Garrick Sherman to transfer
by patrick_hayes on Mar 28, 2011 10:26 AM CDT
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The State News tweets:
In a release, MSU announces Garrick Sherman will transfer from MSU.
Sherman's obligatory comment:
Sherman in release: "I met with Coach Izzo and after talking things over with my family, I believe it's time for a fresh start..."
Izzo's obligatory comment:
Izzo in release: After... talking with his family, Garrick Sherman has informed me that it's important to get a fresh start elsewhere.
This will free up a scholarship to make 2012 target Gary Harris more of a target. I don't think anyone is surprised that a player is transferring after the season MSU just went through. Chris Vannini of the State News wasn't surprised Sherman decided to leave:
Can't say I'm surprised Sherman is leaving. Frustrations were obvious this season. My question is how does this affect his best friend Nix?
I'm not sure how it affects Nix. Both he and Sherman pretty clearly fell below expectations the last two years. If Nix stays, he'll certainly be in line for more playing time now, you'd think. And if he goes too? MSU will come back with a much different looking frontcourt next season, which might not be a bad thing.
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Sherman on his own terms
I was always a Sherman supporter and really thought his touch around the basket was better than any of the other MSU post players. It’s too bad that it didn’t work out for him; I think he still could have been a contributor in his final two years and it wasn’t completely fair that he unable to redshirt. A transfer year off will be beneficial to his career and game.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Sherman in terms of Harris
The only interesting thing here is if you believe that Harris is down to MSU and IU, or secretly favoring one of the two and holding his verbal until a scholarship opens. Definitely an interesting time but I’m not positive it changes anything.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Isn't Louisville closing in on Harris?
by rook34 on Mar 28, 2011 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They've definitely ramped it up.
Also, the Indiana people are very confident but most still think he’ll wait until fall to announce. Interesting to see how this, coupled with Indiana getting Jeremy Hollowell, shakes the situation up.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
by intrpdtrvlr on Mar 28, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Pardon my Ignorance
But what does Jeremy Hollowell affect?
I personally think that the biggest key for Harris coming will be playing time. He must know that he’s not going to immediately get 20 minutes a game here, what with Byrd, Dawson, Kearney, Anderson and Valentine to compete with at the 2 and 3 (although I think Kearney will see time at the 1 thats aside the point. Pun intended?). Does he seem like someone where that will make or break his decision?
I don't think...
…dudes like Harris think like this. I think they’re more likely to think they can beat out those guys and why not? It’s a collection of unproven college players who weren’t as hyped as Harris by the recruitniks.
But I can’t disagree too much with someone who puns like that.
by witless chum on Mar 28, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think
you definitely get kids who would rather play on a team with potential to be good, but isn’t quite elite because they have a better chance of starting earlier. Like say some top 15 recruit chooses to go to Virginia Tech over MSU (assuming no foul play is involved). I think itd definitely be because he’d get immediate PT at VT (thats not a pun but its wordplay nonetheless! On a roll) due to his highly touted recruitment and definite discrepancy between the talent on the depth chart, whereas at State you know Izzo won’t start you unless you earn it, and may not even if you do, over a more experienced and similarly talented guard, not to mention we have a FLURRY of guards, similar to the logjam that Sherman just transferred himself out of. I already expect this, but if Harris comes, look for a transfer out of either Kearney or Anderson (probably Anderson since Kearney’s ball handling ability probably ensures him more playing time early)
Hollowell
The addition of Hollowell, as you can see from Inside the Hall’s scholarship chart, means that Indiana doesn’t technically have a scholarship for Harris now. Of course the IU fanbase in general does not seem at all concerned by that. I’ve even seen comments to the effect that earlier, less heralded/successful Crean recruits like Bobby Capobianco should be “encouraged” to transfer somewhere they would get more playing time. At any rate, the positions of IU and MSU are now reversed from what they were a couple of weeks ago.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Con-T
but I don’t think I am – Hollowell already puts them technically one over, doesn’t it? The Indiana boards I read suggests that Hollowell is #14. That chart already has Bobby C gone in 2012 but that’s not the end of his eligibility, is it? He should be a senior in 2012.
