Se'Von Pittman
by asmith19 on Dec 12, 2011 9:33 PM CST
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PrintSo Se'von backed out of his commitment to us today and will be attending OSU (unless... ya know... He changes his mind again). I tend to avoid having these type of discussions because they usually devolve into name calling of 17 year old kids on the internet, but I was wondering what people thought of this. I think its probably not as huge a blow as people would like us to believe. Coach D has a proven track record when it comes to recruiting and most of those recruits were unheralded (WIlliam Gholston [Sic? always spell it wrong] notwithstanding).
In any event, that is one more slot for a kid who wants to be Green and we surely will look forward to running Power out of the I-Formation right at him for years to come.
Your obligatory link: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/12/sevon-pittman-is-a-buckeye
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Arrrrggghh
Dammit I was worried this would happen, I don’t blame the kid as much as tOSU for continuing to pursue him after he had made a commitment. Frankly I think it’s pretty bogus for schools to put the full court press on once a kid has made a decision. He committed the summer going into his senior year, it’s not like this kid made a verbal as a sophomore or something.
Ohh they also stole a 4* d-line commit from Penn State, I think it’s a different circumstance considering the coaching change and everything else happening there, but still, poaching recruits in his first week on the job shouldn’t exactly endear Urbam to the rest of the conference.
Whats the over/under on how many B1G schools will have commits stolen by the Meyer gang by February?
I was Dantonio...
….I’d point out that Urban Meyer is likely to retire two or three times before Pittman finishes his college career.
Honestly, we’re in the position now where we don’t have to throw a fanbase fit because we miss on a highly-touted prospect. If we’d gotten Ronald Johnson (Muskegon WR/DB who went to USC) in 2007, that would have made a huge difference to the program. Pittman’s a great prospect, but we’ve got proven college at his position and on the team in general. We just redshirted a five star recruit at a position where we had to replace two four-year starters. We’ve lost four 4-star recruits over the last year to transfers and injury retirements (OT David Barrent, QB Joe Boisture, WRs Donald Spencer and Fred Smith) and the Spartans still got it done pretty well.
And anyone with eyes can see the difference in talent level between Dec. 2011 and Dec. 2006.
Per the Spartan Tailgate boards, Pittman’s girlfriend is attending OSU to play basketball, so that could have had an influence as much as whatever Meyer was selling. So let’s blame Suzy Merchant for not landing her. /end sarcasm font
It's always a smart move to follow your high school girlfriend to college...
…because we all know HS relationships last forever.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
It's a convenient excuse
And sounds better than, “Coach Meyer has been in my ear since I comitted about staying home & going to tOSU.”*
DISCLAIMER – I just totally made up that Meyer has been speaking with Pittman for months.*
nice article per Joe Rexrode (LSJ.com)
http://noise.typepad.com/hey_joe/2011/12/reports-pittman-flips-from-msu-to-osu.html
So let’s recap the recent damage Ohio State has done to MSU. Ineligible players helped the Buckeyes make it a three-way Big Ten title last season, allowing Wisconsin to go to Pasadena over MSU even though the Spartans beat the Badgers 34-24. OSU took the at-large bid over MSU. (Then Jim Delany and the Sugar Bowl folks somehow managed to keep those players on the field for the bowl game, which I still don’t fully understand). Now the Buckeyes pilfer the Spartans’ top recruit — though you could argue that, without the Tressel scandal, Pittman may have gone OSU in the first place.
Fuck OSU in the ear with a rusty chainsaw.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Unfortunately a lot has gone against us since he committed
First his girl friend recieved a scholarship to play bball at OSU, then Gholston and Rush blew up this year as underclassmen DE’s, and of course the hiring of Meyer.
agreed he was going to sit his arse on the bench for a while anyway
unless he or Rush could move to LB, which doesn’t seem likely given each of their weights.
Either way, just makes it so much easier to hope for the death sentence for tOSU.
I'm looking forward to Fou & France knocking the snot out of Pittman the next few seasons.
And yeah, not only do I not see Rush giving up his starting spot at end, but Gholston has his locked down for as long as he stays on campus, and Denzel Drone is going to be a monster once he cracks the starting rotation.
Sure, this hurts, but thankfully DE is one of the deepest positions on the squad right now.
It's more than the two deep though.
It’s also a “perception” issue.
Whether or not Pittman turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread or a bust…signing him would have helped the perception that we can sign elite recruits away from other B1G schools on a regular basis.
It also would have kept an elite recruit away from OSU.
Pittman would...
…have been a milestone for MSU, getting a top recruit from Ohio whom OSU really wanted. That’s nice for perception, but I’d think we can do pretty well splitting Michigan with our friends from Ann Arbor and grabbing guys from around the Midwest. We’ve also been opening up a bit of pipeline to Georgia.
It would be really good to beat Georgia to give Dantonio something to point to with recruits. I don’t know how much that’ll matter, but it can’t hurt.
by witless chum on Dec 13, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
On the other hand
shifts in the perception of a program take a long time and rely on a lot of factors. Losing Pittman is a real loss in the way you suggest, but MSU is still on course. It isn’t surprising that UM and OSU are experiencing recruiting booms with their new coaches, and it isn’t surprising that MSU’s position is made a bit more difficult because of this. But the real key to changing the national perception of the MSU program is winning: wins against name opponents, head-to-head wins against UM, B1G titles, bowl wins.
