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Reviews and Previews: Adreian Payne

Coming into the 2010-11 season, Adreian Payne was Michigan State's highest ranked freshman with an RSCI (average) ranking of #27 in his class. Although he opened with 10 points and 7 rebounds in 14 minutes against Eastern Michigan, he never managed to break out and separate himself from the other young big men in MSU's rotation and finished the year with an offensive rating of 89.5 on a shooting line of .479/.000/.486 (2pt/3pt/FT). The departure of Garrick Sherman and arrival of redshirt freshman Alex Gauna leave Payne in nearly the same position he was in at the start of last year: needing to establish strength, consistency and skill to get more minutes in a crowded Spartan frontcourt.

"Raw", "athletic", and "potential" are words often seen in descriptions of Payne's game. Those can be great words, implying exciting things to come, but they also mean that what he's producing right now isn't everything it could be. Consider the following self-assessment by Payne:

"My athleticism was a gift so I try to use that when I can," said Payne. "As I work on my game, the skill will come along with it. I think that I can run the floor and block shots. I need to get stronger and work on my ball handling and decision making."

That quote might have come from the end of last season but he actually said it in early 2009, before he had even visited MSU. And what was true then remains true after an up-and-down freshman year where he showed flashes of brilliance but not enough skill and polish at either end of the court to convince Tom Izzo to keep him on the floor more than about 9 minutes per game.

But why didn't Izzo give Payne more than those 9 minutes, minutes he might have used to gain experience and realize that potential? Probably because it would be hard to argue that Payne wasn't frequently a liability when he was on the court, especially on the defensive end. So it is understandable that he would log a lot of time on the bench in conference play. But the puzzling fact was that he still averaged less than 10 minutes a game in the non-conference season. One of the less noted consequences of the brutal pre-conference schedule that Izzo lined up is that it reduced the minutes available for guys like Payne to play and get experience without jeopardizing a win or a comeback. MSU had four blowout wins in the non-conference and those were the games where Payne saw the most time. In the other 8 games Payne only logged 7 minutes per game.

In the review of Keith Appling's season I looked back at an earlier post that did a midseason assessment of how the two freshmen were doing. Based on the data referenced there, we would have expected Payne to have averaged somewhere around 13 minutes, 22% possession percentage and a 100 offensive rating, keeping in mind, of course, that each situation is different and that freshman big men struggle more than other position players to make an immediate impact. Nonethless, it's probably fair to call Payne's actual numbers (9 mpg, 19% usage, 89.5 ORtg) something of a disappointment, whether the disappointment is in Payne's performance or Izzo's handling of him. There were some bright spots, as we'll look at shortly, but Payne will need to take a major step forward to be the player many hoped he would be by his sophomore season.


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Adreian Payne and Tom Izzo

Defense was definitely a major factor in limiting Payne's on-court time. Payne often found himself in no-man's-land trying to master the complex hedges and switches required by Izzo's defensive schemes. His lack of experience against more seasoned post players of similar size also hurt him, although he did have some impressive showings, most notably against former All-Ohio Red AAU teammate Jared Sullinger, whom Payne helped limit to 11 points in their matchup in Columbus.

This brings up another word often heard in discussions of Payne: focus. He is sometimes criticized, unfairly, I think, for needing a "motor" or taking plays off. When you look at his background, it's clear he hasn't had an easy path and knows how to work. But when he's struggling with the X's and O's, he starts to seem tentative and uncertain and to lose focus. This may be why he seems to be the player Izzo spends the most time with during timeouts, which has been the focus of some recent internet snark.

While the half-court game may bring out the primary challenges Payne faces, he seems to be at his best when he's playing naturally and can let his athleticism shine, most often in transition or battling under the basket. He was a terrific shot-blocker, easily the best on the team at a tremendous 9.9%, meaning that he blocked roughly 1 out of every 10 2-point shots taken while he was on the floor. If he'd been able to maintain that percentage while playing more minutes, he would have been second only to Dallas Lauderdale in the Big Ten. He was also a very solid rebounder, 2nd on the team in both offensive (to Nix) and defensive (to Green) rebounding percentages, at 11.8% and 16.8% respectively. That translates to 10 boards per 40 minutes (4 offensive and 6 defensive). Once again, it's easy to imagine great things for him with more minutes, say occasional double-doubles with a handful of blocks. If he can add the strength that was missing due to his offseason shoulder surgery and, perhaps more importantly, develop a greater comfort level with his role in Izzo's defense, his shot-blocking and rebounding alone will be enough to make him an asset on the floor.

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - MARCH 10:  Adreian Payne #5 of the Michigan State Spartans attempts a shot against Melsahn Basabe #1 and Matt Gatens #5 of the Iowa Hawkeyes during the first round of the 2011 Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament at Conseco Fieldhouse on March 10, 2011 in Indianapolis, Indiana. Michigan State won 66-61. (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

It was on the offensive end that the numbers and eyeballs agreed on Payne: he seemed to find his game and get more comfortable as the season went on. And although three straight scoreless tournament games dropped him below the Mendoza line of 90 in offensive rating for the year, he was basically on an upward trend toward the end of conference play. Here's visual confirmation:

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In addition to his offensive rebounding, Payne helped himself by getting to the line a lot. His free-throw rate (FTA/FGA) of 48.6 was behind only Nix and Roe. He'll need to do a better job taking advantage of those opportunities: his 49% free-throw shooting was better than only Sherman on the team. Presumably that is another area he can target in his summer preparation.