Harris would be #15. That’s my impression.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
No, I'm wrong
but still confused. I was under the impression they were full before Hollowell. Is it Roth who technically could get another year in 2012 but is assumed to be gone?
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Roth
Lost most of a season to a broken foot but did play two games, which burns that year of eligibility. He has at most, I believe, one year left. In fact, he’s set to graduate early and is applying to grad schools. So under those conditions he could go elsewhere and play without waiting a year, but that would only give them an extra scholarship for next year, sort of like we have with Lucious.
And
Indiana apparently has Jamari Traylor on campus this week and they’re serious about him too. He’d be another “four year” (IU gets quotes on that now) player for 2011.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Some Indiana fans have suggested a "Big Six" class for Indiana
They claim that Hollowell is good enough friends with Harris that his commitment will be the tipping point to securing Harris coming to Indiana as not to miss out on something special.
Not really sure how much there is to it but some of the heavy hitters on the Indiana Scout board claim that’s the case. They still expect Harris to take visits and wait until Fall, however.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Best of luck to Garrick...
He has great skills around the basket. Someone was going to go in the logjam at the 5 spot. Nix had better be serious about getting himself together.
by rook34 on Mar 28, 2011 10:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, too bad
Another Sherman supporter here. I think he’s got a ton of potential and solid skills. A year off to bulk up will do him a lot of good. More importantly, he needs a place that he will get 20-25 min per game. Best of luck Garrick!
Yeah..
…I always hated the Sherman haters. His touch around the basket was such that you thought that he had the chance to be a really effective scorer. Really could have used a redshirt as a freshman, now he’ll get one.
Sorry to see him go.
I think he had the best touch around the basket of any Spartan big man in the post-Hudson days. He constantly made shots at odd angles, off the backboard, etc.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed about Hutson comp
I kind of felt he was a poor man’s (pale man’s) Hutson, with that touch & nice footwork, as well as smarts concerning positioning.
Like everybody else, though, I think his lack of bulk seriously hurt him in B1G play. Also, he seemed to have a lot of trouble catching the ball once he had established position, though that could be as much on how the guards Day-Day fed him the rock (bc we know the guards didn’t) as it is on his hands.
How is this "good" news?
Sims should have lost the privilege to ever compete for MSU again. His was not a victimless crime. His was not a MIP or other regulation violation. He willfully stole from a socio-economically disadvantaged community.
Note I didn’t say he should be restricted from attending college or attaining his degree. I don’t believe he should ever, ever wear a Spartan uniform again.
Seriously?
The relevant point:
Sims was one of 10 men charged after authorities said 104 laptops valued at $158,000 were stolen and sold online. Sims was accused of holding some of the stolen property and admitted during a pre-trial examination that he knew it was stolen.
Yes
It was so egregious that the court system pleaded his role down to the point where he recieved only probation. If I recall correctly his family and friends were directly involved in this. If my friends were doing something on this level, I surely would not knowingly take possession of the property, that was dumb of him. But I also can’t say I would be calling the police on them either. That’s a tough spot.
Look, this is the same argument that breaks out here every time a person gets in trouble between the people who are willing to give them a second chance and those who want them gone.
I don’t know which side is right or wrong, just that Dantonio clearly seems to be of the give them a second chance mindset. I think missing an entire season of football is a pretty strong punishment.
by trivialstuff16 on Mar 28, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
A second chance enables him to stay in school.
Which the article relays that he has done and performed well. I think he should stay in school and learn from this experience. Just not wearing an MSU jersey.
You sounds like someone...
Who never made a regrettable mistake when you were young.
by LickSplickidy on Mar 28, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again, there is a large difference between a youthful indiscretion and felony level crimes.
You are however incorrect. I have made mistakes, the consequences of some that resonate to this day. Playing sports isn’t a right but a privilege. One that in my estimation, Dion Sims should have lost.
Yup, yup
A regular student with a academic scholarship would probably lose it if they were in a similar situation, right?
