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Five is not enough.

Me, last November:

To repeat something I've now written probably a half dozen times since the loss to Butler in March, a 2011 MSU basketball season that ends short of the program's third national championship will not necessarily be a failure, but it will be a disappointment.  There's only one way to beat back-to-back conference championships and Final Four appearances.

You can't finish much more short of a national title than a first round tournament loss (although MSU came perilously close to not even getting that close).

I had hoped for a 27-6 record going into the Big Dance.  Try 19-14.

So, yeah, disappointment.  Of the utter variety.

What went wrong?  Well, just about everything.  The team regressed in nearly every area of its tempo-free profile: 2-point shooting (5 full percentage points there), offensive rebounding, free throw rate, three-point defense (3.5 percentage points), defensive turnover percentage, defensive rebounding, and defensive free throw rate.  Even in areas where the numbers improved slightly, there were stretches of sustained frustration during the season: turnover percentage and three-point shooting.

The numbers are skewed slightly by the brutalness of the schedule.  MSU somehow actually ranks one spot higher than last season in adjusted defensive efficiency.  On offense, it's not even close: down 34 spots.  Those rankings are based on averages, though.  Over the course of the season, the team rode a rollercoaster of inefficiency: failing to hit an offensive efficiency mark of even 90 against two nonconference foes, going through a stretch of six Big Ten games in which all but one opponent hit the 110 offensive efficiency threshold, and then--even as the team found some defensive identity--falling short of the 100 mark on offense in five of the team's last six regular season games.

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In conference play, the team's performance fluctuated from mediocre to dismal to merely average:

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I don't think there's much point dissecting every factor contributing to the team's underperformance over the course of the season, but here's a quick overview: There were pre-existing issues and external shocks--a star player coming off a major injury, the dismissal of a key back-up, and recurring health issues for the two key interior guys.  There were mental obstacles--Nix going AWOL early on and Summers' seemingly season-long struggle to find his confidence.  And there was just a flat out lack of development--only five of the 11 guys on the team's KenPom page finished the year with an offensive rating above 100.

A coach renowned for his ability to break a team down and then rebuild into something bigger than the sum of its parts was left at season's end with two offensive playmakers, two solid defenders, and . . . not much else.  It's hard to say how much of the blame lies with Tom Izzo (although he's certainly taken responsibility for all of it).  The only decision I think you can clearly criticize is not giving the young bigs more regular opportunities as the season progressed.  But I really don't think any of the three was going to emerge as a go-to difference maker this season regardless.

If you want to revel further in the misery of this season, there's plenty to revel in in the site's archives.  (And you can add every aftermisery thread and game recap following the team's 15 losses to that series of hyperlinks.)  I, for one, am ready to close the books on this one.

Compared to the peak we had all hoped to climb, this season instead represented a distinct valley.  But, as has been noted previously, it's pretty amazing how high the lowest moments are under Tom Izzo's watch.  And this program has bounced back pretty quickly from the valleys in the past.

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Looking forward to next season, expectations should be much reduced, but some real promise exists.  The team will return three of five starters--although two of those guys are defensive specialists (at least based on their careers to date).  This will be Draymond Green's team for his senior season.

In terms of the pieces that are coming and going, the team will add six new players (including the two redshirts from this season) to replace just three guys.  Two of the departures--one major talent who just couldn't make it happen this year and one former walk-on who squeezed quite a bit out of his limited talent--should be relatively easy to replace.  The third departure, not so much.  Kalin Lucas leaves behind a major hole as the team's primary ball-handler and go-to scorer.

Here's a (very) tentative depth chart for next season:

StarterBackups 
Point Appling Trice  
Wing1 Dawson Kearney  
Wing2 Byrd Anderson Thornton
Big1 Green Payne Gauna
Big2 Roe Nix Sherman

There should be spirited competition as 13 guys compete for 9 or 10 spots in the regular rotation, with only the positions of Appling, Green, and Delvon Roe assured.  If Keith Appling can make the major progression freshmen often do when they become sophomores, Travis Trice can play the point competently for 10-20 minutes per game, and at least one of Branden Dawson, Brandan Kearney, or Dwaun Anderson can give the team a credible scoring threat from the wing, this will be a fairly well-rounded team.  Russell Byrd will hopefully give the team the pure outside shooting threat it lacked this season, and Alex Gauna will append another skillset (bulk plus perimeter shooting) to the current three-headed back-up big man monster.

