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GAME THREAD: MICHIGAN STATE VS. PENN STATE

So, it's a bit of a surprise playing a team in blue instead of a team in red today.  This is probably a good thing: empirically, Wisconsin is a better team than Penn State, and while MSU has lost games to the Lions in recent years (including this year), those difficulties are nothing compared to the struggles MSU has had against the Badgers in the Bo Ryan era.  Games against Wisconsin are always emotional affairs for MSU, and no doubt avoiding the Badgers means that MSU will be less exhausted heading into the BTT championship and/or the opening rounds of the big Tournament.

Nonethless, MSU is only 4-2 against the Lions in the past three years, and many of the wins have been been of the nail-biter variety.  As always, Talor Battle is the Lions' headliner, but Jeff Brooks (who should have been on one of the all-Big Ten teams) is a big threat down low, and performed very well against MSU in January.  This game clearly means more to Penn State than to MSU: many bracketologists have PSU as one of the last 4 teams in, a position which very well may be compromised with a loss today.  Conversely, MSU is probably safe at this point, but winning this tournament would bring more than a modicum of redemption to an otherwise disappointing season.  You know Lucas, Green, Roe, Summers, Kebler, and the rest want this badly.

KenPom likes MSU to win, 62-61.  This "winning in the Big Ten Tournament" feeling is at once unfamiliar and quite  enjoyable.  Let's keep it rolling.

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I’d love to see a cloning of yesterday’s start. Here’s hoping we see the kind of defensive effort throughout the game that we saw down the stretch against Purdue. A comfortable double-digit victory wirh everyone emerging healthy works for me.

by donaldo on Mar 12, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

Lucas

Needs 31 more points to reach 2000 in his career

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

I'm hoping for a win

but I agree with Rexrode that a loss really wouldn’t be too bad from a seeding perspective

by Stones1981 on Mar 12, 2011 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

Clark Kellogg

looks like my science teacher

mmmmm.... delicious

by Cup Noodles on Mar 12, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

Ugliest trophy ever.

We ought to make the loser keep it.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Wonk just threw something at the TV.

Rebound margin was discussed.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

Summers is all over the place here

Beat out Brooks for a rebound, drawing fouls, hitting threes.

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Make free throws, guys.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Summers in the first three minutes

where he has been after 40 or 80 minutes. Keep it going.

by donaldo on Mar 12, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Insert Summer related pun here

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Who is this #15?

I guess we can take Summers off the side of the milk carton?

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by Spartan D on Mar 12, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Big time start

Defense is OUTSTANDING – deflections, Payne challenging everything and Kebler and Summers hounding their guards!

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Pressing a little too much on the alley-oop try.

It was pretty obvious it wasn’t there.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

Tough call

Lucas threw the alley oop to low. It needed to be a couple feet higher. It might not have been the highest percentage play but I don’t mind them playing aggressive.

by Stones1981 on Mar 12, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

If Summers is back

This team just became a seriously tough out for the NCAAs

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Still nervous about Battle

We’re his favorite team to go off against and he’s been ice cold at the BTT so far

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

All we have to do is build a big lead

to survive our scoring drought that going to com in the second half

by Whoo..Tjones on Mar 12, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions  

Over under

the number of times we hear the word bubble today

by Whoo..Tjones on Mar 12, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

Eleventy.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's funny

that Joe Lunardi has Penn St as one of the last four in. I can’t really see how they deserve that.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

Compared to USC/Colorado/Georgia

I can see the argument.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Having Indiana and Iowa as their one-plays in conference helps.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking over their schedule for a final bubble post

Basically they cut all the really awful cupcakes and played mediocre ones instead. RPI flaw strikes again!

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Defense needs to pick up a bit

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

Twice

Frazier could have had the three two passes earlier but it’s alright, AT made up for it with his jumper…

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Good lord Monty is awful..

Summers gets hot for the first time the entire season – so you bench him to put in Thornton?

by MooTheKow on Mar 12, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions  

Weak call there

Draymond moved a little, but Kalin’s man was holding him to keep up

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

Nice read by Lucas there for the steal.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

About how I felt about Suton.