"We were a little fat and sassy" -Tom Izzo
by itsalwaysunnyinEL on Mar 28, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't ignore
that he was involved in this situation through his father. Not sure how strongly an 18-19 year old should be punished for concealing a non-violent crime by a parent.
The judge’s decision indicates a lot to me as well. Sims missed a year of football, is on probation and was given 15 hours of community service.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
-1...
…just to be contrary. We’ve had worse people wearing it, I’d guess. I don’t have a real problem with ‘Hey, this guy can play’ being the standard, within reason. That’s the nature of the college sports and I don’t see a reason not be honest about it.
I generally agree with the university’s standard, which is that felony= off the team, less than felony= coach’s decision.
Sims’ case is more worrying in some ways, because it wasn’t presumably a spur of the moment thing, but he doesn’t appear to have been any kind of ringleader or anything. And he was suspended for all of the last year, showing that they took it more seriously than say Rucker or Lucious’ DUIs or the (I predict) the recent high altitude Englishman-punching.
by witless chum on Mar 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i know
a 6-5 285lb TE who has averaged 12 ypc is a bad addition.
i forgot no one who agreed has never downloaded music or a tv show. theres a lot of disadvantaged sound mixers, custodial engineers, and valets that lost out on money because we pirate their industry.
but kids that get drunk and punch peoples faces in are “just doing stupid college stuff”
I am not saying that he is a "bad addition" due to his size and or skill set.
It has never been a question of whether or not he has the skills or body size to be a productive tight end in the B1G.
As an alumnus of Michigan State University, I believe by committing a felony, he has forfeited the privilege to represent my alma mater in collegiate athletics. Once again, note I did not say he should be precluded from attending MSU or any other institution of higher learning. Just that he shouldn’t be allowed to wear “our” jersey anymore.
I have never illicitly downloaded a tv show or music, but really that doesn’t matter here either. I am not suiting up for MSU anymore. He is. He now represents “us”.
off season
Well, I certainly hope this is not the beginning of another eventful off season!
Harris is a benefit, but not the point
I think this is more about the front court rotation next year. With Izzo talking up Gauna, Payne needing more minutes, Nix being Nix, and Costello coming in two years, there was a log jam.
by Ian Cartwright on Mar 28, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed
I think Izzo had a huge hand in this actually. And not because of he “wanted Sherman off” but because he saw the rotation next year and he probably pulled Garrick aside and said: “Look, next year we’re looking for Payne to explode, Nix should be getting more minutes assuming he actually gets his body in order, we have two senior big men and Gauna is no longer on redshirt. So he’s going to get minutes just by default because he needs some gametime experience, since theres a possibility of us losing not only our seniors but Payne to the NBA if he breaks out. Your minutes are going to be limited, so I think itd be better for your development with a transfer where you can start and star at another school”
Garrick agreed, but I think that it was Izzo’s idea, having the best interest of the player in mind.
Maybe he follows Monty to NIU
He could be a near-dominant force in the MAC with 20 pounds of upper-body strength.
Oh please let this happen lol
I love the idea of Iowa State being the college team of MSU rejects so to speak.
Not surprised
This had the makings of a marriage that needed to end.
Sherm was a misfit for the role he was playing, he needs the ball and the team needed a strong rebounder and defender.
It’s too bad that he won’t give it one more shot with different PG’s that might get him the ball but I understand him not wanting to waste another year. Good luck Sherm!!
That loud noise is Gauna doing the DOJ.
So, there’s now room at the inn for Gary Harris. Game On!
In light of what’s happening at IU, I wonder which is more appealing to Harris: to join a burgeoning juggernaut or the challenge of competing against those guys?
Or does Pitino’s white suit and yummy new arena trump the others. Not to mention the more wide open style of Big East hoops where NBA scouts are always tuned in.
At any rate, the Green Carpet has been rolled out. Come on down!
"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar
Shermanator
I guess the sophisticated low-post scoring machine sent back in time from the future will have to change the present for some other lucky team.
Wish him the best.
"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher
by Ducking Delvon on Mar 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
Good luck to Sherm
Makes sense; his PT was likely to drop off a table next year. Probably a good thing for all parties involved.
