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Scouting Michigan State basketball players in Lansing's Moneyball Pro-Am

Derrick Nix tries to get position to rebound during the Moneyball Pro-Am at Lansing Sexton July 10. Photo: Patrick Hayes

For basketball fans in the Lansing area who can't wait for the season to start, you're in luck. There are still a couple of weekends left in the annual Lansing Moneyball Pro-Am League.

This year's league, organized by former Lansing Everett star and NBA player Desmond Ferguson, features current Michigan State players Draymond Green, Derrick Nix, Keith Appling (although he's been away with Team USA), Adriean Payne, Dwaun Anderson, Branden Dawson, Brandan Kearney, Travis Trice, Alex Gauna and Brandon Wood. There are also a few former Spartans on rosters — Charlie Bell, Marquise Gray and Kelvin Torbert — and a collection of college players from Central Michigan, Oakland University, Toledo and University of Detroit, among others, and several guys currently playing professionally overseas.

In short, it's a high level of competition with games Saturdays and Sundays at Lansing Sexton High School through Aug. 7. Check the website for rosters and game times. Admission is free.

Intrpdtrvlr and I were there Saturday and Sunday (respectively) checking out the action. Not all of the MSU guys played this weekend, but below are our scouting reports on who saw action.

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Draymond Green

Intrpdtrvlr: Draymond has proven himself enough that there wasn’t much I was going to seriously "scout" about him in this one game.  He did make the undisputed play of the day in a 2TO victory for his squad.  Throughout the match-up, Day Day’s shot was not falling from anywhere, be it the free throw line or 3pt territory.  He was clearly frustrated at struggling in a game where he should have been the unequivocal best player on the court.  He finally got an open path in the lane, only to be confronted by Detroit-Mercy’s LaMarcus Lowe, a shot-blocking force who had double-digit swats that afternoon.  Draymond elevated with one hand up and viciously slammed the ball on top of Lowe.   Normally, I think of Green’s finishes as skilled and technical but this was a jam of angry catharsis that I don’t see often from him at MSU.  The play brought the house to its feet and filled the air with hollers and cheers.  It was so wild that even LaMarcus Lowe went back down the court with a smile on his face. Quite the moment.

Branden Dawson

Patrick Hayes: I have to be honest here: I really try not to get overly excited about young players, even very highly recruited ones like Dawson. After watching him Sunday, it's hard not to think he will be able to make an impact immediately at MSU. The first thing that stands out is his build. He's a legit 6-foot-6 (I won't say who, but let's just say a couple other guys appeared nowhere near their listed heights up close), but more impressively, he's already muscular. He definitely didn't look like a guy who is fresh out of high school.

His athleticism is well-known to those who have followed his high school career. He's long, fast and can jump, and he showed all of those tools. But what really stood out to me were his hands. In the first quarter of his game Sunday, a guard attempted a lob to him but botched the pass. Dawson jumped, saw the pass was off, landed and then quickly jumped again, caught the ball as it caromed off the backboard and still finished with a dunk. He was actively moving without the ball, cutting to the basket and his guards were finding him with passes that were too high and too low and every time, it seemed, Dawson was able to adjust, make the catch and usually finish.

He also showed off a nice post game. The opposing team had to guard him with smaller players and Dawson frequently sat up on the block, got good position, made quick moves and scored. He appeared equally comfortable playing inside or handling the ball on the perimeter, although his jumper and ball-handling were the definite areas he'll need to shore up before the season.

Intrpdtrvlr: This was my first time seeing any of the incoming freshmen in person so it’s very different to be 15 feet away from someone (beauty of MoneyBall) as opposed to watching a YouTube video.  I had the same reaction as Patrick: Dawson definitely passes the look test.  With a muscular physique and long frame, he’s simply bigger and badder looking than most of the other players on the court.  I’d say he’s almost the exact same height has Draymond Green in the neighborhood of 6'6".  I can definitely buy this guy as a professional athlete and 2013 NBA Draft pick. 

As I mentioned on twitter, the best surprise of the game I watched was impressive passing and a good court sense for finding open teammates.  Even in the loose format of the MoneyBall exhibitions, this was a trait that Dawson was able to demonstrate on a few occasions putting out something extra with a no-look.  His exhibition was a back and forth, 2OT epic so elements like this had to sneak out with no opportunity for he and Day Day to dominate.  In addition, Dawson nailed one fall away jumpshot that showed promising form and he won his team’s game by catching and scoring a lob at the buzzer. 

Derrick Nix

Patrick Hayes: It's becoming a yearly ritual to discuss Nix's weight loss efforts, but he looked easily the lightest he's been at MSU. He appears to have worked on his body and conditioning quite a bit. Pro-Am games are up and down, and though Nix was the biggest guy on the court in his game, he didn't seem to labor or lag behind the smaller and faster athletes he was playing against.

He flashed some decent post moves and improved footwork, though his repertoire around the basket is still a bit unorthodox. It worked against the smaller players guarding him Sunday.