Meyer will bring certain aspects of SEC football which are unpalatable to the B1G.
This being one of them. As they say in the SEC, the recruiting doesn’t start until you commit. So, where once a gentleman’s agreement existed between coaches not to go after committed recruits, it will be replaced by “it ain’t over until he signs his letter of intent”.
We (possibly MSU – B1G for certain) will be the worse for this as our coaches are now beholden to the whims of 16-18 year old boys. It also brings up the specter of the greater chance of illegal/immoral/unethical enticements to bring such players to campus. It already exists, we know this, but who knows what door we open when we no longer follow the gentleman’s agreement.
We can be thankful that oversigning as it exists in the SEC is not allowed in the B1G.
Oversigning
Man I hate that practice, it seems incredibly unethical. I found this article about cases of Meyer oversigning, that includes a suggestion from Brian Cook (yes, I assume it’s THAT Brian Cook) that each the source of each scholly (as in, graduating/transferring/NFL early entry) be proven BEFORE the prospect can sign his LOI.
It will be interesting to see how Meyer deals with a conference that has clearly and repeatedly stated that it will not tolerate oversigning.
Dual coaching
I thought there’d be more comments regarding how Meyer’s out there recruiting while Fickell’s preparing for their bowl game, just like Dantonio’s busy doing right now as well.
Tonight's going to be a good night.
A wise man...
…thinks twice when he finds himself agreeing with Michigan’s AD?
by witless chum on Dec 13, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I hear this every day
at work from the UM people. They can not get over their hate for him already being a slimeball. At least they are siding with us on Meyer’s tactics of stealing those who have already signed.
by G&W - The Only Way on Dec 14, 2011 6:42 AM CST up reply actions
Why we hate scUM
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/urban-flippin-recruits-sevon-pittman
Check out this stupid arrogance in the vein of “Big 2, Little 10” … last I checked, neither one won the Big 10 this year or last.
The reader comments
are what I’m referring to.
Stop using "scUM"
Aspire to more clever expressions of contempt.
by lesmanalim on Dec 13, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think that
the scUM moniker is nearly as prevalent on TOC, or even OTE, as it is on places like the Freep/DetNews/LSJ sites, and Rexrode’s blog (and on Hey Joe, there is a lot of AAJC, too, which is just dumb – Michigan is anything but a junior college).
Personally, I’m not that big a fan of “Little Sister,” either, its a cheap rip-off of Mike Hart’s comment. Like when I hear, “Save-a-Lot Spartan” or “Sam’s Club Spartan,” I often will say, “congrats on the originality. Come back when you think of something clever on your own.”
Oh, definitely it's worse there.
But asking people to stop using “scUM” on MLive/Freep/etc. would be like asking /b/ to stop being offensive.
Personally, I'm a fan of Coach D's new nickname for them
“The University of … Whatever.”
"The open threads on game days are like fevered dreams: Everyone is hammered and then shit gets burned." - Truffle Shuffle
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Dec 16, 2011 6:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
big 2?
that’s a funny one. How many of the kids that UM are recruiting remember the last time UM beat MSU. They would have been like 12.
Reality....
…takes longer than four years to penetrate for some. Some knucklehead commenter at Mgoblog was sure that Hoke and Meyer were going to be a new Woody/Bo rivalry. And seemed to be serious. Mgoblog is a cut above the average for having a pretty intelligent readership, too.
Who knows what kind of nonsense they post at the more low-rent U of M blogs I never read.
by witless chum on Dec 14, 2011 5:40 AM CST up reply actions
They live in a completely different world than everyone else
Pretty sure they think Hoke is Bo Schem. Both fan bases think its still 1984. Back when App St and RR hadn’t happened and Ohio St wasn’t SEC level dirty.
I read some of their comments and assume they are joking, they usually aren’t. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. According to them every recruit in the country wants to go to Michigan but they are either not good enough or not smart enough. As though intellegence matters at all for athletes. Case and point:
http://blog.mlive.com/wolverines/2007/08/two_michigan_football_players.html
The only thing that matters is,
that Coach D & the Spartans continue to beat M on the field.
As long as he can keep winning, our program will continue to escalate, while M’s will struggle to regain past glory (though you wouldn’t know that speaking with most of their fans).
Next season, the M game will be our 8th game, and M’s 7th, of the season.
We are breaking in a new QB & WRs, but return just about everybody else. M, meanwhile, will be replacing an All-American caliber center, not to mention its entire starting defensive line – not to mention that MSU has OWNED Denard unlike any other team so far. So I think while our losses are significant, so are Michigan’s.
The bottom line is, HS players do know that they’ve never seen M beat MSU since they’ve been in HS, and the longer Coach D can keep winning, the bigger an impact it will be.
It reminds me of a quote I saw from a high level hoops recruit (possibly even Gary Harris), that went something like, “As long as I’ve been alive, MSU and Tom Izzo have been winning and going to Final Fours, and that’s something I want to be part of.” If Coach D keeps winning, eventually the prospects will start saying the same thing about our football program.
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