Playing time for Sherman
If we get enough out of Payne, Nix, and Gauna that the team doesn’t miss Sherman, I will be happily surprised.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
by intrpdtrvlr on Mar 28, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They can't play the whole game
And I’d bet that Izzo wants to start using a more traditional center at the 5, maybe even bring Roe off the bench and save his knees some season long wear.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
But
Green will probably be getting something crazy like 35 minutes a game if conditioning permits it. Roe yes will need some rest but I think three guys are enough to relieve him AND cover a traditional five. But remember I don’t think Izzo liked what he saw from Green as a three not only defensively but because it removes him from the role of facilitator on the block. Green has great versatility but utilizing it also removes some of his greatest strengths.
Best of luck to Sherman
I think this will be a situation where it benefits both parties. Sherman can transfer to a school where he’ll get more playing time and his departure helps clear up some of the log jam we have in our front court while opening up another scholarship. Guana has reportedly been impressive in practice and has a skill (shooting) that only one other big guy has on our team.
Scholly
So what happens with his scholly?
Does Izzo bring in a JC/someone expected to be here only two years, or give it to a walk on? I don’t think Ianni needs one, his father is an MSU employee so I think he’s tuition free.
I always wonder about the “cost of tuition” thing. It never seems to make sense. (Someone brought it up on RCMB in reference to IU’s Jordan Hulls, whose parents have money.) Illinois’s Jordan was put on scholarship for his sophomore season even though I’m pretty sure his dad could cover the costs of tuition that year.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
True about the $$ thing
Also, what about that Biefeldt (sp?) guy who just recently commited to U-M from Illinois, and whose dad & uncle are huge traders here at CBE & are worth hundreds of millions – does a guy like that take a scholly? If he doesn’t & his family pays, does he count against the limit?
In my opinion...
…if a kid like that from an absolutely loaded family takes a scholarship, he’s doing his team a disservice, since that’s one fewer spot for another talented player to join the team.
Also, taking a schollie means he is under some extra restrictions that walk-ons aren’t subject to.
Heute, Ich bin ein Kreuzschlüssel.
People...
…didn’t get rich by missing a trick. And it’s probably wrong to blame the 18-year-old for what his parents would decided, don’t you think?
by witless chum on Mar 28, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What are the chances Izzo uses that open scholly...
…to get a big-time “1 and done” type talent for a year?
Heute, Ich bin ein Kreuzschlüssel.
Probably slim and none.
IIRC, Izzo was soured by the Zach Randolph affair and has made it a point to avoid those type of “talents” since.
Yeah besides Taylor & his ill-fated jump to the draft
The only early exit post-ZR was Shannon Brown, who I think most can agree was ready to go pro, and accomplished quite a bit during his time in EL.
Lorbek doesn’t count BC he went home for the summer & never came back.
I wonder whatever happened to Lorbek?
I bet he’s making a decent living playing in some Euro league
Heute, Ich bin ein Kreuzschlüssel.
He’s playing with . . . Alan Anderson in Barcelona. Not a bad gig.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Anderson's playing on Ricky Rubio's team?
They’re both starters, it looks like he’s got a pretty lucrative gig over there.
by Pete Rossman on Mar 28, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Big team, good money, living in Barcelona, playing with an old teammate and a good PG . . . things aren’t too bad for AA.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he got drafted in the 2nd round by the Pacers . . .
. . . after what would have been his, Davis & Ager’s senior season at MSU. D’oh!
Izzo on One-and-Dones
Izzo has said numerous times that he is absolutely not against recruiting one-and-dones. This is a recurring observation and one that is probably used against him on the recruiting trail. I have heard him say numerous times (in interviews, on his radio show, etc) that it all depends on the situation – what kind of player, whether he is surrounded by good people, that kind of stuff. It’s true that he’ll avoid guys who are surrounded by shady characters who are clearly looking for a place just to kill a year of time, but for guys like Oden or Sullinger, he absolutely will recruit them.
