Michigan State Spartans to Face Georgia Bulldogs in Outback Bowl
by Pete Rossman on Dec 4, 2011 6:32 PM CST
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PrintWhile many of us may not be over the B1G Championship loss last night, life is surprisingly still proceeding. Just like as many predicted, Michigan State will face Georgia in the Outback Bowl at 1 PM, January 2nd on ABC. In case you're wondering, Mike Tirico and Jon Gruden will be your commentators, so be prepared for Kirk Cousins to be THAT GUY for three and a half hours.
A brief review of Georgia on the year -- they started the season ignominiously, losing to Boise State in Atlanta 35-21 and to South Carolina in Athens 45-42. The Bulldogs then won ten straight, including wins of less than a touchdown at Vanderbilt and Florida, as well as a nine point against Kentucky at home. Their best win is most likely a 45-7 thrashing against Auburn at home. Their second best win is probably against Vanderbilt; the preceding was not a joke.
Any way, voice your thoughts here. It's a dumb system, so the least the NCAA could do is allow alcohol sales at the games. Just sayin'.
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allright lets go and whoop them.
i mean literally.
I can't deal with this
Still haven’t gotten over yesterday. The drive back from Indy today was rough.
PR
Can we get a new picture and comment in the above post? We all know what happened, but is there a need to remind people and reopen those old wounds?
Thanks for all your hard work.
Didn't change the picture
But I edited the caption. It’s not every day I have a picture of MSU and the bowl team they’re facing.
Thanks again, I appreciate it
Excuse me for being a little sensitive after yesterdays game. The drive back from Indy gave me four hours to stew over it and get me heated again. I just want better for the team, since clearly they deserve it.
No worries
I missed the caption the first time through, and I edited it because the old wounds weren’t relevant. And I had that same four hour drive you did — they deserve better. However, this year’s version of Georgia looks like a very winnable bowl game.
All I can say is...
goooooooooooo basketball… Nice when a sport actually has a meaningful post-season that isn’t determined by voters and ‘computer’ formulas that are basically numbers pulled out of a hat.
by MooTheKow on Dec 4, 2011 6:57 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
no, it's determined by how hot you are at the end of the season
And while it may not be determined by “voters”, it is determined who gets a chance and how difficult their chance is by a small group of “voters”.
It gets us a “champion”, but that doesn’t mean it gets us the best team in the country.
Right, but
No sport can play enough games to truly determine the best team, eliminating all variance.
A tournament creates a known set of parameters that a team must accomplish in order to be acknowledge “champ”: win a tournament that includes every team with a reasonable shot a defeating all others in the field. Some say the Div I season is a single elimination tourney, but of course that is hogwash. Undefeated teams don’t always play for the NC and one loss teams are compared through all kinds of biased filters in order to decides who plays.
right
I’m just trying to show people that even their favored system isn’t perfect, because no system is perfect.
Hoops definitely uses the "body of work" to determine tourney at large bids
RPI is the #1 tool used by selection committee, and RPI of course looks at the entire season, esp who you beat & who beats you.
It’s not perfect, but it’s better than the system in fb, where if you’re gonna lose, lose early.
Right, but that's probably due to season length as much as anything
What I find issue with in football is when everyone goes “Team X played 5 ranked teams” when two of them were ranked at the end of the year.
I hear ya
IMO, football season is too short, and combined with the number of D-1 teams (~115 or so), it’s impossible to accurately come up with a solution to whom should be in, and whom should be out, of something like the BCS. That’s why I advocate returning to the old bowl system, and having writers crown the national “champ.” At least this way, we aren’t pretending that it’s settled on the field.
Also, if I recall correctly, the BCS emerged as the solution to the problem of the top two teams not meeting each other to decide the champ. So how the F has it become a system that has 5 bowls of a higher class, when it really only should be determining who plays in one game?
Lastly, saw this on the twitter (thanks to LSJ writer Chris Solari for the RT):
Petersen on Nos. 6-7-8-9 being left out of BCS: “Why are we even voting if they’re all left out of games like that?”
It was put up by Brian Murphy, an Idaho Statesman columnist, talking about BSU coach Chris Peterson. And it makes an extremely valid point . . .
It does
I feel like making the BCS just deal with the championship would be fine by me. It tends to pick two teams with legit arguments for the championship every year anyway, regardless of whether or not you agree with them. I just feel like everyone’s going “OMG playoff’s better” without actually thinking through it. The wrong playoff is going to be even worse than what we have now.
Not sure that I agree with this
I’d rather have the “5th” place team upset then the “3rd” by a long shot. There are always going to be problems (See the teams that get left out of the top 68), but one is significantly more legitimate then the other.
that's not even the only thing I mean
Do you take conference champions? They beat enough teams on their schedule to win it, why shouldn’t they have a chance even if they’re ranked 9th or 15th or 23rd? Do you get rid of the two teams per conference rule?
I'd prefer only conference champs.
If you don’t win your conference you can’t win the national championship. But to be honest I don’t care. Even just taking the top 4 from the current BCS rankings. Hell, just take the top 3 and give #1 a bye. It would all be better then the current system.
There's no system I can think of that's worse than this
unless it’s deliberately perverse. At least the old way, nobody pretended the championship was anything but mythical. (Except Bama fans, but they’re a lost cause anyway.)
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Pet peeve of mine too.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
There is no system that will give us the best team in the country in a reasonable number of games.
If we’re going to name a champion, I’d rather include an undeserving team or two in the playoff than leave out one that does deserve a shot.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
SI reports that the Sugar Bowl is Michigan vs. Virginia Tech
Which is just about the softest matchup you could serve on a maize-and-blue platter to Michigan.
Honestly, it may be best for the B1G for UM to win
But if they back-door their way into the Sugar, and then win, I will never hear the end of it from my UM mouth-breather coworkers.
What's a Hokie, exactly?
It’s bad enough we have to see the nuclear annoyance of seeing that team leapfrog us because they weren’t good enough to get to the Big Ten title game even with their weak schedule. I don’t want to see them win. Go Hokies, whatever you are. A hundred isn’t enough.
by witless chum on Dec 4, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
it's a wild turkey.
its ferocity in real life is equal to the number of wolverines in the wild in michigan.
That's not bad...
…as mascots go. Seems useful to have an edible mascot. For instance, it’s strongly frowned upon by most societies to eat Greek hoplites.
