Michigan State Basketball Recruits at the Spiece Run-N-Slam
This weekend, Spiece Fieldhouse in Ft. Wayne was host to the Bill Hensley Memorial Run-N-Slam Classic. It's one of the biggest early AAU showcases in the Midwest and the list of Michigan State relevant players who showed up would be too cumbersome to type in its entirety. What follows is a collection of the reports (mostly free) coming out of the weekend about who played well, which players grabbed attention, and what's being said about Michigan State. There's a few notes from elsewhere as well.
One of the most enjoyable players to watch the coverage of was Denzel Valentine. It seemed clear that numerous scouts and analysts were struggling with exactly what to make of his versatile game. In his first take, Dave Telep commented that Valentine "aint pretty but manages to get a lot done." Later, he offered up a more flattering appraisal saying that "after Kyle Anderson, Denzel Valentine is the next most unique player in the class. Passes, blue collar. Plays a PG guards a SF." Comments that DV, at 6'5", can play like a point guard while exhibiting a blue collar attitude are enough to get me looking forward to his arrival in East Lansing. Also, if you're afraid Valentine is all court smarts and no quickness and athleticism, check out his recognition for the "Play of the Day" over at Five-Star Basketball on a steal and breakaway dunk.
More notes after the jump...
Let me get this valuable link out there: Eric Bossi has a great free rundown of Day Two with names like Jabari Parker, Matt Costello, Denzel Valentine ("a crafty guy who really knows how to play...he grows on you") and others. His piece will give you a lot of quick hits on players on the MSU radar including Costello's effective inside/outside ability. Bossi mentions that you can put a thinned-out, more explosive Jabari Parker thick into the talk about best player in the 2013 class. I've said this in the comments but my two cents is that MSU fans should be patient with the Parker recruitment. Duke is Duke and Washington has strong connections to Parker's family but everything suggests that this will be a long-haul process. As this point, MSU is actively and aggressively involved and probably in as good of shape as most schools after Jabari. Just as this summer will be all about Gary Harris, Izzo may be able to laser his focus on Parker next year.
Bonus link: Who likes dunks? I do! I do!
One of the stories of the weekend was two more 2013 players claiming Michigan State offers. What constitutes an offer and who has an open door to commit often have their truth in a gray area. Caveats aside, Byron Zeigler, a tall wing from Detroit Community, now states MSU amongst the schools who have offered him a scholarship. Zeigler made a good impression at the event and is still gaining bulk to his frame. Also, as Con-T passed along from Eric Bossi of Rivals, Tony Farmer, another big wing from the Cleveland area, boasts MSU on his list of offers. If Coach Izzo is interested in a lengthy wing player for 2013, they're both names to watch along with Steven Haney Jr. and James Young.
Derrick Walton got a lot of press with most observers recognizing him as a talented pass-first true point guard possessing great court vision. Despite getting attention for his distribution skills, the Scout services caught him on Day Two ($) and saw Walton get hot from outside.
Talk like this is why the Grand Rapids Christian guard is being considered as a potential five-star recruit for the 2014 class. He's in the mix to be the state's highest ranked perimeter player in some time. This is the guy that people like Tom Izzo, John Beilein, and Tom Crean will be hot after, if not Roy Williams, Bill Self, and those type of names too. Here is a slightly older write-up from last month's Spring Showdown that mentions Drake's productive spring.
The word on Kenny Kaminski continues to be shooter, shooter, shooter. If you didn't catch it, he was featured on ESPN's website last month and called "probably the best pick-and-pop player in the 2012 class thanks to his tremendous shot with range to 22 feet" for his play at the King James. At Spiece, he continued to hits shots, knocking down four treys on Friday for All-Ohio Red. His shooting was so good that Evan Daniels of Scout noticed from a whole court away and took the information to twitter. Either KK's shooting is effective enough to turn heads or Daniels has eyes in strange places.
There are times when it's good to be a chubby 30 year-old with a six inch vertical and live anonymously. For young, athletic Gary Harris, the scrutiny over his college destination has continued and he's handled himself with grace in numerous interviews. The Bloomington Herald-Times grabbed him recently and did an audio interview where they asked him about pressure from his Indiana-committed friends to join them in Bloomington. This came after appearing for a full on-air interview on The Fan in Indianapolis. It sounds like his interviews have become a little meta, asking about the issues around his recruitment as much as his college interest itself. Harris tweaked his ankle at Spiece but it appears to be no big deal.