"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher
by Ducking Delvon on Mar 28, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think what affects him recruiting One and Dones
is that he refuses to recruit nationally most the time. That is a point that has bothered me for years. We have a top program and we do a nice job getting the best talent available in the midwest. Yet I’d like to see us actually in the mix for a Jared Sullinger or Kyrie Irving, someone who is a solid guy who can improve your program for a year at minimum but also is a quality individual who works hard and, Hey! they might actually stay more than a year too.
Sherman
had flashes of some sort of competence around the hoop but he has “turrible” hands
Sherman leaving.
I feel bad but honestly his role would have been nothing bust delegated to the bench. With Payne and Nix there would have been no way for him to play. Plus he has no chance with out bulking up. He has limited offensive skills and struggles a lot with big centers with good post moves.
I think out team will be much better next year than people think. I am sure coach is excited even after the departure of Lucas and Summers.
I think this is a bigger loss than people are making it out to be
No, his actual production wasn’t great, especially in conference play. But I disagree with the assertion that Nix and Payne were going to easily surpass him for playing time next season. I don’t think either of those guys are significantly ahead of him right now.
This is an oversimplification but I would think think the chances of Sherman adding needed muscle were just as good as the chances of Nix shedding weight, or Payne bulking up. That was what was holding him back. I think he showed a better understanding of post positioning then either Nix or Sherman, and some nice touch around the basket. True he can’t match Payne’s athleticism or Nix’s strength, but he had some advantages over them.
As for Gauna, I’ve been as encouraged as anyone by the reports on him. But we are still talking about a guy who has never played a college game.
Yes, if Nix and Payne make significant strides this offseason the team will be fine in the front court. But that’s not exactly a sure thing. And if there is any kind of injury to one of the front court guys we are looking very thin in terms of front court depth.
I have been approaching next season with the idea that one of the Nix/Sherman/Payne trio was going to need to make some significant strides. I think Sherman’s sense around the basket made him as strong a candidate to do that as either of those guys. So in my mind this just reduced the probability of getting some improved front court play. Hopefully Nix and Payne rise to the challenge.
Somewhat...
…agree. I think Sherman is better than people give him credit for and I agree that he’s as likely to resolve his weight “problem” as Nix is.
But there might have been a real logjam, unless Gauna or Payne show the sort of ability needed to handle the four spot while Roe and Green are both on the bench.
It doesn’t take much imagination to think of a scenario where we’ll really miss Sherman.
by witless chum on Mar 28, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed there are a lot of assumptions about Payne and Nix next year...
But along the same lines, why couldn’t Sherman, who has not had any serious injuries or impediments to his development, earn PT ahead of an underbulked Payne and an overweight Nix this year? It was very clear that the coaching staff lost confidence in him as the year went on and his PT continually decreased (his minutes actually went down by over 2 minutes per game after Lucious was dismissed).
"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher
by Ducking Delvon on Mar 28, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Sherman averaged 3 more minutes than Payne and 4 more than Nix. Last year, Nix averaged .5 more than Sherman.
by SpartanBoiler on Mar 28, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a downward trend
By the end of the year, Payne was starting and Sherm’s minutes had gone down from the beginning of the year. The overall season minutes include the first half of the year when Sherman was starting. He played at least 15 minutes in each of the first 8 games. By contrast, he only reached that mark once in the last 8 games.
"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher
by Ducking Delvon on Mar 29, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
In terms of Player Development
I think people are underestimating the improvement of Nix, Payne and Appling next year. And the reason is that after the 2009 final four run, the only player for two seasons who we’ve actually seen grow and improve is Draymond Green. Roe, Lucas, Summers, Lucious and the others all pretty much remained static for two years. People are afraid to expect big strides because we’re no longer used to them. It used to be that it just made sense that “Of course Jason Richardson is going to break out next year!” “Of course Neitzel will have to carry the load” “No duh Ager and Davis are going to be stars next year!”
I think that Payne and/or Nix will make significant enough strides that Sherman won’t be missed. Look at when we’ve had good bigs. We never needed FIVE. Needing five is ridiculous. You had Davis, Trannon, Andreas and Rowley. Enough players to give Davis a rest and hustle. If we truly miss Sherman thats sad, because that means literally not one of our three other centers on the bench are even playing reasonably close to expectations.