The big area of potential improvement for Payne is his post play in general, from his under-the-basket moves to his decision-making. Right now he gets a lot of his points from put-backs or broken plays, but he hasn't developed, that I have seen, a "go-to" move or moves around the basket. And he tends to be a bit of a black hole in the paint: the ball goes in and never comes out again. He's not a strong passer out of the post yet and he somehow managed an assist rate even lower than Durrell Summers - Payne only had 5 assists all year (1 in conference play) against 21 turnovers. It's safe to say he probably needs to improve his decision making when he gets the ball.

So if there's anyone who seems like he has a lot to gain from an intense offseason, something he missed last year, it's Payne. Number one, he'll be looking to just work on his game on both ends. Perhaps the projected Canadian tour will give him a the chance to log some of the minutes against live competition that he may have missed this season. Other than that, we assume he'll be a fixture in the weight room, trying to add strength and size to his undeniable athleticism.

With the Spartans losing only Sherman from the frontcourt and adding Gauna it may not be as critical to the team's success that Payne take a step forward as it is that, say, Keith Appling does. But when you consider what a much-improved season from Payne could mean in terms of offensive improvement - post scoring, matchup problems for opponents, creating open looks outside for Appling, Russell Byrd and Travis Trice - it's hard not to feel that developing Payne's game should be high on the list of Izzo's off-season priorites.

The key thing to look for with Payne next year will be, of course, minutes. If he's getting the minutes that will show that not only is he gaining valuable experience but he's become competent enough on defense to avoid being a liability. Also, look for a 2-point field goal percentage of at least 50% or, hopefully, higher. That will be an indication that he's improved either his post game, his offensive decision-making or both. Finally, even a modest improvement in his assist and turnover rates will keep defenses a little more honest against him. The rebounding and shot-blocking should take care of themselves. We'll let Tom Izzo have the last word: "He just needs reps, he needs a great summer of lifting and shooting and (Payne) goes from an average player I think to a phenomenal sophomore year. I really think he has an upside that is off the charts."

[This is part of a series of posts on the major players from the past season and players we'll see for the first time in the coming year. Not all of them will be as extensive as this one. If you like this kind of thing it's available in bite-sized chunks by following me on Twitter: @connertp.]

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I have been an advocate of dialing back the non-conference schedule for the very reasons you pointed out. While not a fan of scheduling a bunch of cupcakes, some early season games against decent, mid-level teams would give new players time to develop before the brutal Big Ten games, help to determine a rotation, build some chemistry and confidence, and would make it less likely that players would wear down early in the season from playing too many minutes. I know the big name games draw the attention of recruits, and we should schedule a few each year, but I can’t believe they are much of an enticement when many of them end up as lopsided losses. If Izzo’s philosophy is to build up to be ready for March, I think we would be better off taking a moderated approach.

by donaldo on Apr 13, 2011 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

To be fair

Izzo did try to do that to some extent. Both Texas and UConn started the season out of the top 25. It would seem like the best of both worlds with marquee brands in a slightly down year. Of course then it turned out neither was down at all.

by steinfi2 on Apr 13, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Izzo scheduled this thinking...

…he had lots of senior talent, a deep and talented backcourt, great incoming freshmen class, and he never liked the entitlement that this group carried with them most of their college careers. So at the time the schedule was made, he had every reason to challenge these guys to the fullest extent. Then things just fell apart as the wagon went down the road.

by spartyCPA on Apr 13, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

When I looked at the schedule intially, I saw it as a incredibly positive opportunity for this “championship-or-bust” team to prove itself, having no idea that the injuries, dismissals, and other distractions would have the effect that they ultimately did.

I think next years non-con sched doesnt’ look quite as brutal, but it could still be a lot of a young inexperienced team to handle. Who knows, though I was wrong last year, so maybe I’ll be wrong in a good way this year?

by StickyGreen on Apr 13, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

good piece

Here’s hoping he has a great summer and figures things out. I think his development is probably the most important factor in determining how successful next year’s team will be. The lack of strength was an issue, but less than the inability to grasp basic defensive principles. I hope he’s not another Marquise Gray, who never quite figures it out.

On offense, with Green’s ability to feed the post, with his length, there is no reason he can’t be in double figures. If he develops that 12 foot jump shot, he is much more of a threat than either Nix or Roe. In sum, the issue is his general court savvy and defense.

I agree that the tough scheduling needs to be dialed back a bit, particularly with the very young team next year. I just don’t see the benefits of getting clobbered on national TV every year before Christmas, now that MSU does not need the national exposure. Plus, the traveling results in less practice time, which always seems to be a problem. The game on the carrier strikes me as just hubris on Izzo’s part. Maybe good for short term publicity, but not good in basic basketball terms.

by Anderlecht on Apr 13, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Payne and the black hole

Your assist number makes sense. Just recalling from watching, Payne appeared to fall into the trap of forcing plays because of limited minutes and MSU’s lack of feeding the post. If he was fortunate enough to receive the ball in decent position, it was not coming out. Payne was going to work until he found a shot attempt and often this led to bad-ish shots. Curious if that’ll change next year.