Screw conference pride
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
by Seer on Dec 4, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Screw it when its undeserved
Honestly this system destroys “conference pride” since lesser teams somehow leapfrog teams with significantly harder schedules who also happened to beat them soundly.
Honestly if you want Michigan to lose then I think it's a great matchup.
VT can contain Denard and run all over Michigan’s defense.
Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand - Kurt Vonnegut
There's a Buddhist mantra
good for times like this:
“You are entitled to the work, not to the reward.”
I think the MSU football team deserves better, but the rewards are not handed out based upon merit (more like a combination of merit, bias, money, and luck). But I also expect this team to be resilient, to embrace the new work that they are entitled to, and to play at a high level one more time on Jan. 2.
As John Paul Jones said:
“I cannot ensure success, I can only endeavor to deserve it”
No MSU team has deserved the rose bowl more than that team we saw on the field last night. Frankly I have never seen a better matched pair of teams than MSU and Wiscy this year. Unfortunately fate is a cruel mistress, and spartans seem forever destined to to die on the field of battle. We can console ourselves that Rocket will be replayed far longer than “the thigh caress heard ’round the world”.
by RoninX on Dec 4, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Then he fired some cannons at Deep Purple.
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Some, but not all...
I’m bitter, but realistic. I know plenty of good folks who went there, and if they weren’t humble before 2008 they sure are now.
Yeah, it's funny
Now I’ve got my younger brother (M grad) seeking my validation of Michigan’s season. This after years of treating us with disdain. If that doesn’t demonstrate humility I don’t know what does.
you know the only way Um can beat us is the BCS bowl vs Outback bowl
MGoblog is obsessed with comments on kirk cousins even after the BCS Sugar Bowl was announced.
Hey time to prove we can win a bowl game. Let us go out there and finish the season on a high note.
UGA
I go to UGA now after graduating from MSU in 2010. Went to most of the Dawg’s games this year, home and away (Ole Miss has some outstanding tailgating). I haven’t been all that impressed. They have a solid D and Boykin at corner and return man is a playmaker, but they have yet to beat anyone who actually matters. Auburn and GA Tech would be their best. I think State wins by double digits, as long as State isn’t too bummed out from the B1G loss.
Congrats to UM on the Sugar Bowl bid, but we all know which team is better. Go green.
We should seize this opportunity to lay some wood to a "name" SEC team
I’m pretty sure this group is going to be hungry, focused, and ready to get their first bowl win and go out the way they deserve: as champions.
And the rematch is official. LSU-Bama.
Kill it with fire. The B_S, that is.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
this is bullshit.
you should have the BCS at-large over mich hands down.
I'd do anything for Da Packers, Gosh I love da Packers.
We don't Qualify
and wouldn’t have been selected over UM in any case, as long as $$$ are prized over competition in college football (eg. forever).
They should have taken Boise.
Fuck Michigan in their stupid fucking faces.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 4, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
None of this is Michigan's fault, by the way.
They didn’t orchestrate this, nor did they pass over Boise. Michigan fans have every reason to cheer their team on to the win.
I’m just steeling myself against the handful of them who are going to exploit the circumstances for the opportunity to be assholes. And I would hope that all of us would be better than that were the tables turned.
All I know is that we are better than Michigan.
And Michigan is in a BCS bowl and we are not.
That is the most frustrating feeling in the world.
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
by Trout Jefferson on Dec 4, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
VT getting in is even more objectionable, to me.
VT hasn’t won a game against a ranked team this year. Just like Ohio State last year.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Yeah
Lest we forget this fact, VT has played one ranked team two times and gotten beaten handily. And the ACC is there to remind us that while the Big 10 seems down this year, it could be worse, while not getting into comical Big East territory.
please go pound the shit out of those SEC fools
I'd do anything for Da Packers, Gosh I love da Packers.
It should be a good game against Georgia
Time to get our first bowl win under Dantonio. There’s no excuses this time. We’re not playing a QB who’s about to be the first one drafted or a loaded Bama squad or with half our team suspended. Georgia will be a tough match up but I think we should win.
I know it’s about money and ratings, but it’s really sad that V. Tech gets to play in a BCS game. They’ve beat no one in the top 25 of the BCS. They were smoked twice by Clemson. We’ve beat two teams who made BCS bowl games.
Stupid BCS
No team should be penalized for playing in a conference championship game and losing, while the real losers, the people who didn’t make it to the conference championship game (Michigan) are rewarded with a BCS at large bid, and moved up above us in the rankings.
Sitting on your butt all week and you move up by virtue of not being good enough to play in the championship game? WTF indeed.
The bottom line is, had we not run into the punter (or had they realized Martin’s toe touched inbounds first, or had they not penalized Worthy for merely accurately guessing the snap count (yes, he moved faster than everyone else, but he didn’t beat the ball, you can’t penalize someone for being good) we would have won the game, with the return Martin put on. One play, and we’d be in the rose bowl, but because of that one play Michigan is suddenly better? What a crock.
If it were just a meaningless game, I wouldn’t care, but the fact is they’ll use this undeserved bowl game for recruiting and everything else, and that is just a lie.
by Chris Beasley on Dec 4, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well they're already predicting Georgia to beat MSU
This is ridiculous
Opening line
will be MSU +7, at least. Sucks, but that’s what will happen.
until we DO something, can you blame them?
We haven’t won a bowl game since 2001. I hate it too, but every time we seem to get any hype, we fall on our face(Iowa last year, for one). We beat Wisconsin earlier this year when nobody gave us a chance, and we played them close when everyone said they were going to beat us down. Let’s keep outdoing the experts’ predictions like we’ve done since the start of Big Ten season this year. We complained last year and got beat down. Let’s actually WIN this year so we have a right to complain
But...
….when MSU overachieves on the season prediction for four of five years, why doesn’t that penetrate the national consensus? It takes a few years for them to notice when a program starts having a consistent run of success. Sportswriters don’t seem to adjust to new realities very quickly.
And these peopel vote in polls. Which reminds us that a certain percentage of our ranking in things like the BCS is derived from what your team did when the current roster was in middle school. The ghosts of John L. Smith and Lloyd Carr have a lot to do with who’s in the Outback and who’s in the Sugar.