Bad analogy to david/trannon/andreas/rowley
If Paul Davis would have had a competent #2 big to go with him in 2006 that season could have been significantly different. He spent so much time trying not to get into foul trouble (because if he went out we had no one near as good to replace him) that it really hampered his game. Depth at a position is never a problem. I’m willing to bet next year if Payne becomes a star there’s still going to be at least a couple of games where he picks up 2 quick fouls and has to sit and then we have to rely on either a freshman with no game experience or nix who may or may not ever actually be in good enough shape to play significant minutes.
Im referring more to the 2005 season
Especially since you had Ibok, Suton and Gray in that 2006 season.
Davis didn’t really need much relief in the 2005 season, and you could throw out Anderson at the 4 if needed.
opens up a place for Gary Harris.
love to have Harris commit to MSU in the fall.
I think this was the most telling part of the press release..
End of Izzo quote:
“I continue to look forward to this offseason as we develop with players committed to Spartan basketball."”
I think Sherman just wasn’t a good fit for Izzo’s system. Izzo wanted players that simply lived basketball and put it above all else. He probably wanted Sherman to spend every waking moment in the gym or in the weight room. Sherman has a fiancee that lives out of state and comes from a farm — so I’m guessing he probably had other priorities in life and just didn’t want to devote the time and energy solely to basketball while putting the other things in his life on the back burner.
I think you are reading into things too much
Thats more a team affirmation thing than a Sherman issue. Everyone has distractions, noone lives and breathes basketball completely. I don’t think sherman was unmotivated, it probably had to do with his personal development as a player and understanding that he wasn’t going to play as much as Payne and Nix if they develop like they are supposed to. Really the only reason he played more than Nix this year was because Nix had awful conditioning. Next year he’d be competing with a freshman but he could start at a school like Indiana State or Central Michigan easily.
I agree with this
I don’t think you can read Izzo’s quote as a shot at Sherman. I can’t imagine Izzo taking an intentional shot at the guy’s work ethic as he’s heading out the door.
This is just a run of the mill quote in my opinion. Not an indictment of sherman. Especially since the kid never had an hints of off court or other issues.
by trivialstuff16 on Mar 28, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Comp. gives a little insight on Sherm
toward the end of this (free) video on spartanmag. They also awkwardly joke(?) that they’re going to go do cocaine, I lol’d.
"We were a little fat and sassy" -Tom Izzo
by itsalwaysunnyinEL on Mar 28, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Sad to see him go, hope it works out well for him.
Would be nice to have another option off the bench since his skill set is different than Nix’s (I think Payne was likely to get the most PT out of that trio anyway). Think we’ll be all right, though; bit of a logjam on the interior with those three, Roe, Green, and Gauna.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Um good luck?
We have no interest in keeping Painter at Purdue, but I can sympathize with your unease after having Izzo flirt with the Cavs last summer.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
I for one would love to keep Painter
I am something of a Purdue fan, but as an MSU fan I can only express enjoyment that the Boilers will soon suck. Their a bit lucky that Hummel got injured if he can compete next year, because then they’ll be good. But lets be honest they have thrived on that one recruiting class for YEARS. And the recent recruits have kinda sucked. Painter may be fired in 3-4 years if noone suprises.
No....great...loss
I feel a tad more upset than when Tom Herzog left. Sherman was completely ineffective on the defensive end. If Payne develops like we all think he can, he will need and get the minutes. Guana and Nix can add something too. I don’t think we’ll miss a step.
But good luck to you, Garrick! I think you can be a solid contributor to a MAC team or another mid-major.
MIchigan State Front Court 2010
The Bigs were a HUGE disappointment this year. Having watched MSU BBall since 79, i was amazed at how SOFT the front court was this year. With our Delvon Roe playing injured all year one would have thought this would motivate others to step up. it did not happen.
To give up the rebounding edge we used to command in the NCAA and the big ten, one knew something was not right in East Lansing. The lost of these slow soft big men, may be just what we need.
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