The Big Ten looks to be down quite a bit next season.  Root for Ohio State to win the national title so Jared Sullinger and William Buford have nothing left to come back for next season.  Purdue and Wisconsin both lose major components (Johnson/Moore, Leuer/Nankivil).  That's even more true for Illinois and Penn State.  On paper, Michigan may actually be the preseason conference favorite, with the entire lineup returning for a team KenPom pegs as the 23rd best in the country right now.

MSU may not compete for the Big Ten title, but the team could realistically finish well into the upper division.  It's been a tenet of my blogging about MSU basketball that depth is the overriding key for Tom Izzo-coached teams to be successful.  This season's team didn't have it (conference-only depth ratio: 3.52; and that'd be higher [worse] if you factored Lucious' minutes out).  While there will be a lot of new faces next season, those new faces will create the opportunity to build depth and perhaps make this rebuilding phase a brief one.

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Going into the off-season last year, most people thought the team had too much depth. File this away under the “don’t count them until they hatch” category.

by SpartanBoiler on Mar 21, 2011 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

True enough

Although we were looking at 9 scholarship guys—11 including the walk-ons—going into this season vs. 12 and 13 for next season. So the pool of potential contributors will be larger, albeit generally less tested.

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by KJ@theonlycolors on Mar 22, 2011 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Versatility is key

I think Coach Izzo depends on versatile players like Anderson, Morgan, Walton, Thomas, etc for his scheme to be successful. He didn’t have that this year. The loss of Byrd was an underrated factor in the struggles IMO. There was no player that you would consider a big wing or SF type player. Even if he would’ve struggled to hit shots, which we hope he won’t, his presence would’ve helped them avoid having Summers, Green, Roe guarding guys they can’t cover. I feel like Appling was forced to be a defensive stopper out of necessity but at the cost of offensive aggression. Thankfully he’s a pretty good defender. I feel like the incoming kids will bring versatility back to the table and the team will be more successful.
I just hope we’re past that silly class system now where all success or failure depends on a Big 3 like the rest of the team didn’t matter. I think players understand when they’re a role player but might not necessarily like being called that in public, they all think they’re stars. You win and lose as a team. Let all players do what they do best. Sherman is never going to thrive as a banger/rebounder, he’s a scorer. If you’re going to play him, use him.
Can’t wait til October 15.

KJ, thank you for this site. It is the BEST, and all the best to you.
To Pete, LVS, Con-T, SpartanDan, intrpd, patrick and any TOC contributor that I missed, Thanks for getting me through the season. You’re all great!
I’m hoping for lots of hoops content through the summer but I understand if you have other things to do.

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by spartyball on Mar 21, 2011 11:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm really excited for the Appling era

He shoots very well and his defense as a freshman was incredible.

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by Seer on Mar 22, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree

If Green isn’t “versatility” personified then I think your expectations of what constitutes a versatile player are way too high.

He can shoot three pointers, score off the dribble, dish assists, and score in the post. I guess he’s a little less versatile on D, but he’s OK in the high post, can bang in the low post, and can guard on the perimeter as long as he’s not being asked to guard a smaller, quicker player. And he’s an excellent rebounder on both ends of the floor. The only thing the guy can’t do is guard 2 guards and point guards.

by TheCrestedHelm on Mar 22, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I was thinking more of defensive versatility which is the mean reason Green was unable to replicate what Morgan did.
His 3pt shooting really hurt the offensive rebounding of this team though.
Green probably does everything else better than Morgan and is climbing higher on my list of favorite Spartans.

"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar

by spartyball on Mar 22, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green could play at the 3 if the big guys get better

I would rather seen Green at the second wing position than the others listed there. It would work if two of the Bigs could establish an inside presence. But, if Green is the only guy who can consistently score inside, then that will force us to have him play down low and we will suffer on the wing.

by JimmyB! on Mar 22, 2011 1:04 AM CDT reply actions  

The problem with...

