving into the lane and drawing fouls or finishing.

Big picture – this team has the potential to be elite defensively. On offense, I think we could see major improvement if we have the patience to run our stuff. Bad things happen when we try to go one-on-one completely unscripted or just stand around chucking it up there. When we move the ball and find the open guy, the shots seem to go down at a much higher rate. We started out doing the chuck it up there thing in the first half, but were running our stuff toward the basket in the second, and we were a much better offensive team in the second half.

by TheCrestedHelm on Jan 12, 2011 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

Nank-evil

Not sure if you intended to misspell “Nankivil” in the writeup, but either way, I think “NankEVIL” is perfect.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Jan 12, 2011 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

Roe

I think Roe deserves a lot of credit for a great defensive performance. I wish he could get a few more baskets in down low as well but his hustle, a few boards, and defense on Leueur were huge

by Sparta on Jan 12, 2011 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

yes

they looked for him early and i liekd that. he had a few power slams to start the game.

by tbone521 on Jan 12, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

2005 Game @ Madison

MSU led by 8 with 2:49 to play, but Wisconsin closed the game with an 11-0 run to win in regulation. I think last night at least got us even for that game. There are still a few more to go before we’re all square, though.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Jan 12, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

To really get even

we have to start winning at the Kohl center.

by TheCrestedHelm on Jan 12, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Let It Begin With Defense

I believe we are seeing players, particularly Appling and Roe, who are committed to being defensive stoppers. If we can maximize our defensive intensity on a consistent basis, this team becomes more dangerous. This is a team that needs to reel off some 7-0, 13-4 runs in a game, and if they can make a statement on the defensive end, I see more of those runs coming.

by donaldo on Jan 12, 2011 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

Why We are Fans

To be happy because our team won!
Last night seemed like the first time I felt that way because that’s all that mattered. The raised and seemingly unrealistic expectations that came with this season kind of took the fun out of winning because winning wasn’t enough. We wanted a certain kind of win. When that didn’t happen, it brought the worst out in all of us. Players and coaches included.

Judging by the audible jubilation in that locker room last night, the players finally had a chance to enjoy themselves and I enjoyed it too. However it happened, it happened.
Season turning win? I don’t know. I just saw my team win a game they had a chance to win in thrilling fashion. I think that has to be good enough for me. Who knows what they’ll do next.

The only constructive commentary from this “keyboard coach” is:
Good job guys!
Good luck in the next game!
Go Green!

Everybody Loves Draymond

by spartyball on Jan 12, 2011 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

Well said

And for as much heat as these guys have taken, that’s their 3rd win over a team ranked in the Top 20 at the time they played them (Washington was #13 and Minnesota was #14).

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Jan 12, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

P.S.

My comments weren’t a bouquet for Coach Izzo, I just read his comments complaining about the complainers. Frankly I’m tired of being a complainer but Coach Izzo needs to coach his team and not worry about what fans think. He has a tendency to say everything that’s in his heart. That’s not always good and he really needs to lay off the fans since he gets way more love than criticism.

It’s hard not to complain when the team plays like it has. When the team is not reaching expectations that he and the players threw out there. Put the anointing oil away and let the season play out and then determine how great a team or player really is.

I also noticed something about chemistry not being so great. Interesting…

Everybody Loves Draymond

by spartyball on Jan 12, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

na.cl

i think the chemistry looks fine.

ive noticed in the start of season roe really giving it to sherman but ive seen sherman screwing around with him on bench as well. thats probably a good thing.

by tbone521 on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Coach Izzo said the chemistry hasn't been great

That wasn’t my observation.
I thought certain actions in the off season was supposed to solve that problem.

Everybody Loves Draymond

by spartyball on Jan 12, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

This was about as 'must-win' as any game can get, and MSU pulled it off

It wasn’t pretty, but beating Wisconsin is never pretty. And the comeback at the end was glorious.

There were some huge positives that provided glimpses as to why this team CAN (big emphasis on CAN, don’t take it as a WILL) still be a Final 4 team this year:

1. Lucious’ huge cojones in hitting the three to tie. Reminiscent of the Maryland game. He’s a frustrating player, but he has a knack for hitting big shots in big games.

2. Roe’s defensive performance on Leuer. He was his shadow the entire night, and Leuer was a complete non-factor as a result. I think it’s safe to say that Roe will never meet the expectations piled on him out of high school from an offensive standpoint, but if he plays defense like this consistently he will end up being just as valuable.

3. Draymond. This has been hashed out by previous comments to great effect, so I will stop there. If you watched the game, you know what I’m talking about.

4. MSU’s ball-handling and decision making at the end of the game. I’ll be honest, part of me was expecting a complete breakdown in the form of turnovers and poor decision making with the ball. But the execution from about 2:30 left in the second through overtime was great, with the exception of a couple of ill-advised forced drives by Lucas. Encouraging sign.

All in all, not pretty. But a great win.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Jan 12, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

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