Selection Sunday Open Thread
by LVS on Mar 13, 2011 2:13 PM CDT
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No introduction needed; today's the day. Here's how bracketologists of varying expertise see things playing out for Your Spartans:
- SBN Blogging the Bracket: 11 seed vs. West Virginia in Denver.
- Bracketology 101: 11 seed vs. Temple in Washington, DC.
- Rush the Court: 11 seed (no placement).
- Andy Glockner/Sports Illustrated: 11 seed vs. Texas A&M in Washington, DC
- Jerry Palm/CollegeRPI: 9 seed vs. Villanova in Tulsa.
- Crashing the Dance: 9 seed (no placement).
- Joe Lunardi/ESPN: 11 seed vs. Kansas St. in New Orleans.
The full bracket matrix is here; it's noteworthy that of the 50ish expert bracket predictions the matrix includes, only one has MSU on the outside looking in (and the last update to that bracket was on 3/7, so it's of dubious relevance). So, barring a horrific turn of events, MSU is in -- and will likely be a 9, 10, or 11 seed, thus avoiding the "first four" games. My personal feeling is that an 11 seed placement is the most likely outcome, but all will be revealed in due time.
Dylan at UMHoops led off with a good discussion question, and we're not too proud to steal. So: which likely 6/7/8 seeds would you most like MSU to avoid, and which would you like to play? The most likely candidates seem to be (6) Georgetown, Kansas State, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, (7) Xavier, Temple, UNLV, Old Dominion, (8) Mizzou, George Mason, UCLA, and Utah State. I'll lead off: Georgetown, with Chris Wright's health still in question and poor play down the stretch, seems the most dodgy 6 seed. Conversely, I'd really rather avoid Xavier, a talented and rested team with a great tournament track record.
Anyway, the BTT final tips off in a 20 minutes, and we'll be around from time to time all the way through the selection show. Should be an exciting night.
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My dream
K-State, Washington, Villanova or UCLA first round
Florida, BYU, or Louisville second round
NOooooo K-State...
Jacob Pullen is like a better Taylor Battle. I can see him going off for 40 against us.
Villanova is more likely to be seeded in the lower half.
I’d feel most comfortable with Texas A&M then Florida, I think.
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Full Circle
I think a game against George Mason would be fitting for this team. In 2006, the roles were reversed and 11-seed George Mason knocked off the underachieving MSU team that has drawn the most comparisons to this year. I think it would be great to redeem ourselves by returning the favor this year.
"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher
lunardi
i like our seeding on his bracket. if we get past kstate, its BYU with only jimmy or wofford? then potentially duke. those first two games are winnable. and weve played duke very well already this year, and now were more healthy.
currently, i dont think well make it past the S16. but depending on match-ups, we could make a nice little run.
I'd love any midling Big East team as a first round opponent
Let the talking heads gush all over them… I think their over-rated just a tad due the distribution of games in a 16 team mega-conference. The bottom five are not good and are collectively comparable to Indiana/Iowa. (That makes plus two conference wins on average for the Beasties).
Some may see 11 teams in as a sign of excellence, but my take is there’s a lot of mediocrity sprinkled in with it.
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
One thing
with the “who do you want to play” is that we can talk about who we do want to play or not, but the 6,7,8, seeds doing the same thing about the 9,10,11 seeds definitely don’t want to play us even with our struggles.
For killing the next 10 minutes
Try naming every team to make the last 11 Sweet 16s (saw the link in Pete’s twitter feed). I got 167/176.
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Ohio State #1 overall.
No surprise there.
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#1s: OSU, Kansas, Pitt, Duke.
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Two play in games in the East?
And UAB getting in?
UAB?
Serious?
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I'll take UAB
Clemson chokes, fundamental rule of bracket picking
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Don't agree with Georgia either.
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Wow, Georgia got a 10 seed
Very glad we’re set up to play UNC in the 2nd round.
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Best I don't quit my day job, then
Two teams I thought were absolutely toast are in.
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Not if the committee is sane.
Then again, if the committee is sane, Georgia’s nowhere near a 10 seed.
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Not just you
On the Bubble Matrix almost NO ONE had UAB
I think it's worse news for Harvard and St. Mary's and maybe Colorado.
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Only if they drastically undervalue conference tournaments relative to past rounds
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Hopefully the ACC gets hit
Only one of BC/VTech/FSU
That is a possibility
And more likely than the Big Ten getting screwed, IMO, since we have a bunch just above RPI 50 and they have a bunch just below.
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East region is a bit bizarre
I think OSU got a fairly easy draw. UNC is not a real 2 seed and Kentucky as the 4 isn’t especially scary either.