Should be in the paint going after rebounds, but if it goes down, okay.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It was all downhill

after his first 3 in the UNC game… :(

mmmmm.... delicious

by Cup Noodles on Mar 12, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

They're rattling out

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

Not yet, I don't think.

Around 5 fouls on each team, not sure exactly how many.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Another weak call there

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Go to the post

I hate when we forget to get the ball inside and Green is hovering around the perimeter, let us play inside out…

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Gotta get Roe and Green going

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Darn it DayDay

not playing Brooks tight enough and picks up a bad foul

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

It was.

Ball slipped out of his hand, both guys grabbed it at the same time.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Appling is getting hosed

The high screener is hammering him and that was no jump ball!

by Drew Perkins on Mar 12, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

Oh Lucas

You can’t make that pass

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

Well

crappy last few minutes here.

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

I'm sorry

but Sherman is too weak for this game. Need strength v PSU

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

Tired legs?

Shots just a little off.

by donaldo on Mar 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Roe shuffled his feet because he got shoved from behind.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

So did I.

Then I saw the blind zebra signal a travel.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Horrible call

Roe was pushed man…

Those scoring droughts and the turnovers always killed us this season. Hope we can get it together.

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

Good defense

Now put it in the hoop

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

Come on, focus guys

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:48 PM CST reply actions  

Two fouls.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

There it is

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

Do stupid things with the basketball.

Have shots rim out when you don’t.
Repeat.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on guys

You know Battle is going to shoot that, stay in front of him!

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

Battle

Throwing up his crap and it drops in…

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

You seem surprised.

Why?

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Gotta jump that screen with only 2 seconds on the shotclock…

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Given the first 10 minutes, not happy about a tie. Given the last 10 minutes, happy about a tie.

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Appling

He is deadly from the corner but next year he will have to bring the ball up and operate from the top of the key. Hope he makes a quick transition to the position of our quarterback!

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

2 tired teams out there

Fit to be tied.

"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar

by spartyball on Mar 12, 2011 3:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Not sure why they're tired

I watched that “game” yesterday and almost all of them just stood around on offense. Their bench had 0 points

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Just put Green and Roe out there

I think they sat Green way too long after his second. He can play with fouls.

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He also has a tendency to pick up lots of stupid fouls in a hurry. Unless the game got on the brink of slipping away, he was staying on the bench.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Again

Green is so good from the left elbow, I just dont know why we do not exploit that more. First play of the game he scores there and then we never really get him there. He should atleast touch it in the post every time down. We really do a bad job of taking advantage of our size on offense. Part of it is of course that Payne, Nix and especially Sherman arent comfortable yet making plays on a consistent basis.

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

PSUs starters

played almost the entire 40 minutes yesterday

by RewertsSpartan on Mar 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

"played"

Only Battle and Brooks even tried to move on offense for them.

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Penn State was nearly the slowest team in the country this year

340 out of 345. I can see why. The last part of the half was definitely their pace.

by Con-T on Mar 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

Mix that with Wisconsin at 345th

And you get “36-33”.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Eye-gouging basketball

by Con-T on Mar 12, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not anymore

Going forward Iowa, Indiana and MSU will all try and push the tempo in the conference.

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Lucas is our leading rebounder

Roe and Green need to own the boards in the second half.

by donaldo on Mar 12, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not advocating losing on purpose

But and extra days rest might not be the worst thing.

Plus, I’d rather be a 10 seed than an 8 or 9.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

Hard to say.

My gut feeling is 9 with a win, 10-11 with a loss.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

And he had us last-team-in the day before.

Put little faith in what he says.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

It is not just an extra day of rest. It would be an extra day and one less game – which is like two extra days of reset.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Silverware

Win the tourney and the season is a success, were not winning the big dance

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Summer-time...it's warming up.

Let’s get Durrell going again! He was showing glimpses of Summer time early in this game

by mschlanz on Mar 12, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

Bad recovery on that screen.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

Bad, bad defense by Green there

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

Seems to be working.