…that this year was that Green is better at guarding bigs than wings. The solution is probably to put Green on the other team’s 4 and have Roe guard the 3, because he can do that.

by witless chum on Mar 22, 2011 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Playing Roe and Green at the 3/4 is a problem on offense

Green is much more effective when he mixes it up inside and out. With Roe we will have two inside players clogging the lane which negates Green’s ability to drive or post up. I think pairing him with a center or inside player like Roe is the best idea.

by Flaming Mo on Mar 22, 2011 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

But I personally think Green will and should mix it up between the 3 and 4. Offensively he’s incredible as a 4 but is still useful as a 3. I think we’ll see some Payne/Nix and Green, Roe and Green, Payne/Nix/Sherman/Gauna with Roe and Green at the three (if he’s in at all when Roe’s at the 4)

by Loneytunes on Mar 22, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks KJ

I’ll miss your commentary. Do visit often!

Next year should be fun, as long as we keep our expectations low. Checking out freshmen, seeing the jump the sophomores made will be more fun, certainly than the kind of year 2010/11 turned out to be. I’m very curious about Byrd and Dawson in particular — how good a shooter is Byrd? Will Dawson really be the rebound machine advertised? Thinking back on earlier Izzo teams, and watching parts of old games on the Big Ten network, I’m struck by how much more length the team had in the mid decade period. Man, they were big and athletic. Wing players like Torbert and Anderson were great rebounders for their positions. I am looking forward to a taller, bigger team that does not get out muscled in places like Madison and can impose its will on teams when the outside shooting is off.

The other key, I think, is having good passers. This year’s team had lousy execution on offense in part because Green was the only above average passer for his position, at least once Lucious left the team. So often this year, players were open in great positions and failed to get the ball for easy shots. Here’s hoping the new kids have that special skill.

Next year, Michigan will be very solid, you know Wisconsin will not skip a beat, and OSU will presumably have the usual huge amount of talent. Still, anything short of a top three finish should be considered a disappointment.

by Anderlecht on Mar 22, 2011 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I miss having athletes that could finish on the break...

Brown and Ager were really fun to watch .. felt like every other game they’d have a spectacular ally-oop dunk or two on the break. Seems like it’s been a good while since we’ve had that.

by MooTheKow on Mar 22, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

this team dunked the least of any MSU team I can recall

Because the only high flyer was Summers who couldn’t convert an alley oop to save his life. Appling I guess can dunk but we rarely saw it, Roe just doesn’t have that great of hops anymore and Green never was a dunker. Lucas, well he dunked once that I recall lol.

But next year you’re going to see more dunking just because of the addition of Anderson, Kearney and Dawson, all of whom are good finishers. Appling will dunk more because he’ll run breaks and you’ll see Payne dunking because he’ll get more minutes. Plus I’m farely certain that Gauna and Byrd can dunk due to height lol.

The dunk has traditionally been an MSU specialty from the days of Magic and Kelser to Mateen and MoPete to Ager and Brown. I look forward to seeing it return next season.

by Loneytunes on Mar 22, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keith Appling's Lucas impression

That’s the major question mark for me next season. What MSU really loses in Lucas (amongst other things, surely) is a guy who can go one on one and create his own shot or drive to the basket, either making a lay-up or drawing a foul. There is no one on the MSU roster returning who has shown he can do that. I think Appling has had flashes and maybe be (probably is?) a better athlete than Kalin. If he can do that, drive and attack the basket, I think we’ll miss Lucas less.

"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors

by intrpdtrvlr on Mar 22, 2011 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Appling

I’m with you on this. In high school, KA seemed fearless driving the ball, and it will be interesting to see whether he can rediscover that one-on-one dimension, which was noticeably absent this year (in no small part because it wasn’t asked of him): the key will be developing his handle. There are lots of questions for next year, but having a go-to scorer who can get into the lane, draw contact and finish will be key. I also hope we seriously work on ball handling: I have never seen a team lose so many rebounds off their hands, mishandle passes, or lose their dribble as I saw this year. Even Lucas in the tourney seemed to be loose with the ball. One hopes having a rebounder like Dawson will help in that department.

by RobbingGormanThomas on Mar 22, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Senior Leadership