Trevon Bluiett, a 6'5" wing forward from Indianapolis, had a good weekend, getting a "who's that guy" reaction from at least one local coach. According to Peegs, the Indiana Rivals man, Bluiett was at one point "stealing the show here. Has hit three straight from beyond the arc." Bluiett is another long guard but, as a member of the 2014 class, he may not suffer from the same scholarship crunch as the 2013 wings.
Here's a link with more Scout coverage on Gary Harris, Drake Harris, and even E.C. Matthews of Romulus amongst others. Matthews, a 2013 player to watch, got this short write-up:
One of the more unique prospects of the day, Matthews, a 6-foot-3 guard, showed an impressive all around skill set against the Spiece 16’s. He spent majority of the game playing on the ball and pushed the ball when he had the opportunity. He’s at his best when he can make plays in the open court, as he has good vision and is a talented passer.
There should be more coverage as sites write reports over the next couple days and I'll add links to the thread while it's on the frontpage. I know that MichiganPrepStars took a lot of video at Spiece and I specifically asked him about some footage on Kenny Kaminski, who I think I've seen the least of out of all of Michigan State's commits. It's in the works.
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nice work!
will DV play pg for us? or a 2/3 spot more 6-5 is a tall point. i know his espn profile says wing.
That's a good question
I’m always a little cautious because it’s popular scouting move to take a talented 6’2-6’5" wing player with good court awareness and say “he could play point guard!” It’s a value-added idea that doesn’t always (often?) materialize, either because that player doesn’t really have those skills or because it doesn’t make sense to play him there.
That said, could Valentine play point guard at MSU? I would think so. If Draymond Green can be used to initiate our offense, so could DV. People have talked about Brandan Kearney as a viable PG and I have to imagine it’s even more true of Denzel Valentine. The “will he” is different. Izzo is going to have a very versatile team and I think it’ll depend on who makes sense where. Will it ever make sense to take Appling, Trice, and a 2013 PG all off the floor at the same time and hand the controls to Valentine? Hard to say.
If nothing else, guys like Kearney and Valentine should be significant improvements over Chris Allen, our last “emergency” PG.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
sounds good to me
if he can play point/bring ball up court there would be some interesting “big” linups MSU could go with.
Another opinion, tbone
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6513791
Adam Woodbury is the major contributor with Telep on this one and he says:
Every class has its share of unique talents. Valentine, along with Kyle Anderson (Paterson, N.J./St. Anthony) are two of the 2012 classes more versatile players. Valentine’s usefulness at Michigan State be measured until practice starts and Tom Izzo can see with his own eyes where Valentine’s size, basketball ability and hoops IQ fit in with the Spartans. If he proves he can handle ball pressure, don’t be surprised to see him morph into a point on offense who guards small forwards on the other end.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Even besides the "emergency PG" role...
It’ll be nice to have some SG’s and SF’s with both size AND excellent ball handling skills for a change. It’s been a while. Off the top of my head, it’s probably been since Alan Anderson.
by LickSplickidy on May 9, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave Telep apparently didn't "learn anything" about MSU targets
but he did comment on Purdue and Indiana and the risk of some many early commitments. If you’re nervous about the 2012 guys (don’t be!), imagine how those fanbases might feel with 2013 and 2014 players already committed. I’m happy Izzo is playing things slower than that, Jabari Parker excepted.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6514382
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
I haven’t noticed much trepidation with the overly-optimistic Purdue crowd, but I think there is reason for concern there. They have a few guys on the roster now that don’t seem like Big Ten-level players and the opportunity for that only increases with early commits. That being said, I don’t think Painter always wants to do it this way – the Moore/Johnson/Hummel/Martin class all committed in the summer before their senior year – but I think he’s pressured by Crean’s go-for-broke/buy-time-for-my-job recruiting push.
by SpartanBoiler on May 9, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Drake Harris
I’ve read that he grew up a Michigan State fan…..
Even though that doesn’t have the greatest impact it still puts us in good position
Why are we going after wings??