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the coaches poll
MSU had a truly inspiring game on Saturday, yet the coaches of other teams put us in the doghouse. This is why the coaches poll shouldn’t be included – they don’t have time to even watch other teams play!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-final-coaches-ballots/51647436/1
Three coaches put MSU at #21. Really?
Yeah, thats just insane
Even leaving aside the conflict of interest question it is absurd that the coaches poll is such a huge factor.
Exactly right
This is why every game is “the game that will prove that the Spartans belong.” Eventually, we’ll lose one of them, because nobody wins every game, and then they’ll say, “Same old Spartans.” To wit, ask anyone who rags on our team what we would have to accomplish so that we wouldn’t be looked down on in this way in the future. They won’t be able to tell you, because they don’t actually ever plan on giving us any respect. They’re just waiting for the next loss, so they can say we’re right back where we started.
by charles_d on Dec 5, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
As is the BCS, for that matter.
by The Birchman on Dec 5, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
that's a good point
I guess it just seems to me that while I know we’re a solid team, we always seem to be one step behind where I know we can be and we have to take that step to get noticed, as sad as that may be.
Can someone tell me if I am imagining a BCS rule?
I thought that you had to be ranked at a certain number to get into a BCS bowl, regardless of whether or not you win your conference. Otherwise, your bid can be given away to an at-large. This is not really a we got cheated post, I would just like some clarification. I thought it was talked about frequently at the end of last year with the Big East champ being ranked so poorly.
by G&W - The Only Way on Dec 4, 2011 8:13 PM CST reply actions
But West Virginia still got in ranked 23rd. Is there a rule about getting in as long as you win your conference? I thought it was 16th or 18th in this case of winning a conference but not being ranked high enough for acceptance to a BCS bowl.
by G&W - The Only Way on Dec 4, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Conference tie-in
Its only a matter of time before a team that went 6-6 in the regular season gets in.
by MSUDersh on Dec 4, 2011 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
On further review
I was incorrect – Clemson got the ACC auto-bid, VaTech finished 11-2, mostly by virtue of playing nobody.
wait never mind I'm confused
long weekend, thought people were wondering how the matchup of people who beat nobody was set up – but the question was how did WV get in.
The Big East is such a joke
They are the biggest fans of the BCS, keep getting mega-bukcs and a national stage for fielding barley .500 teams.
So they are
I forgot they pulled out that game against USF, and was thinking Louisville was going.
Nope.
Six auto-bids are automatic, even if you’re ranked #110. At-large bids have to be #14 or higher.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Having just seen "The Waterboy" again ...
Visualize Georgia in Wolverine helmets, and beat the fuck out of them.
Then do the same to Michigan next year, and bask in the tearful lamentations of their women. Which is to say, most Wolverine fans.
I'm excited for Crap Bowl
An 11 win season would make up for the major shaft. I just wonder how the team (which I feel really bad for) will be able to get up for Georgia. If Dantonio has them ready, I’ll be super impressed.
Next year, MSU will be undefeated going into Ann Arbor, which will be the de facto Big 10 championship. If we beat BSU in the first game, we have a legit shot at going undefeated into Big 10 championship game.
This team has hung a big ten banner but hasn't won a bowl
I’m pretty sure they’ll be be angry and hungry, besides, Georgia is no Alabama (or even Georgia circa 2008).
you are incredibly high on a future team that's losing it's starting QB, top 3 WRs, top 2 TEs, at least 1 DT(probably 2)
just to name a few
Are you kidding?
If we weren’t allowed to predict the future based on now, we’d have to shut down the entire internet.
by CPT Hoolie on Dec 5, 2011 3:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And returns at least 8 starters on defense,
and 4 starters on the O-line, and has 4-star and 5-star talent sliding into place.
What reason is there NOT to be optimistic?
Plus a few...
…other guys on the oline who started games this year. With how big continuity and experience is for an oline, I think it’s fair to expect improvement there. Plus, fewer position battles, so the starters will have more reps. And that to three excellent backs returning, I think we can do a lot as far putting Maxwell in good positions as he gets accustomed to starting.
Breaking in a new QB, you can do a lot worse than a strong running game and a good defense.
We're not really breaking in a new QB
You can’t break in a redshirt junior (in 2012) with gametime experience.
honestly, we probably should be optimistic
I guess I’m just annoyed that people are looking to next year before we get a chance to send our winningest senior class out with our first bowl win in 10 years.
Rooting for you guys
As a Michigan fan I must admit to having some reservations of MSU after the whole Gholston fiasco but you guys really played a quality game yesterday against the Badgers and you solidified your postion as the top two teams in the B1G this year.
Now that we’re in bowl season I hope all of our teams win so that we can bolster our conference as whole!
See you guys next year in Ann Arbor!
thanks.
I’d hoped for a Michigan-Boise matchup, but since it’s Virginia Tech you guys pretty much have no excuses. Go get the W.
Another Michigan fan here...
I would have loved to see a Michigan-Boise match-up. That would have been a fun game to watch, but Boise State got screwed. Best of luck in your bowl game, Sparty.
Hell. From a selfish standpoint...
… I would have LOVED to see Baylor vs. Michigan. A Denard/RG3 matchup would have been really fun to see.
Va. Tech though? Nothing about them is interesting to me. HOW did the ACC get two BCS bids?
by The Birchman on Dec 5, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sooo mad about this...
but in reality… We now want MSU, UofM, Wisc, OSU and any other team, to beat the snot out of other conferences…. The better the B10 is perceived the better for us.
I'd ordinarily stop short of rooting for Michigan
but since they’re up against a thoroughly undeserving VT team, I am left with no choice.
Still won’t root for OSU, though. Cheating scum.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
if I had a gun to my head and if the only option to live was root for UM.
I would say a prayer and tell them to shoot me.
by spartynation on Dec 4, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Screw that.
I want us to win, and them to lose. Period. This is strictly zero-sum, nothing else shuts them up. And predicating our hopes on any desired effect upon the BCS is folly. What’s better for us is winning bowl games and pounding the snot out of teams until it’s no longer a committee “favor” to stick us in tough matchups while lesser teams skate.
I can't do it. I know its good for the B1G and all that, but its just not going to happen.
I do not want to hear UM bragging about being Sugar Bowl victors over the offseason so as much as it pains me… Go Hokies.