One huge difference between next year’s team and other “rebuilding” years under Izzo (‘01-02 and ’06-07) is that we’ll have rock solid senior leaders in Green and Roe. These are two guys who have unquestionably dedicated themselves to the program, won titles, and gotten to the promised land. They are also vocal and emotional leaders and appear to embrace that role. I also get the impression that the younger players look up to them. So, even though we’re adding a whole bunch of new pieces to the puzzle, I have confidence that those 2 are perfectly suited to bring them into the fold and we’ll be hearing a lot less talk about “chemistry issues” and “distractions” next year.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Mar 22, 2011 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm always skeptical of freshmen until I see them play in college

so my expectations aren’t that high for next year. I see potential, but we’re going to rely a lot on guys that didn’t play a minute this year. We will have more length and more scholarship players, so depth should be better. Given the exodus of senior leadership this year the league will probably be a little down, so that will help. Purdue, Illinois, and Wisconsin all have major holes to fill, and if the two guys at OSU go pro they will be thin as well, given who they have graduating.

Depending on what happens with Sullinger and Buford I like Wisconsin as the favorite, because Jordan Taylor will be back. They’re like the Borg – you can kill one, but similar model keeps coming right at you. Michigan could challenge them, and maybe Purdue if Hummel comes back healthy and they have a good class coming in. This all assumes Buford and Sullinger go pro – if they’re back along with Craft then they’re my favorite. I suppose if everything falls right for us we could be there, but guys will have to improve and freshmen will have to play significant roles. I expect us to finish in the top half of the league but am guessing 3rd through 5th rather than 1st or 2nd.

by TheCrestedHelm on Mar 22, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Jaw drops...

totally thought Jordan Taylor was a senior… he should be scary good next year.

"We were a little fat and sassy" -Tom Izzo

by itsalwaysunnyinEL on Mar 22, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I was thinking this weekend could impact whether he comes back

But apparently he isn’t a great pro-prospect. Chad Ford has him as the 98th best prospect and 20th best at his position.

I’m no expert but that seems rediculously low. If there are 20 pgs better than him in college basketball I haven’t seen them.

Still, two games like he had against OSU might change things. Am I allowed to want this to happen if it results in him going to the draft?

by trivialstuff16 on Mar 22, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope he goes

But it’s not likely. Draft Express has him as the 80th best prospect and about the 14th best PG. His advantages at the college level apparently don’t translate that well to the pros. He won’t be able to overpower NBA point guards and he lacks both height and quickness. With Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight, Jimmer Fredette and Nolan Smith in this year’s draft, and Taylor’s stock only likely to rise with his senior year performance, I’m expecting him to stay. Really, Darius Morris has a higher draft stock right now than Taylor, and I really don’t think he’s going either. With Taylor returning, Wisconsin would no doubt be in the mix as usual, even without Leuer and Nankivil.

by Con-T on Mar 22, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't be surprised

to see him test the waters, go through the camps/workouts, and see where he stands. I’m no NBA Draft expert, but he seems like the kind of guy that gets taken late first/early second round to a veteran team like San Antonio or Boston, takes his time learning the system, and in a couple years, people wonder how he ever slipped that far. Whether that’s this year or next is the question.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Mar 22, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

What Im hoping for

next year is to see the explosiveness that MSU used to have. MSU has usually been incredibly fun to watch, even when they lost. You could tell that the players genuinely enjoyed playing together, where this team just seemed at odds, most likely because of the dissapointment of not living up to expectations in the slightest, but also I think chemistry played a factor. This years team was brutally painful to watch because literally NOTHING ever worked the way it should. Hopefully the influx of athleticism will allow the team to play an uptempo style so at least they are entertaining, despite the low expectations.

Early Player Expectations:

Draymond Green – 15 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG, 1.5 BPG I think we’ll see alot more ‘Beast Mode’ now that Kalin is gone. Say what you will about Kalin but especially near the end of the year he was a class A ballhog (admittedly there weren’t many other options to pass to)

Delvon Roe – 5 PPG, 6 RPG, 1 BPG Kinda given up on Roe ever developing to even half his potential. His injuries mixed with a huge lack of touch just don’t bode well for offensive improvement. He’ll be a stopper again and maybe have 3-4 big scoring nights.

Adreian Payne – 8 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 BPG I don’t think Payne will be fully developed, mostly due to the fact that Dwayne Stephens is a garbage coach at developing bigs on time if at all. I think his junior year will see him break out, but this year I expect him to be a good offensive threat will some nice post touches, and he’ll probably have some huge games round tourney time. Defensively he better hold his own, but the addition of muscle oughta do it for him.