It seems to me that we will be loaded at the wing position in 2013 with Appling, Byrd, Anderson, Kearney, Dawson, Valentine, and potentially (Hopefully!) Harris. Izzo must be planning on some of them leaving for the NBA if we are offering two more 6’6"ish players. I would think we would be trying to get a big to replace Nix and maybe one of the 4 star PGs in MI (Walton, Tucker, Watts, Morris). I bet by then we will have more than two of the scholarships originally known for that class, most likely by someone heading to the NBA early.
Does anybody still buy posters?
So apparently Kaminski is blowin up on youtube for the wrong reasons. I haven’t seen it but shouldn’t we be calling it “twit pic’ed” or something instead of posterized when somebody gets dunked on? Also, you know it must’ve been bad when the site that covers your team is mentioning it.
It’s reasons like that though that I think we need to find an athletic big for one of the spots in ‘13. I’m sure that’ll be the case if Payne is 3 and out but if the rumors of offers are true then Coach Izzo seems to be lining up plan B’s for Parker.
I do wonder if PG is not as big a priority for ’13 anymore. If Harris signs and nobody leaves early or txfrs I think that would leave just one scholarship open.
Good Work Josh!
"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar
Oh, Kaminski
Like I said on twitter, I’ll give Kenny credit for contesting the dunk instead of backing away from contact. That’s my spin anyway! It is but one swipe of the sword in what is going to be a long war between these teams. I can see why IU fans are relishing this play but it’s not really a huge deal. It probably stings a little that KK turned them down before everyone and his brother started committing to Indiana.
I agree about the PG situation. I’m wondering if, with Appling (Sr.), Trice (Jr.) plus Kearney/Valentine, Izzo is open to skipping a 2013 point guard. It’s not so much the need factor but the quality in-state players. Izzo must be confident if he decides to pass on all those guys.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
It is a fertile year for PG's
You never want to get in the habit of letting good talent get away but the position seems to be covered. Even Anderson will have to develop some PG skills for an NBA future.
Maybe Coach Izzo can talk one of the smaller kids like Tucker into prep schooling for a year or something and get him in ’14.
"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar
Haha, have you been hanging around Indiana fans?
You’re speaking their language.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
I was just joking(mostly)
I do like to read Inside the Hall though. They do a good job staying on top of Indiana bball year round.
I respect that.
"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar
by spartyball on May 9, 2011 10:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's a 4 Star
And in the Rivals top 100 now
by That Guy Green on May 10, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Don;t think so
Unless you have inside info, Rivals hasn’t updated their 150 since Aug 2010, hopefully hes in there when its updated, but as of today hes not
by Maceo Baston on May 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
derp
He is top 100 my mistake.
by Maceo Baston on May 10, 2011 6:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
More on Denzel Valentine
I’m not exactly sure if this is going to remain free but for now here it is:
http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1220439
“Old man game.” Haha.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Why will he be hotly debated?
Are they saying people don’t like smart versatile players? Frankly we dont need another explosive athlete, we already have Anderson, Dawson, Kearney, Appling, and hopefully well add Harris.
I know what he's talking about
In my earlier post on the King James I said that Valentine never seems to be in a hurry on the court. I guess you could describe that as an “old man’s game”, like that guy in his 40s at the Y who wears two knee braces but still seems to control the game. As Bossi says, it’s probably not appealing to everybody who’s going to watch 15-17-year olds play. But the prospect of adding somebody with that level of maturity and confidence on the court does appeal to me, especially when you consider how young the team is going to be after Green and Roe depart.
Yeah, that sounds right.
It’s an issue where you wouldn’t want three or four Denzel’s in the line-up at a time but one or two is great. Izzo is not only bringing in great players but players with roles and complimentary skills.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
The "Draymond Green of the wing" description....
is sounding more and more accurate by the day.
And my response to that: YES PLEASE.
by LickSplickidy on May 10, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, I was going to pull for a poor man's Evan Turner.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Nice work
I always appreciate these recruiting round up articles
A new name for 2013
Demetrius Jackson, 6’1" guard from Mishawaka, was apparently very good in Ft. Wayne and drawing Big Ten attention. His coach think he’s close to an offer from Michigan.
The article says MSU as called him but I wouldn’t overreact to that. Programs like MSU contact many players who they never end up recruiting in earnest. Wait and see.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors

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