I'm not cheering for anyone I hate
OSU can still go to hell in bowl season because of last year. It’s almost always a good thing for MSU if Michigan loses. I respect Wisconsin as being good this year (and last) but they can go to hell too. Go Ducks.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
by Seer on Dec 4, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I respected Wisky until I saw Bielema's final poll....
He had Wisky at #6, and MSU at #17.
Wisky can eat a bag of dicks.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
by Spartan D on Dec 5, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Correction - he ranked us 15. He's still a fat little toad.
Link HERE
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Art Briles, Doc Holiday, and Kevin Sumlin ranked us at 21.
They’re all on my shit list.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Hoke at UM at 12 and MSU at 13.
While Dantonio had the opposite. That seems entirely fair, right?
Why do we throw out the best/worst computer rankings and not do the same for the coaches polls?
Hell. Throw out 60% of them — hardly any of these guys know anything about any other teams outside of their conference.
by The Birchman on Dec 5, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Wish Dantonio had left them off his ballot
His excuse could’ve been he forgot about them since they didn’t play this weekend.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
by Seer on Dec 5, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I have to reiterate how...
…much some employee of the University of Wisconsin needs to go to hell. Why are you ranking Michigan at 9th? For what? They beat Nebraska in Ann Arbor.
And this assinine ranking actually cuts against the Badgers own best interests by making their loss to us worse and win over us less impressive.
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Saban is a jerk.
Apparently he also ranked OSU at #4. Really Nick?
underhanded but hard to blame him when the NC is on the line.
Apparently the Air Force coach put OSU 5th. Wonder what kind of grudge he is carrying.
I'll blame him.
Anyone voting Oklahoma State or Alabama below #3 is either incompetent or malicious. Either should be grounds for removal from the poll. (Alabama at #2, IMO, is wrong but not completely indefensible outside the context of the rematch debate.)
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
I don't disagree with you.
In fact I think its stupid that coaches have a vote in this at all, since many openly admit to either delegating that particular responsibility or attempting to manipulate the system for their own ends. I also agree that OSU was at worst a clear #3. I just find it hard to blame Saban for taking advantage of the situation. That’s like leaving a thief alone with your wallet and saying you can count my cash but don’t take any of it. Hard to be too angry at the thief there.
Surprising rankings from MgoBlog
MSU #12 UM #13. Good to know there are a few rational UM fans out there.
http://mgoblog.com/content/annual-complaint-against-stupid-system
Imaginary hat gesture...
….of respect to Brian Cook for that. He occasionally call us Juggaloes and Juggalettes, but he gives good ranking.
However, why does a professional Michigan fan have a better view of our team than a BCS full of allegedly impartial observers?
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Is there a link
to the anticipated 2 deep roster for next year?
wait until after the bowl game, dude
let this team try to go out on a high
pretty weak that
Michigan lost to us, yet they still get to go to Sugar Bowl. VTech is also pretty undeserving, having gotten wrecked by Clemson twice. Does anybody but Alabama support the BCS system now?
@andywittman
please kick their asses!!!
Since IU didn’t make a bowl game yet again this year, I want all the Big Ten teams to be victorious. GO GREEN!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Dec 4, 2011 10:01 PM CST reply actions
Worthless Bowl System
Wake me up in March for the NCAA tourney…
I'm sorry but I'm not watching any of this crap....
(1) The Big Ten Championship game was a fucking abortion. We had it. Had a chance to win it in the final minutes. We blew. Ugly. Just ugly. Would have rather have lost in a blow out.
(2) Michigan goes to the fucking Sugar? And we go to the cheap steakhouse bowl? Fuck me.
(3) AND we already have Mike Hart and some shit player on Michigan mouthing off?
Sorry it’s just not fun. We’ll lose by 10 against UGA anyway. Just not worth the fucking time.
I'm all aboard the BCS boycott.
The MNC rematch is ridiculous.
VaTech in the Sugar is a fucking travesty.
I will not watch any of the BCS games, and I’m gonna boycott the sponsors as much as I can. I am cancelling my homeowners policy at Allstate (Sugar Bowl sponsor) ASAP.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
For the first time, I can actually say that I won't be watching the NC game.
Or some of the BCS games for that matter.
This can’t be what the BCS had in mine when it started this whole thing… Can it?
by The Birchman on Dec 5, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Why are...
…we losing to Georgia by 10? They aren’t as good as the team that we played in 2009 and we’re better, from what I can tell.
That's a great idea
Let’s all boycott the Outback. No tickets, no travel, no TV.
That’ll teach the BCS not to select us!
Pretty sure no one is talking about skipping MSU's game.
But the BCS does rely on the casual fan to watch more then just their own team and if this is the shit sandwich they’re gonna serve us then this is one fan that is going to skip it.
Its not about *us* being left out of the BCS
Its about the travesty of a NC game, the unabashed placement of $ over competition, and the corrupt voting processes. I will not watch any of the BCS games this year.
It was a response
to Flying J’s melodramatics about “the cheap steakhouse bowl” being “not worth the…time.”
I don’t know how to do that sarc font thing, sorry.
Hokies vs the Fighting Hokes
who would have thunk it?
Hoping we get over that bowl hump this year and come back next year stronger than ever. Our D will be a thing of beauty. Speaking of which, has anyone heard anything about Worthy’s plans for next year?
Hello Spartans
Let me be the first to venture here and offer you a welcome from the BULLDAWG Nation. We, as you, feel that there has been a feeling of disrespect for our programs and think that this bowl game will bring back a sense of nationalism; and we (collectively) are correct. I am looking forward to battling against your great defense and seeing if the conference from the frozen north can equal a team frozen out of the south. Looking forward to a great game. AND AS ALWAYS GO DAWGS
I HATE ORANGE, and DGNBs
I'm excited for the match up at least
No disrespect intended here: I think this is MSU’s best chance at a bowl win in the Dantonio era. In ‘07, MSU got stuck playing Matt Ryan. In ’08, we had to suffer through a game against Stafford. In ’09, we weren’t good and had 1/4 of the team suspended. Last year, no one was beating ’Bama.
For once, we are in a bowl game without a massive disadvantage from the start.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Should be a good one
hopefully neither team packs it in following their conference championship game. Admittedly my exposure to UGA’s team is fairly limited but what I did see impressed me, especially the first half of the SEC championship game. That was some inspired football.