Derrick Nix – 6 PPG, 3 RPG Nix’s time, like Payne’s will come the season after this, there is just too many players for him to get enough minutes to be a double digit scorer. The most encouraging thing will be if he actually gets his act together and loses the weight for good. I could see Nix breaking out IF he is in good shape and improves his decision making, but it probably wont happen.

Garrick Sherman – 3 PPG, 1 RPG There just isn’t room for Sherman this year. Payne and Nix have more potential and will almost certainly take away minutes from Sherman. Lets hope he improves his handling and defense. He’ll be the Idong Ibok of the team, solid minutes to give others a rest.

Alex Gauna – 1.5 PPG, 1 RPG If he reaches even these numbers Ill be suprised. He’ll compete with Sherman for garbage time. Hopefully he’ll give solid help on D, but as already stated, theres just so much competition that he’s going to have to wait to become a regular contributor.

Russell Byrd – 8 PPG, 2 RPG, .5 APG Basically expect Byrd to attempt 5 to 7 threes a game and make around 3. He’ll have big games and he’ll have games where he’s a nonfactor. But hopefully he’s familiar with the system after redshirting.

Keith Appling – 11 PPG, 3.5 APG, .5 Steals Appling has some big shoes to fill. I think he’ll be a bigger distributor than Kalin and have some monster games. I don’t expect him to be a huge scorer just because most that onus will fall to Green, but he still should be a solid PG who can hopefully create his own shot. From what I’ve seen he could stand to gain some speed and work on his handle. If he controls the ball effectively and gets the Spartans up the court quick I think the Spartans will be very succesful.

Branden Dawsen – 8 PPG, 3.5 RPG I’m basically giving Dawsen the same stats that Maurice Ager had as a freshman. Dawsen oughta score and finish but he’ll still be raw and make a lot of mistakes. No one and done here, but he’ll rebound well and have some chemistry with…

Travis Trice – 2.5 PPG, 2 APG I don’t think Trice is going to create much for himself but he seems smart and will probably get a couple dimes and throw some alley oops to Dawsen.

Brandon Kearney - 2 PPG, .5 APG I think we may see Kearney get some time at the point since apparently he’s a fantastic ball handler. He’s gotten a lot of flack lately by recruiting services, so don’t be suprised if he or Dwaun Anderson redshirt (I think one of them should personally. You don’t need both, since they’ll basically give you exactly what Austin Thornton already can. Why waste a year of eligibility?)

Dwaun Anderson – 2.5 PPG Anderson isnt a good shooter and I could see him redshirting for that reason, but also he can DUNK. So who knows, lets just hope he gives us some nice plays on the fast break and keep an eye on his development, because he’s a big question mark, even with Mr. Basketball under his belt.

Austin Thornton – 2 PPG, 2 RPG, 4 PF per Game (thats half a joke) Thornton wont be starting much next year, but I think he’ll get minutes because he’s solid on D, can shoot when open and has experience. The question is do you give him minutes over a frosh, when they clearly need the minutes to develop? I say no, so expect maybe 5 minutes max.

This should add up to about 78 total points per game. That might be high, but most the players excepting Roe seem to be better at offense than defense (or at least equal). Expect a lot of high scoring, close games.

I’m just looking for a fun season as I previously said, and I think Izzo will thrive under the low expectations. Lets say… 23-11 with a sweet sixteen run at best? This is very early but as a basketball fanatic i already can’t wait.

by Loneytunes on Mar 22, 2011 11:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Good post

And I like your overall prediction for the team. One thing though, I think Dawson if given time is gonna be a beast on the boards. He is widely regarded as one of the if not the best rebounder of his class and there will be a lot minutes waiting for him since we really have no other true small forward on the roster. I wouldnt be surprised at all if he averages double digit points and over six rebounds a game. Kinda similar to Morgan’s production but with more upside…

by Flaming Mo on Mar 24, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Thats definitely part of his upside, it wouldnt suprise me but he’s primarily a 3 and thats going to limit him since we have Green and Byrd with big minutes there, plus Roe, Nix and Payne are all great defenders. Plus if Kearney overperforms he may see minutes at the 3 as well. So thats why I tempered my expectations but of all the players on this team he’s the one who I see most likely will average close to a double double in the future years after this season, something ’round 15 and 9 a game as a soph?

by Loneytunes on Mar 25, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

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