"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors

by intrpdtrvlr on Apr 13, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Just a bet...

It might not change, but it most assuredly will be discussed in depth between March and November. The rest is up to AP.

by spartyCPA on Apr 13, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

AP where are you?

I don’t expect AP to leap up to Perry Jones status this season, but he certainly has the talent to be better than Jajuan Johnson in a couple of years by working on the points you mentioned. It will remain a big uncertainty for now, but I will be concerned if he comes in next season without visible improvements in the points you mentioned above, his body, mental aspects/decision making, and fundamentals. I do think we will see vast improvements from AP, that although he may not be perfect in just one offseason, he will leave us with our jaws dropped many times next season.

by spartyCPA on Apr 13, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I expect

10 points and 6 rebounds from Payne next year. Anything less is a disappointment.

by Loneytunes on Apr 13, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upward Trend

I do think towards the end of the year Payne showed a whole lot of improvement. He didn’t look lost on defense and was starting to gain confidence on offense. The Iowa game in the B10 tourney sticks out the most for me as he got off to a great start and then got in foul trouble I believe which limited his minutes in that game.

Hopefully Green will take him under his wing this summer and show him how to work in the offseason and he can make a jump similar to what Green made from his frosh to soph years.

I agree with Izzo his upside is off the charts. Their aren’t to many 6’10" kids with a 7’ wing span and his athleticisim in college basketball. If he develops a 12’ jumper like someone else suggested so he can face up to the basket as well he could be deadly on offense. I think he’ll be fine on defense with an offseason of work, gains a better understanding of the system, stops thinking so much and just lets his athleticism take over he’ll be a very good defender if not a great one.

Freshman to Sophmore year is usually when you see the biggest jump from college bball players and if Appling and Payne take a big step forward I like our chances in the B10 next year.

by MSUMC25 on Apr 13, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Floor & Ceiling

Of all the players at MSU in recent memory, I cannot think of anyone who has a bigger disparity between his potential floor and ceiling in terms of the type of player he will become. Seriously, by the time he’s a senior he could be a potential B10 Player of the Year and All-American, similar to or better than Jajuan Johnson. On the other hand, if he’s not able to put it together, his career could more closely resemble Marquise Gray’s: a talented big with tons of athleticism that never found consistent production or playing time at MSU. I for one am fascinated by the potential for AP’s career and, like others have mentioned, will be watching intently to see what kind of improvements he makes in the offseason.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Apr 13, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

not to get into this again

but the thing that scares me most is Dwayne Stephens. I already think he needs to be done, but if he turns around Payne and Nix it’ll validate him. Here’s hopin’

by Loneytunes on Apr 13, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Coach

He needs more reps.
He can certainly be good on both ends, potentially great on defense.
Regarding his defensive lapses, why give him so much to do?
He blocks and/or alters shots well. Just let him guard his area and not have to step out to the 3pt line .
Why does this have to be so hard, it’s not football.
Nurture the skills he has instead of forcing him to do something he can’t.

"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar

by spartyball on Apr 13, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm optimistic about his development

mostly because he had the shoulder injury and couldn’t work on his game much coming in this year. With a healthy off season to work on post moves, defense, and his shot he could be a solid player next year. I don’t mind too much if a center doesn’t dish many assists – if you get the guy the ball in a good spot, he should be looking to score. I would like to see him cut down on the turnover rate, and if he’s facing constant double teams (which would be a good sign, because it would mean he’s turned into an offensive threat) he needs to know when to pass out of them and where.

Bottom line is that if he can get his free throw shooting percentage up near 70 percent, and shave a healthy percentage off his turnover rate, that alone would make him a positive offensive contributor. He’s already towing his share of the load on the boards. The shot-blocking percentage shows he’s at least focussed on defense, if not quite fully prepared yet. Plus, he needs to get stronger. He’s not that far away, and given that his ability to work on his game was limited by injury coming in, it’s reasonable to expect a pretty significant jump in performance next year.

by TheCrestedHelm on Apr 14, 2011 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't leave me hangin!!!

I need another “Review and Preview” to get me through the week!!!!!!

You guys are great, keep up the hardwork in the downseason.

by spartyCPA on Apr 18, 2011 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

while we're waiting

Let’s guess who the next article is on.. I say Draymond.

And btw great work guys, very appreciated

by stankyleg on Apr 18, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good idea

I figure he will either start with incoming freshman/redshirts or seniors and work back from their, he kind of started inthe middle with the biggest variables, I think he will continue to discuss the most variable of players, so that leaves either Austin Thornton or Derrick Nix if he follows his current trend. Roe and Green are fairly predictable at this point as to what you are going to get from each of them and what their role will be, not as much analysis or discussion compared to some of these other fellas.

But i am hoping they post something soon. I assume someone out their empathizes???

by spartyCPA on Apr 19, 2011 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

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