That being said I cannot help but feeling that MSU and UGA are similar in many regards – and not just because we’re both division champions and CCG participants/losers. I thought both teams had some really strong performances and perplexing performances throughout the year and consequently both fan bases are pointing to games (such as MSU’s underwhelming showing against Minnesota or UGA’s weak showing against UK) as proof that the other squad is over ranked.
Personally I am really looking forward to seeing how the Spartan D fairs against a pretty good SEC offense – hopefully we live up to our lofty billing.
Either way, the winner of this game will definitely head into the offseason with some major buzz.
I think this is a great matchup between two teams in very similar situations
We both lost our CCG, pushing us down the bowl pecking order, we both have solid Ds and pretty good offenses, as well as coaches named Mark. I’m sure there are more, but it’s late.
Sure, some stuff about this sucks, but we have the chance to send our winningest senior class ever out with our first bowl win in 10 years. It’s a very winnable matchup that I think will come down to which MSU team and which Georgia team show up. Is it the MSU who played two really close games against Wisconsin, and smacked around Iowa/Indiana/NW or the MSU who got beaten by ND and Nebraska? Is it the Georgia team who held LSU without a first down in the first half or the Georgia team who gave up 35 points in the second half to LSU and 45 points to South Carolina?
I’m excited to be in a good, even bowl matchup.
Although I do have a confession. My senior year of HS, my first choice school that I applied to was Georgia Tech. So THWG and GO GREEN!
A lot of it...
….is probably going to be about whether the players and coaches on either side are able to motivate themselves to get up for this game.
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but the bitterness about missing the Rose Bowl while Michigan gets the Sugar Bowl is not going away.
You should not be rewarded for NOT making your conferences title game. How does that make any sense whatsoever? Same thing with Alabama, OSU played the 10th hardest schedule in the nation, they should have went to the BCS title game, not Alabama. Every harps on their loss but OSU has beaten more quality opponents and Alabama has more crappy opponents. OSU’s fifth best win is better than Alabama’s third. Alabama only has three wins over teams with .500+ records. OSU has 7!
What is wrong with this world?
"trout jefferson is using multiple numbers and no swears. I barely recognize you man." - Kurt Mensching
Good luck, Sparty!
Beat the Dawgs on January 2, and at the same time, knock off an SEC team!
Close out the season with a W – not many teams can achieve 11 Ws in one season, and you’ve got that opportunity now!
See you in East Lansing on November 3rd, 2012! We’ll try to add a little color to your stadium, like we did against ND back in 2000, the “South Bend Invasion”!!
Here’s what’s really funny! You fools weren’t even eligible for a BCS bid. You were ranked 17th, on top of the fact that ur retarded coach called for a punt block. Don’t blame us for ur blunders and inability to travel for bowl games. you wanna talk about getting screwed what about 06? Only difference is we’ve moved on. You had ur chance and once again choked. GO BLUE!!!!!!! LMAO
looks like not enough action going for UM trolls
when was the last time it became a mission for UM fans to troll sparty message boards. This is the only way they can beat us. they can’t do anything on the field.
Exactly
As I always like to say in situations like this, if his team can’t beat ours on the field, trolls like that guy take it upon themselves to beat us off.
And if he’s moved on (as his trolling post says), what is he doing posting on here?
Please ban that troll
Did I miss something?
Did scUM beat us? I think it’s clear who the better team is and if you’re ok with that then you really must’ve succumbed to lessened expectations. Wisconsin would’ve beaten you guys by 50.
U should actually try coming up with ur own words not stilling them from fucknuts. love how u dummies bring up that we didnt play Wisconsin when u only play ohio once every two yrs. you shouldn’t even have a big ten championship. lil homies!!!!!!!!!! I understand how u feel though, I use to have to sit at the kids table to when I was little. only difference is u’ll always be lil brother.
lol what a troll this guy is.
Anyone who can convince them selves that a win over a 6-6 Ohio State team is better than a 11-2 Wisconsin team should not be posting on this board. Admins, if you please.
ha ha ha. Looks like great education received at UM or probably went to Ferris State
and became a walmart wolverine.
Probably rushed to buy Dennard for Heisman T-shirts at the local Walmart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Kz6Rw99Kk
that’s what im talking about baby (walmart wolverine) lol. the fact that you all try to justify ur bowl appearance saying things like “they have to share the money with us and calling it the splenda bow”l. we’ll take the splenda bowl while u cupcakes get taking “OUTBACK” by Georgia!!!!!!!! GO BLUE!!!
not everybody speak at once.
Nice english wally wolverine.
we will meet you again next year and pound you again.
I think most decided to stop feeding this troll
I’m sure he’ll be banned, & his comments & replies deleted, by end of day today
if you pound us like you did this year, not that you need it but I promise to respect you from here on out.
Excellent job representing your school with class.
Seriously. Well done.
"The open threads on game days are like fevered dreams: Everyone is hammered and then shit gets burned." - Truffle Shuffle
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Dec 5, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
By the way, fellow Spartans
This is why you don’t go trolling other blogs: because you make us all look like this douchebag.
I’m sure UMich is proud to count you among them.
Easy response to this post
I don’t see what the big deal is. We’re going to the Outback to play a real team. Meanwhile, UM and VT both backed themselves into what is now dubbed the Splenda Bowl.
Enjoy your bowl, because you know it’s not a true BCS matchup
Or perhaps the Sweet and Low Bowl
Because both teams got sweet deals, and expectations for this game are at an all-time low
Right?
I mean, our matchup is INFINITELY more interesting.
It’s starting to dawn on me — I think I’d RATHER be where we are, much more to gain by winning. Plus, what do we care about a BCS Bowl that isn’t the Rose or National Championship Game? Who REALLY wants to be playing in a game of very little importance between two mediocre teams?
.
Me neither.
by The Birchman on Dec 5, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how Twitter works exactly
Since I’ve never actually used it, but can you start up a hash-tag #AllStateSplendaBowl? I think that would spread pretty quickly
Also, we still get an even cut of UM's money from the Sugar Bowl.
Thanks for the cash Wolvies!
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Thanks Guys
I still have this awful taste in my mouth, but as strange as it sounds, reading all of the negative comments from you like-minded folks has helped me feel better about it. Just knowing I’m not alone.
The BCS system is such a load of crap and it’s really hurting college football. I’ll leave it at that.