UAB
Only 3 of the Final 37 brackets on Bracket Matrix had them in
Georgia being a 10
Makes me think they are valuing lack of bad losses. Pretty good for us, not so much for UCS
Michigan gets an 8?
Wow.
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Terrible matchup for Michigan.
And Tennessee won’t be an easy win either. That’s a talented bunch used to playing in big games.
Wow...
UM an 8 seed? could this be the worst seeding job ever by the committee?
Holy cow.
Texas-Oakland in the first round. That is … intriguing.
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Glad SDSU got a 2 seed
they deserved at least that.
We could both still be in.
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Penn State in.
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I have a very hard time understanding Illinois over Michigan State
Just don’t see that happening.
by john.kmiecik on Mar 13, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
UTEP is not getting in.
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that's right
I forgot that Memphis won the Bid
With Michigan as an 8 and PSU as a 10
I think the B10 gets 7 teams in.
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by LVS on Mar 13, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
The ACC is going to get hammered by the fact that they draw the arbitrary cutoff for good wins at top 50. MSU, PSU, Illinois, Michigan all above that; BC, Clemson, VT all below.
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"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
I figured them both for 11s, maybe a 10 for Michigan.
The fact that Michigan swept us and swept Penn State counts for a bit; their record against the 26-50 range is insane.
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going to have to see two B10 teams in this next region rundown.
Only having one in the West makes for less breathing room.
Right
If the Big Ten gets 7 then every region needs 2 from here on out.
Alabama?
Haven’t seen them yet. And don’t expect to.
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9 for Illinois?
Holy crap.
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We might be in a play-in game
still 2 of those left
There is Illinois. Either we are out or BT gets 7
OK, 2 Big Ten teams left for the last region
Us and Wiscy
3 for Purdue
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I like Purdue's draw.
Georgetown is a first round upset
USC/VCU play-in
Wow.
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No, the play-ins are already covered.
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Fourth one is another 16v16.
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I think that kills BC and VT.
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damn you, CBS Sunday Selection show!
you knew we were going to be shaking, quivering messes.
quit f***ing with us.
Nervous as hell
We just beat a 3 seed convincingly can we really be out?
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Apparently that Iowa loss hurts more than we thought
by john.kmiecik on Mar 13, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Illinois lost to Indiana though
And Illinois-Chicago so I don’t buy that
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Not with the seeds the rest of the Big Ten has been getting.
I’m reading us in a 7/10 game (can’t be 8/9 because Wisconsin’s almost certainly a 4 or 5, so we’ll be in the other half of the bracket).
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Yeah, but the way they've been seeding
There’s no way we’re a 6 and no way we’re an 11. I could believe 7 or 10.
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We HAVE to be in
Every Big Ten team has been seeded higher than I thought they would. Big Ten is getting major acolades from the committee so they damn well better give us some as well.
With the seeds the rest of the big ten teams have gotten
we have to be in, but I’m still nervous.
Holy cow....
Anyone else looking at this and thinking this is one of the most bizzare brackets ever so far as which teams get in/where?
I think that most years.
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It seemed mostly correct in '09
Other than I think the Big East hype train was way overdone, as usual.
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I didn't see Michigan or Illinois in 8-9 games either.
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Wisconsin is the 4
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Ooh, Wiscy-Belmont
That could be fun.
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Easy two seed.
Could be a good bracket if we are in
Took their sweet time.
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GREAT DRAW
UCLA is a weak 7 and we can def beat Florida
WOOOOOOO
Thanks for flubbing the line Gumble and saving me one more split second of agony.
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That makes me considerably less thrilled about Florida being the 2
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Seth Davis is shocked Colorado was out?
I was shocked they were in the discussion. The committee loves to smack people around for scheduling like ninnies in non-conference.
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So, I think the ones I missed
Georgia, UAB, USC in; Harvard, St. Mary’s, VT out.
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At first glance I like our draw
If we can beat UCLA there’s 2 seed Florida and 3 seed BYU in our side of the bracket. I think those are the weakest 2/3 seeds in the tournament.
Whew
At least we weren’t in the last 6.
But that wasn’t fun.
by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 13, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
This draw doesn't scare me.
Granted, if we play like yesterday none of it’s going to matter, but if we play like we can, we’re set up for a run.
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as long as they dont have guards that can shoot from 35+ ft we will be find
by Whoo..Tjones on Mar 13, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point.
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I want to see Appling on Jimmer
Not saying that he’s ready, but it’s a good test.
by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 13, 2011 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
Yes I do.
It’s about the future now.
by eriksmithdotcom on Mar 13, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I nailed as many of the tournament teams as Lunardi.
We both whiffed on Georgia and UAB; he got USC but missed VCU.
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Is some going to start a bracket challenge on ESPN
by Whoo..Tjones on Mar 13, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It's coming. With prizes.
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