Where do you fall on the "rooting for Michigan" question?
This weekend, two football games will kickoff at Noon eastern time that will have an impact on whether or not Michigan State plays in the inaugural Big Ten Championship Game in Indianapolis. The first, obviously, is MSU’s game against Indiana. A win gives the Spartans a 6-1 conference record and an assurance of no worse than a tie for first place in the Legends Division with only a trip to Evanston remaining. Down the road, the other game features the teams currently tied for second in the Legends Division, Nebraska and Michigan. Those teams both sit at 4-2 in the conference. If Michigan loses, they will be eliminated from contention for the championship game. If Nebraska loses, MSU would need to lose twice and Michigan would have to lose to OSU (SpartanDan puts this possibility at less than 1/10th of a percent).
All of this means that if MSU and Michigan both win on Saturday, MSU will be representing the Legends Division in the Championship Game regardless of what happens the last week of the season (the Spartans’ 4th straight win over the Wolverines would serve as the tiebreaker should both teams finish 6-2).
Of course, this has inevitably led to an age-old Spartan fan conundrum that rears its head every so often: do the current circumstances make it acceptable or appropriate to root for a Michigan victory? Last year, for example, a Michigan win over OSU would have given MSU a berth in the Rose Bowl (or if Tressel had admitted to cheating, or if the tiebreakers weren’t stupid…but I digress). MSU beat writer Joe Rexrode weighs in with an emphatic "Yes!" Countered by the terse-but-not-at-all-unexpected "Nope, sorry, I can’t" from Coach Dantonio.
Technically, MSU does not NEED help from anyone to make it to the Championship Game. MSU need only win its last two games. On the other hand, clinching the division with a week to play, with one game remaining in a place that required a dramatic comeback a year ago, is inarguably a great result for MSU. Predictably, this leads to an existential crisis that causes MSU fans to question the very meaning of being a fan. And of the universe. From what I can tell, there are 5 basic schools of thought among the fanbase:
1. The Hardliner: “F**k those guys, I’d rather eat a jagged metal Krusty-O than root for them under any circumstances ever, even when it would directly benefit MSU.”
2. The Last Resorter: “F**k those guys, we can win it ourselves without their help and I will not root for them unless them winning is absolutely necessary to achieve what I want for MSU.”
3. The Pragmatist: “You know what, I can set aside the searing hatred for a day and actually root for them because the end result will directly benefit my Spartans.”
4. The Avoider: “I am so torn between my hatred for them and my desire for clinching the division that I will pretend the Michigan-Nebraska game isn’t happening, and thus avoid the inner conflict and guilt that will accompany watching it.”
5. The Bargainer: “I’m not rooting FOR Michigan, I’m rooting AGAINST Nebraska, and I don’t care if that logic makes no sense, that’s my rationale and I’m sticking with it, because I’d love it if we clinched the division on Saturday.”
My original intent in writing this was to figure out a concrete answer to tell you which of these mindsets is the right one. The more I thought about it, though, the more I realized that each position is defensible in its own right (and by the way, this analysis applies to any sports team faced with a similar situation). I also thought about coming to the conclusion that the whole concept is a logical fallacy, since Michigan will win or lose whether we "root" for them or not, so why even bother making a choice? But we're in the world of sports fandom, and to admit that our rooting interests have no effect on a game would mean that we're all living a lie, and life is meaningless, and we might as well stop watching sports and go hike mountains or something. This is not acceptable. For instance, I know for a fact that wearing a certain shirt during MSU games and drinking a specific kind of beer at tailgate helps them win.
So instead of making any conclusions, I will put the question to my fellow Spartans. Where do you fall in the categories listed above? Or are there other categories that I missed? Personally, I am conditioned as a Hardliner, but on Saturday, I will probably fall into the Avoider* camp. Since I'm going to be at the MSU game, I will not be able see what's happening in Ann Arbor, therefore I can distance myself from having any emotional investment in that game. I will get updates as the game goes on, but my only focus will be on MSU and keeping that beautiful endearingly ugly Old Brass Spittoon. And I know that if we win, it would be pretty awesome to hear an announcement at the Stadium that we will be playing in Indy.
*I reserve the right to change this position numerous times between now and 3:00 Saturday.
This is a FanPost, written by a member of the TOC community. It does not represent the official positions of The Only Colors, Inc.--largely because we have no official positions.
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One for the Hard-Liners, Here
Always root for the best, which is 2 MSU wins, 2 um losses and us having a notable advantage which aids us in landing 4 and 5 star recruits.
I'm a Last Resorter
Will only cheer for them if it directly benefits MSU, and MSU needs that benefit. Sure, it directly benefits MSU for M to win this weekend, but MSU also controls it’s own destiny, so I would rather not see M win.
Besides always wanting to best our rivals, I believe that the further ahead MSU can keep finishing ahead of M (and more importantly, our guys getting to higher profiles bowls than them), directly benefits MSU in local recruiting in-state & in the midwest.
So I’m not hating just to hate – there is a rationale behind it.
Bah!
I don’t want to owe those crumb bums anything, because they’ll be sure to say we couldn’t even win a division title without Big Brother’s help.
And like Dersh says, one more win in the bank for them boosts their stock in the recruiting/media wars. So I hope they lose by 50.
by Spartisan on Nov 18, 2011 1:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hope Nebraska beats Michigan, and then loses to Iowa next wknd.
I don’t want either of these teams getting a BCS at-large bid.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Or, a Michigan win this week followed by a loss to OSU next week would work also.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
In between
Last Resorter and Pragmatist.
If Michigan loses, woo Michigan lost!
If Michigan wins, woo Legends Title!
Last Resort for me.
I’m not going to be horribly upset if they win (so maybe I’m part Pragmatist as well), but I will not actively root for them unless absolutely necessary.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Always have been a Pragmatist
I’ve rooted for UM before, and I’ll do it again (but it sure is sweet when they lose). I wanted to see them in the NCAA tourney last year for instance, because continuing to get high team counts in the NCAA helps the profile of the B1G and ultimately helps us.
I’m Rooting for them tomorrow. Besides, who the hell are these UNL kids to think they can come into the B1G and compete right away? ;)
I guess I'm an avoider
Although my logic is more along the lines of “waiting to see how the Nebraska-Michigan game result changes the situation at the top of the M&N+I division.” Assuming MSU wins, of course.
I have no problem rooting for them
Both on a pragmatic level, and on a principle level.
All the UM grads I know are great people. But even notwithstanding that, I don’t deal in plebiean ressentiment. I don’t think any of us should, as I’ve noted before.
Actually sad that they won.
Here’s my horrible prediction… We lose to NW (I said that before the season began). They beat up on tOSU. We get the snot pounded out of us by Wiscy in B1G game.
That give Wiscy the Rose bowl again. Nebraska or PSU go to the Citrus. We get stuck in the Outback bowl. Mich gets the glory of going 10-2 and selected as an at large and gets the joy of killing whichever lousy team manages not to loose the Big Least in the Orange bowl. How does that help us?
If there we an alternate universe where tOSU fielded a team of convicted violent felons against a team of devout Nuns from Mich, I may stop rooting for career ending injuries. Maybe.
Maybe not.
You...
….sir, or madam, are making entirely too much sense.
Go Fickells!
by witless chum on Nov 21, 2011 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
I might transfer my usual ND-UM wishes
to the tOSU-UM game. Terrorist attack? Cataclysmic Earthquake? All players get career ending injuries? Which one should I pick???

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