For the future though, I’m encouraged by the foundation that Coach D has built. I think a bowl win would help propel us even further, especially in the recruiting department. Next year may be a bit of a step back with losing Cousins and Cunningham (and probably Worthy). I still see us winning around 8 games next year. 2013 will be another great year I think; as long as Maxwell develops as it looks like he will. Aaron Burbridge is going to be a star.
Long live Sparty. Keep your head up. GO GREEN!
The BCS is set up to
keep the perceived “powers” in power (kind of like a political system).
That Bama can back into the title game by staying at home, with less good wins that OkSt, is proof – who is bigger perceived name?
That there are specific rules written just for ND, or that things like what just happened with us & M, are more evidence.
If the roles were flipped (ie, had M beaten us but lost a diff game, say UNL, & played and beaten Wisc in reg season, then lost to them in title game), and both teams were 10-2 after reg season, do you think this would have happened?? I seriously doubt it.
And the fact that computer models, whose algorithims & forumlas are secret, are used to decide this? C’mon, man.
Yep.
It’s horrible. How have they been able to keep this act going for so long? It’s all about money and I feel like they’re keeping people quiet by greasing up the right hands.
To take it further
Do we even know who these people are? Is it like a board of trustees, a committee, etc?? And where does the money go that doesn’t go to the schools???
28-14.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Still trying to wrap my mind around this
I think the GA matchup is a good one for us, but how in the hell did we miss out on the last two Rose Bowls? I feel like the guy who just watched the magician disappear his $20 and is now saying it can never be brought back. Only if the $20 was two years of my life and $5 billion for my university.
Pissed that UM is ahead of us in the rankings, but whatever. 28-14. 4 straight.
If that Wisconsin game had been just a regular game I’d still be trying to get over it today, but considering all that was riding on it, I’m still reeling a bit.
I am also aboard the BCS boycott train. I am not going to watch a single non-MSU bowl this year. Va Tech, UM, the rematch… all of it is such horse shit and the only way it will change is if people tune out and they lose ad money. Time to make a playoff the fiscally responsible decision for the NCAA.
Idiots
The biggest reason that the people running the BCS are idiots is that there would be a ton of money in a playoff system. College football would explode in popularity during a playoff. I guess it’s not about the amount of money that’s made, but rather making sure the money goes into the right hands. It’s the biggest scam in the history of sports.
I'm on board for the boycott
Except for the Rose Bowl. At least that one is a legitimate match up.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
are you a nielsen family?
if nit, not watching won’t do anything
one person not watching will not do anything.
A few thousand might do a little. Tens of thousands would do a lot. On top of that, I could give two shits who wins LSU-Bama. If they are going to give me something that I can at least pretend is legitimate then I do not need to watch.
Get your friends and family onboard.
Bigger movements have come from small ideas.
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I'm sorry, guys
but you do NOT deserve to be saddled with the idiocy of Jon Gruden for three hours.
Please beat Richt.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM CST reply actions
Is there...
…something particular about Mark Richt we should hate? I’m open to the idea, but I like to do these things properly, such as knowing which coaches (allowed his sports info director to) rank us particularly low in the coach’s poll despite going 1-1 in a pair of thrillers.
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Georgia has been the master of Big Ten teams in Orlando and Tampa for a while now.
In point of fact, I don’t think Georgia has EVER lost to a Big Ten opponent in the postseason. It’s disgusting and I hate it, but there it is.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 5, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
As the estimable Prince Akeem...
…taught us, “But it is also tradition that times must and always do change, my friend.”
by witless chum on Dec 5, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Captain Kirk
From Rexrode’s latest column…
"It was the toughest loss I’ve ever had in athletics, so what comes with that is a lot of heartache," he said. "And when you play sports long enough, you’re gonna have those kinds of moments. And that’s what you accept when you line up and you go out there and play a game like that. You accept the possibility of something like that happening.
“And when you play with as much passion as we play with, you’re gonna have the highs and you’re gonna have the lows. And we saw the extreme highs in October with the passion we played with, and we saw the extreme lows yesterday. And like I said, when you play with that kind of passion you’re gonna get both. And we had that."
"This program is built to last," Cousins continued. "It’s built for sustained success. It’s funny that we’re sitting here disappointed that we’re ranked 13th or 12th in the country and disappointed that we’re playing in a New Year’s Day type of bowl game on ABC. Which is a little silly to think three years ago that we’d be saying that."
I feel really bad for him. What a class act. You still have a chance to go out on a high note Kirk. After that, you will be sorely missed.
by grMatt on Dec 5, 2011 9:36 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
great quote.
He changed the culture here. Kirk is to Dantonio what Mateen was to Izzo. I’ve ragged on him a lot for his play at times, but overall he was a good player, a great leader and deserves to go out a MSU all-timer.
Same here.
He’s made a believer out of me. I wish his loads of success in his future. He truly deserves it.
A little more from Kirk in that column
Robinson, Cunningham and Foreman kept things upbeat, but Cousins still looked pretty down. And he admitted as much.
"Still hurting," he said. "I’d be lying to you if I told you I’m moving forward and feeling great and we’ll be OK. It’s tough, like I said last night, to come that close two years in a row, it’s almost a tease."
What's really grinding my gears
Is hearing smack-talk still coming from the Badgers. You’re punter is an amazing actor, take your win and be happy with it. Show some class.
Strangely the CFN guys have flipped and seem to think we really got the shaft
They have been down on us all season, but they seem to really hate Wisc now.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1135191.html
In a sane college football world, punters can’t leave their legs in the air for a few seconds after their natural kicking motion ends. In a sane world, the smallest amount of unmeaningful, embellished, oversold contact should not merit a penalty against a defensive team. If anything, the dive taken by the Wisconsin punter should bring about a 15-yard flag on the punter himself, much as two-minute diving penalties are called in hockey and serious dives are carded in international soccer. College football remains behind the curve on this issue, unfortunately, and Michigan State – the most luckless program in the Big Ten (Northwestern is not necessarily luckless; it’s less formidable…) – was once again left with the short straw.
"It's a trap!"
by AdmiralAkbar on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Got queasy again reading their game breakdowns
I’m a Seahawks, Mariners, and Sonics (RIP) fan in addition to my collegiate allegiance to the Green and White, (see end results of superbowl XL, and the 2001 116 win campaign, and OKC current team among others) Frank Reich’s comeback against the Oilers was the match that lit my love for sports so I also have a softspot for the Bills, needless to say I have some familiarity with sports heartbreak. And I have never felt like this two days after any loss.
