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. . .the poor play has nothing to do with Lucious, and unless Tom Izzo has lost his team, the Spartans will surely play better - and probably much better relative to their last three efforts - the rest of the way.

How much is Korie Lucious worth? Ken Pomeroy weighs in on the Spartans. The key clause in that quote, of course, is the one that begins 'unless'.

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Lucious’ absence isn’t the problem, but I do think it is a problem. In terms of team dynamics, having a scoring/passing threat on the floor, even if it’s an inefficient one, is preferable to playing guys who offer almost no threat.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 4, 2011 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think this is about Lucious. Yes, given our offensive struggles it would be nice to have him around. When he’s playing well he can be dynamic. Unfortunately he hadn’t played well in quite a while. Yes it hurts to lose him, but the team has other issues.

As to Kenpom’s analysis that they should play better. I would say that if you look at things from a purely rational statistical analysis that yes lofic would say they should play better. But while I hope to God that happens, I’m not overly optimistic. This team is defying rational analysis.

by trivialstuff16 on Feb 4, 2011 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

I'd suggest using the eyeball test...

But then I remembered what that last performance did to my eyeballs. Seriously, Korie’s a factor here, but he’s not the only one. Trying to figure what’s wrong with this team has often reduced me to an incomprehensible mess. It’s not just any one thing. And I don’t share Pomeroy’s optimism/rationale. This thing can get way, way worse.

by rook34 on Feb 4, 2011 9:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Losing a rotation player in the middle of the season always hurts

And it is even worse when the team was extremely flawed to begin with. Lucious was the backup point guard, the Spartans now have none. Appling never was worked into the PG position and it will take some time until he gets comfortable. The team doesnt have many ball handlers and with Lucious they lost another one. They dont have many guys who can break down a defense, now one of the guys is gone aswell. The point is, even though Lucious didnt play well, he will be missed on this team as he atleast helped in some areas where the team struggled from the beginning of the season.

by Flaming Mo on Feb 4, 2011 9:55 AM CST reply actions  

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by Ducking Delvon on Feb 4, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have to disagree as well

There is a lot to the game that is unmeasurable by statistics, ways that players can make the team better when they are on the floor that are hard to quantify (not that Lucious was an allstar but his importance I think is bit understated here). That said, I think that much of this season has to do with off the court issues, the Lucious dismissal not only being a result of that but also possibly a catalyst for future problems in that area.

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by vert_et_blanc on Feb 4, 2011 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

Hah..
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Source told FOXSports.com (and I’m sure it’s already out there) that Michigan State transfer Korey Lucious visiting Iowa State this weekend.

Iowa State is apparently the new mecca for big ten rejects.

by MooTheKow on Feb 4, 2011 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's useful to look at who we're playing and

how they are performing given expectations. I think losing Lucious hurts some, but is not a major blow or a major factor – statistically – in our poor performances since his departure. There may be a psychological impact to his dismissal that can’t be quantified in production statistics, but on a pure production basis we don’t lose enough to explain the home loss to U of M or getting demolished by Iowa.

Basically, if Lucious had been injured for the Iowa game, and we had to roll out a lineup of Lucas, Summers, Green, Roe, and one other serviceable player (Nix or Appling, take your pick) would you have expected that team to win comfortably? I’d answer that question with a yes. I’d also argue that that starting lineup should have been able, on paper, to beat U of M at home and IU by a comfortable margin, even without much help from the bench.

The bottom line is that, given the talent on hand, we’re clearly underperforming. I’m not saying we should be a top 10 team, but we’re looking at starting 4 highly recruited players, all of whom have played significant roles in winning two straight Big Ten titles and getting to two straight final fours, including a run to the national title game. If those players, plus a couple of reasonably competent role players, play up to their potential for 30 mpg a piece, we should be a pretty good team – certainly top 20. Right now, we aren’t.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 4, 2011 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

Minutes

I think it’s worth noting that before his dismissal, Lucious was 5th on the team in minutes played. Thus, even though he didn’t start, we basically lost the equivalent of a starter in terms of minutes played. This has caused Appling to go from about 20 minutes me to 33 minutes per game and Kebler to go from 4 minutes to 13 minutes per game. While Lucious wasn’t incredibly productive, his absence has most definitely created drastically different lineup combinations and playing time distribution.

Also, can we get some odds on the chance that we’ll have to face the Cyclones either next season (with Allen) or the season after (with Lucious)? I just have a feeling this will happen.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Feb 4, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

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