Had a good shot there but just wouldn’t fall.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the plan

Just gotta execute

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

I like Appling following for his own rebound

Less thrilled with Roe’s unawareness

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

Uhoh

Battle heating up.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

If you don't count Chaminade

We haven’t won three in a row all year.

It’s really actually amazing they are going to make the tournament.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

Big Ten reffing

Yep

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

And the post-halftime foul parade begins.

Is it too much to ask the refs to call the game the same throughout?

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

Sickening

Ticky tack calls they havent called all game. Part of being a good referee is to be consistent and not just in one half…

Where is Payne?!?

by Flaming Mo on Mar 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember

The next four minutes will be extra fouls called time followed by nothing being called, followed by nothing being called AND out of bounds calls being reversed from reality

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

We need to punch it inside

time after time after time

and maybe getting Summers a shot would be good, has he had a FG attempt since the first five minutes?

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, he has.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course that crap goes in.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

Him or Kebler.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Kebler is the one who was on him

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Battle

Prayer upon prayer …ugh

by mschlanz on Mar 12, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

Jeez....

Nothing you can do about those shots. We just have to hope he cools off.

by Stones1981 on Mar 12, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

So, hitting the arm on a 3 is not a foul

Yet the ticky-tack crap is?

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

I'll be glad to see Battle gone

next year. I hope he has fun playing in Europe.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

At the very least

This game should be the last time we ever see that kid

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Summers cold again.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

That was a decent shot

Just about everyone is missing right now

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely.

Nobody within 10 feet of you and no clear path to the basket? Shoot the 3.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Shocking...

I mean.. I thought the MSU coaches decision to bench him right after he hit a couple 3s at the start of the game was a brilliant move that would keep him hot all game.

by MooTheKow on Mar 12, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm OK with the shot

but instead of admiring it, head to the rim for a possible rebound.

by donaldo on Mar 12, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We're just a pure jump shooter away

from being a much better team.

I can’t help but wonder how much difference a guy like Byrd would have made.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

I've wondered it all season

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

They're in the bonus

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

Of course they are.

Post-halftime foul rules.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

We're not rebounding well anymore either

Not doing much well frankly

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

I don't like this 5

yeah, where is the offense going to come from here?

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

Thornton from 3.

That never ends well.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

Don't tell me they called that on Appling for getting sandwich-screened.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

Tale of two teams

Looks like we’re back to the disjointed one for this game.

by donaldo on Mar 12, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

I love how players can trick refs into calling obvious non-fouls.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Oliver is really helping us

Sixth man so far

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

GO INSIDE DAMMIT

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Problem is rebounding right now

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

Not really, haven't been any yet this half.

/knockonwood

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I shouldn't have said that.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

And shooting.

And the fact that Penn State won’t #$^* miss.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is that one team is hitting every shot and the other team isn’t.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

20 points in the last 20 minutes

Simply isn’t going to get it done and might put us back into the play-in games.

by RewertsSpartan on Mar 12, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

Not a chance. Not even a remote chance.

Not with Alabama, VT, and Clemson all losing today.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

we are cooked in the realm of 3 points by PSU.they are more hungry than us,

They have not been to tourney in 10 yrs….and Battle said he will do anything to take this team to the tourney…unfortunately…we looked tired..

by spartynation on Mar 12, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

There's a lid on our rim

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

LUCAS!

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, a basket!

I’d forgotten what that looks like.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions  

Was that off in time?

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Not sure.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Can they review that?

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't think so.

Game clock, yes. Shot clock, no.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

How many shots have we had roll around the entire rim?

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of them

Don’t think we’ve really been very far off on any shot

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

alot?

But so many just clanged off back rim

mmmmm.... delicious

by Cup Noodles on Mar 12, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It so boring watching Penn State play at this slow pace

I respect them for doing it because it’s the best way they can win, but it’s really boring when they don’t move the ball inside the 3 point line for the first 25 seconds of the shot clock.

by Stones1981 on Mar 12, 2011 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

Deliberately waiting until 5 seconds on the shot clock

And then taking whatever you can get has got to be the lowest percentage offense you can devise. And they’re killing with it.

by Con-T on Mar 12, 2011 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

All about increasing variance

Play an infinite number of possessions and we’re better. Play very few and something weird can happen

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

god does not want us in the final..the time that we dont play OSU, Wisc Or PU in the semis we are down to PSU.

haa..what a joke…Summers cant even hold on to the ball anymore..his confidence is so shaky….

by spartynation on Mar 12, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions  

Would a loss be better

for our seed outlook? Assuming we got past the first game, which is no gimme, given this.