Agreed.
I actually had a very similar feeling in 2007 when we lost to scUM. Probably because like this past weekend, I honestly felt like we fielded the better team and played a better game. This one edges that out because of the stakes at hand. If the follow up to this game is anything like the follow up to 2007 (4 years and counting), I think we’re in for some good successes in our near future.
Go Mariners
And yeah. This is the second-worst loss of my lifetime – only the 2001 Mariners’ disastrous finale rivals it.
True enough
Huguenin ranks the Outback #4 behind fiesta, rose, and NC (in that order). Sugar bowl? Ranked # 13 behind the Champs Sports and Armed Forces bowls.
At least someone gets it.
Dantonio Missing News Conference
Anyone else bothered by Dantonio no-showing the news conference about the Outback Bowl? He must have his reasons, yet to be known, but doesn’t it send the wrong message? Especially if he way boycotting because he was upset, that doesn’t exactly fire up the team to go to Orlando and get the win. And the way that Hollis talked about fan base solidarity, I’m nervous that something big may be going on behind the scenes.
It's OK
It obviously bothered him a lot. The game. The BCS BS. If it bothers us this much, imagine what it does to him. I’m sure he just wasn’t ready to put on a fake rah rah face quite yet. Give him a few days and he’ll be back with a new focus. Trust me, he will want to destroy Georgia.
I'm gonna trust that there was a good reason
And don’t even want to speculate on what that reason is, we all know what Coach went through last season, not to mention any other possible issues that could have come up.
His reason for missing will come out, and most likely sooner rather than later.
i dont give a darn if he shows up or not.
We got ripped off. I just want to play some football and shred Georgia into pieces. It will be a nice showcase for the NFL draft for the seniors and Worthy.
Worthy, Gholston, Rush, Allen, Bullough should just go there and hit the crap out of Mark Richt and his Dawgs team.
by spartynation on Dec 5, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
If we want to go to a BCS game . . .
. . . we have to:
1) Win the conference and go to the Rose Bowl.
2) Do what Stanford did, and finish in the top 4, guaranteeing themselves an automatic at-large selection.
Make no mistake — if they can snub us, they will snub us. Imagine if we had beaten either Nebraska or Notre Dame. That would put us in the top 14, so we’d be eligible for a BCS game. We would definitely deserve it, too — but we still wouldn’t get it. Michigan would still get picked over us, or somebody else would.
Our only option is to give them no choice. We had the opportunity to do that, and we didn’t.
I agree with you 100%.
And I think our program is heading in that direction.
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How do I post an image from my desktop?
I’m not technically competent, but I’ve got an infographic here that seems particularly relevant to the tone of this thread.
Hey figured it out!
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Ok so this is the regular season records of the top 6 teams in the Big Ten from 2008-2011 and their win-loss results against each other. The number of BCS bids received is listed at the bottom. I think its pretty self explanatory.
I think this graphic is slightly incorrect
UW and Iowa each have one more head to head over us than is shown here. We’re also 24-9 and UW is 23-10 over the last 4 years because of Saturday night.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
It should be, UW deserves credit for winning
I’d also add an asterisk to OSU’s record though.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
OSU is "officially" 17-8 as they finished last year 0-1.
I also have UW at 21-11 before Saturday. (3-5, 5-3, 7-1, 6-2)
OSU was given the BCS bid with the assumption of a 7-1 big ten season that year.
Wisconsin may be wrong. I didn’t make it and haven’t double checked it. I just thought it was a nice way of illustrating the total lack of respect MSU gets on a national level.
I support what this grahic purports to say.
However it is slightly misleading in that it compares “collective” wins with BCS appearances which are "earned’ for individual seasons.
by MSULaxer27 on Dec 5, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
reputation is everything
quit spinning your green and white wheels, my friend. clearly, MSU has not won when it mattered. in addition, it doesn’t help to have a reputation for being the dirtiest team in the B1G. you think this might affect the voting? wake up, people…
by rosebowlbucky on Dec 6, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, yes.
The Badgers have been so dominant in “big games” recently.
They were quite the force in the Rose Bowl last year, no?
So this is two consecutive years where
1. MSU would have made it to Rose Bowl under the previous Big Ten rules (I know we had a great chance to do it ourselves this year, but still)
2. MSU doesn’t go to the Rose Bowl, and also get passed up by a more brand name program for a second Big Ten BCS spot (OSU, Mich)
3. That opponent still plays an easier opponent. (Arkansas-Alabama, and Virginia Tech-Georgia)
Gotta love the bowl system.
We aren't the only one's who've noticed
Good breakdown of our gripes from a viewpoint outside of us fans:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/12/05/michigan-state-is-bowled-over-again-by-the-bcs/
While I agree with what is said here, I do think we need to move on past the “we got screwed” mentality and on to lets prove them wrong phase. Pissing and moaning isn’t change a thing, it hasn’t worked for any of the numerous teams and fan bases that have been screwed in the past. What will help change this is whats still in our control. If we can show up in force in Orlando, sell out our ticket allotment and beat the hell outta Georgia it will make more of a difference than protest. Show we can win, show we can sell tickets, show we can generate excitement. Only then we will avoid getting screwed
I'm with you on the
time to move on sentiment.
Pete let’s get some bowl game previews going to shift the tide of this discussion!!!
What if everything worked like the BCS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CynZ6_sPZhc&sns=fb
"It's a trap!"
"Worked like the BCS."
There’s an oxymoron for you.
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Normally, I don't like to do this as I understand that this is a forum where people tend to express themselves colloquially;
Stop crying and man up, you lost your chance to go to the rose bowl because of your coach dirty play call
Is it too much to ask for a half rational thought? What does this even mean?
What's he gonna say?
“Michigan lost to you head-to-head by 14 points (and it was only that close because your team gave in to the dark side and committed a series of dumb penalties) and played a weak schedule overall, got ranked higher in a popularity contest which includes the views of a lot of people who aren’t too informed about college football at a national level, then was awarded a BCS bowl bid because the people who run the bowls believe they’ll make more money that way. So, clearly they deserve it.”
If you gave that debating position to Daniel Webster, he’d think about it for a few minutes and really mull it over. Then, he’d throw a smoke bomb into the middle of the Senate floor and jump out the window. What’s a U of M fan who expresses himself through incomplete sentences supposed to do with it?
The trolling today is likely all one person
I’ve seen a number of brand new handles, created yesterday & today, trolling on here, based on that activity, plus the nature of all the postings, I strongly suspect it’s one loser who keeps getting banned & creating new handles.
Like all the others, this “SBN user” was created today, and has only posted on TOC.
Well, at least he gets hard looking at all the replies he’s been getting.
Beat SEC Team
I am pulling for MSU to stomp GA and help regain BIG credibility vs. SEC. Likewise, please be pulling for Bucky in Pasadena. They will need all the help the can against speedy OR. Great inaugural BIG CC game Saturday. See you all at The Camp next year. Congrats on Outback Bowl bid.
Have we had the "was that a penalty" discussion yet?
What’s the actual text of the rule?
I have two immediate issues with the call. (1) there was HARDLY contact and (2) the kicker clearly embellished the contact. I mean Wilson was on the Dan Patrick show this morning laughing about it for goodness sakes. Oh and also it decided the game instead of allowing the players to you know……do that.
Does this not bother folks?
In my view, it was technically a correct call. But, 9 times out of 10, that doesnt' get called in that situation.
Either way, it’s over, it’s done, and we gotta move on.
Beat Georgia!
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Contact is contact.
It’s a weak call, but still one the referee can make. It bothers me, but it’s done.
I concur with Spartan D — Beat Georgia!
It's one the official CAN make
And absolutely does not have to. I said it the moment it happened, and stand by it now – that was a judgment call, and the officials need to be aware of the situation. Knowing that a flag means game over, it had better be an ironclad, no doubt about it play.
let's be consistent
just like the refs in the booth reversing the hail mary play in the last game, right? a call they didn’t have to make, right? unless there was undisputable proof, right? after that evil travesty, i’d be worried that the MSU program will be cursed by bad karma for years. this last game was just the beginning. if i were you, i’d bag football and hope that basketball can avoid bucky’s curse in the years to come…
by rosebowlbucky on Dec 6, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Undisputable?
Are you serious, man?
Also, why bring up basketball when Wisconsin would give anything to be half the program that Michigan State is? Second round exits in the NCAA tournament are not really the staple of good basketball programs…
Because
While Wisconsin legitimately isn’t the program MSU is, they repeatedly have our number on the hardwood.
Tonight's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Dec 8, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Also
He’s a douchemouth.
Tonight's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Here's your indisputable video evidence.
Linked because it’s big, and you really need to see it full size.
The rule is that if any part of the ball crosses the front edge of the goal line, it’s a touchdown. That frame shows that at least half of the ball has crossed the back edge of the goal line. Adjust a couple inches for the camera not being perfectly straight down the goal line, and it’s still clear that a sizable portion of the ball has crossed the front edge of the goal line.
If that’s not enough to overturn the call, they might as well scrap replay entirely, because there’s no such thing as more indisputable evidence than that.
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It doesn't...
…bother me.
That’s a call that’s going to be made almost every time. This is known by the coaches and the players that if you hit the punter in that situation it’s almost certainly going to be called. I’m not the biggest fan of the rule outside of very egregious hits on a punter, but it’s consistently called.
by witless chum on Dec 6, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
justice is served
the reversal of the hail mary in the booth cost us a shot at the national championship. MSU players/coaches/fans cannot shed tears bitter enough to make up for that. how do you reverse a call like that? how do you not let it go to overtime and allow the players to decide it on the field? this is all about karma. what goes around, comes around…
by rosebowlbucky on Dec 6, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
What is with the trolls on this thread?
This is the third or fourth different screen name at least. Spartyblows is that you? Seriously dude. Get a life.
chill out, buddy
i’m a unique individual, one of the many americans enjoying sparty’s demise. my only regret is that i didn’t think of the “spartyblows” screen name first. have a miserable winter steinmeister…
by rosebowlbucky on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Capital letters...
…are slavery. Join the revolt against readable paragraphs. Join me, my friends! the only thing you have to lose are your chains. and your shift keys! cast off the shackle of the caps lock key!
How do you reverse a call like that?
Because you have clear evidence that it’s a touchdown by a foot or so. And the players did decide it on the field – Nichol caught it, and you couldn’t keep him from getting the ball across the goal line.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
If you defend the BCS/Rooted for Michigan to help us out v. Nebraska
You’re an idiot. End of story.
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Agree with the defend the BCS sentiment.
Not with you on the other. I didn’t root for UM, but I understand why some of us did. Might’ve back fired a bit, but hindsight is 20/20.
Rooting for UM to make sure we played in the championship game didn't "backfire"
We played in the championship game!! I am I irritated that the BCS system isn’t about competition? Yes. Was UM anywhere close to a BCS caliber team? No. Is the system broken? Yes. That is all.
Totally Agree.
If you go back to a previous entry (not sure which one, but it was about rooting for UM if it will help MSU—maybe a fanpost??), you’ll see I posted the only thing a Spartan can truly root for is for UM to lose every game and for MSU to win every game. Only way to always get the best. The recruiting implications are most important going forward and my fear is that will not be going in our favor now.
Ugh.
Respect
I am a diehard Michigan fan, and a State of Michigan sports fan, so I root for MSU in all there games (except one). That game the other night was a great game. Nothing to hang your head about. Just a bad break. Now you have a chance to beat a good Georgia team, and then maybe people outside of you alumni, and the state border, will take notice. I think that you’ll find that our team will give you better games in the years to come, as we overcome the distruction that RR put us through. Good Luck, and see ya in AA next year.
reality check
i’ve had it with dantonio. once again, we win when it doesn’t matter, and we lose when it matters. if i were a player, it wouldn’t be lost to me that montee ball is going to NYC tomorrow, and keshawn is home, watching the ceremony. how many years do we have to be left out in the cold before we start to consider whether dantonio is just not the one?
MSU vs UGA
B1G going up against another SEC team,what a joke! UGA will destroy Sparty on JAN 2. Seems like they would give us a B12 this time to make it interesting.What was the score last yea? 49-7? MSU should play Vandy so at least they would have some what of a chance.Then again Vandy would win by 30.The boycott you guys are talking about should be announced by your head coach so maybe they would give us another team worthy to play the DAWGS!
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