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

It actually could be

Assuming you win as the 11 you get the three second round.

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe. I think a 10 seed is better than an 8 or 9. An 11 might be better than an 8 or 9.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking you're right.

Penn State only played half a game yesterday.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Piss poor transition D.

Pathetic. More time for Lucas ankle to heal, I guess.

by Senor Smoke on Mar 12, 2011 4:42 PM CST reply actions  

There was a foul there

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:42 PM CST reply actions  

No fouls called on PSU down low.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Not with these refs, apparently.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

So not all bad.

7 Big Ten teams is pretty good considering it was looking like four only a few weeks ago.

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not 7

Illinois’s spot has definitely been taken, for the second year in a row

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

We have been.

And we tip it up and that doesn’t go either.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

4 on Draymond

Just leave him in at this point

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

not really going to make a difference

nobody’s done anything for us since we were up 10

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

what happened to our centers

did they forget to come out of the locker room after halftime?

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

I’ve given up trying to figure out why or when the centers play.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Lucas ain't done yet

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

Really have to get a basket here

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

I think it’s over if we don’t

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy freaking crap

I wasn’t even checking the score on this game. Never seen a weekend this good for bubble teams. Alabama is so screwed.

Stupid Llamas!.

by otisnixon'sparty on Mar 12, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

No foul for hitting Summers's head?

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Roe giving his all

But his knees can’t take this.
Hasn’t he earned the right to rest?
Why bury the bigs today?

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by spartyball on Mar 12, 2011 4:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Roe actually got ball there

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Kidding of course

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Not even close.

There’s no way that was a flagrant or an intentional, but it was a heck of a foul.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Steve Kurr needs to shut up.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Because the ref is stupid.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Unbelievable.

What has MSU done to deserve such terrible officiating time after time after time.

by Senor Smoke on Mar 12, 2011 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

did you see the Purdue game?

Without the poor officiating we destroy teams.

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's not act like every loss this season has been terrible officiating.

This one hasn’t even been that bad, for the most part. When you shoot 25% in the second half and the other guys are 70% on contested 3s, you lose.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know

I should have upped the sarcasm quotient in that post, as it wasn’t meant to be serious.

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

College basketball referees in general suck.

For everyone.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Guys like Hightower and Valentine are corrupt, though.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If it doesn't have to be "intentional" to be intentional

then the name should be changed

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

don't they have flagrants for this?

Or are they supposed to be intentional?

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Flagrant is for "intent to injure" type fouls.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Summers with the three

All right stats guys, earn your bread and tell us who to foul

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

Disappointing result.

Get back to EL and get some rest, guys. Good 2 days. The 3rd day, well, not good.

by rook34 on Mar 12, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

good day and a quarter.

Not sure I’d call the first 30 minutes of that Iowa game good.

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Not going to dispute our foul count

But only 5 on them?

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

Well, when you don't go inside ...

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

their perimeter players just outplayed ours, Kalin just couldn’’t be superman every night. And we never really attempted to try and take it inside so…game.

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

And Battle had 9 points in a row on crazy shots. That was the difference.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

was it 9?

or 12? I thought he hit 4 straight 3s

by hascow on Mar 12, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

One was a reasonable shot.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Really too bad

I really wanted the rematch v OSU on a neutral court. For some reason I think they can be had and it annoys me that they keep escaping.

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions  

They've lost twice. In buildings no one wins in.

They’re really good. They play under control, make shots, and guard. They aren’t lucking out.

by rook34 on Mar 12, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

They have had a surprising number of close wins too.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

They almost lost to PSU, UM, MSU (all in Columbus), and NW in Evenston. Things even out, especially if you get away from officials who don’t think you foul often.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Winning close games is impressive.

How many of those have they lost? They close.

by rook34 on Mar 12, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but you can't live like that forever.

Play with fire often enough and you’re going to get burned.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I still think they're the best team.

Texas could get them but they are a mess. Everyone else will have major problems with their inside-outside game.

by rook34 on Mar 12, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

One injury

away from disaster. Their bench is brutal.

by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 12, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't watch enough

non-MSU college hoops to really know. I just don’t like Matta or anything about OSU for that matter, think Craft gets away with murder up top and hope that playing the top 5 players so many minutes catches up to them at some point.

I do think we could have beaten them at home this year if the good MSU team showed up. We actually bothered Sullinger enough to make it a game.

by mrblond on Mar 12, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It’ll happen in the tournament. I thought the same thing last year and it happened.

They are very susceptible to foul difficulties and it will catch up with them – just like it did last year.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 12, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is Matta never uses his bench.

OSU will need some pretty overwhelming talent to win a NCAA Championship while he is head coach.

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

not with MSU running on fumes

OSU fans were chanting we want Penn St as they were wrapping up UM. Looks like they get their wish.

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by spartyball on Mar 12, 2011 5:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well that sucks

but overall for the BT tournament: Mission Accomplished.

by steinfi2 on Mar 12, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

They won't be.

If anyone, it’ll be Illinois.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would you say that?

What is your problem w/ PSU? You’ve been ragging HARD on them.

Battle has battled hard for 4 yrs. I see nothing wrong with him getting a shot in the NCAA tourney.

by GreenMitt on Mar 12, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah mission accomplished..we are in the tourney..we can go the 2003 way or become a 2006 version,

who knows…we could have been a gr8 team, but I guess this is life. We have been so good for so many years and PSU needed the win to be in the tourney.
Bad deal for all other teams..PSU stole some one’s bubble. PSU SOS is higher than MSU????
Harvard..poor team will be left out.

by spartynation on Mar 12, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not sure Harvard isn't going to get an at-large.

They’ve got a couple of nice wins in non-conference.

(But yeah, PSU’s SOS being higher than ours is a measure of the dysfunction in the RPI.)

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

We weren't an Elite 8 team...

probably since Allen left, and certainly since Korie left.

We struggle so hard to make shots.

by rook34 on Mar 12, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually optimistic

Go back and look at the ‘09 Final Four team. Only three high contributing upperclassmen in Walton, Suton and Morgan (didn’t get much from Gray or Ibok). Meanwhile, underclassmen Allen, Lucas, Summers, Roe, Lucious and Green were all playing very well all ready.

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by Seer on Mar 12, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I'm out.

Time to enjoy the nice weather, because God knows I’m going to be parked in front of the TV all next week.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

Dunno.

We’re solidly in, I’m not worried about that at all. Might try to do my best guess at who’s in and out right before the selection show, but that’ll probably just be in the selection show open thread.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

This makes me uneasy

To play that badly against another bubble team can’t be good. They’re still in, most likely, but that’s not going to help them in any close decisions.

by Con-T on Mar 12, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

we will play as a 11th seed..

facing Vandy or Temple…i like the chances.

by spartynation on Mar 12, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

We're in.

Not even debatable. Probably an 11, maybe a 10.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying we're not in

I’m just wondering about having to play in as a 12.

by Con-T on Mar 12, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

There’s no way Colorado, USC, VT, Alabama, Georgia, Richmond, Illinois, St. Mary’s are ahead of us – and most of them are likely to make it.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 12, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

COlorado, VT, St mary will make the tourney..

USC, Richmond, Georgia and Alabama (one of them out)

by spartynation on Mar 12, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

We're in.

Probably a 10 seed. 11 at worst.

by rook34 on Mar 12, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

As I said

I’m not really questioning that.

by Con-T on Mar 12, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Green lining

Lucas needs the rest more than another game and we’re probably better off with the loss anyway.

A win could of got us an 8 or 9 seed at best. I think it’s preferable to be a 10 or 11. Avoid those 1 seeds as long as possible.

The sideline is always greener at MSU.

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