I was most impressed with his defense, though. Let's face it: offense isn't what is going to earn Nix consistent minutes. If he can't defend or rebound, he's going to face up and down minutes once again. He actually looks like he's made strides. He was unafraid to switch onto perimeter, twice even switching out and manning up lightning quick Central Michigan wing Trey Zeigler.

Intrpdtrvlr: I’ve heard Nix has put together some excellent performances at MoneyBall so I offer the caveat that this is only one person’s opinion about one day of one exhibition event.  The best and worse parts of Nix’s game were on display Saturday.

For the positive side, he has an authoritative, confident approach to post offense that hasn’t always been present in MSU bigs.  On multiple occasions, Nix would challenge his man, back him down with strength, and use an impressive arsenal of footwork and pivots to get right to the basket.  At this point, it would fall apart.

What I thought was Nix’s major freshman year challenge re-appeared.  Only inches from the hoop, he would repeatedly miss the final lay-up.  Nix must have left 10 or 12 points on the table from not being able to put the ball in after earning himself great position and an easy look.  I recognized Nix's physical improvement but had a different reaction than Patrick.  I thought that Nix still needs to work to look like the player from last year’s team pictures. 

Brandan Kearney

Intrpdtrvlr: Overall, Kearney was the bright spot on Saturday out of the MSU incoming players in action.  He was aggressive and active (his buzz word) shooting the ball.  Not always needing a wide-open setup, he made moves to get just enough separation and knocked home many midrange shots with no touch to the rim.  Kearney had one particularly nice run in the second half when he scored on multiple possessions in only a couple of minutes.  

Brandan also did the other things that have given him the reputation for versatility.  He made solid attempts to box out on defense rebounds and charged to the lane to get his hands on his own teammates’ misses.  On defense, Kearney resurrected the post presence he used to pester Matt Costello in the state playoffs.  He does all this while being 6’5” and undeniably skinny.  Still, he absolutely looked like a basketball player in this game. 

Patrick Hayes: Of the three freshman wings coming in — Kearney, Dawson and Anderson — Kearney appears to need the most time in the weight room. He's long, skilled and athletic, but could use a little extra weight on his frame to help him defensively.

That said, he still showed the unselfish and heady play that made him a standout in high school. The knock on Kearney is that he's too unselfish at times and doesn't look for his own shot enough. That might actually serve him well at MSU, though. Anderson and Dawson were scoring stars who always looked for their shots in high school who will have to adjust to being role players initially in college. Kearney is already comfortable in that regard.

It would be nice to see him more aggressive, but his strengths are along the baseline. He moved really well without the ball, used screens effectively and had a few really nice baseline jumpers on quick catch and shoots. His ball-handling and passing were solid too.

Dwaun Anderson

Patrick Hayes: Anderson, who played at the small Sutton's Bay in high school, appears to have put on some muscle since I last saw him at the beginning of the high school season. Anderson was the most athletic player in Michigan as a senior, and his highlight reel capabilities are what helped earn him high major attention. He didn't get much of a chance to show it Sunday as his opponents did an nice job of getting back defensively against him, he nearly hammered a dunk down late in the game but was grabbed and pulled out of the air before he could finish.

But although the highlights are nice, the quicker Anderson shows evolution in the other parts of his game, the quicker he'll earn minutes. His passing was really far along in the pro-am. Twice, he got a step on his defender and instead of going all the way to the basket, drew an extra defender and hit a cutting teammate with perfect bounce passes through traffic. Anderson's passing ability was underrated in high school because of his gaudy scoring numbers, but he really was an unselfish player who tried to setup teammates, and now that he's playing with high major college athletes who can finish more efficiently, expect him to get more assists.

Intrpdtrvlr: Dwaun had a rough game and never appeared to get comfortable on Saturday.  Some of the MoneyBall teams are organized out of players who know each other well and others are more cobbled together.  Anderson’s Team Black may have suffered from some chemistry issues that hindered their ability has a whole.  Kelvin Torbert and Charlie Bell’s “Flintstones” were beyond worthy opponents, too!  The offense didn’t naturally come Dwaun’s way and, unable to create an open look, he resorted to a series of fall-aways and contested jumpers that produced the likely result of predominantly misses.  He was also overshadowed some by the more experienced Trey Zeigler, who looked very skilled and composed to lead the offense.

To leave with something positive, Anderson never let up his effort even as the game slipped away from him.  He kept looking for teammates, going to the basket, and working on defense. 

Travis Trice

Intrpdtrvlr: Along with Kearney, I was really pleased with what I saw out of Travis Trice.  Small and quick, he is probably a naturally fast guy but his skills with the ball make him even more of a threat.  Trice has an impressive handle, dribbling very quickly straight ahead and using both hands and a combination of switches to move around the court with ease.

Trice is the sort of player you watch up close and recognize immediately as a real point guard.  He had a nice feel for the total court and made some crisp passes.  He’s a smaller player but he’s not what I would call even close to "scrawny."  Trice attacked the lane with confidence but his size hindered his ability to absorb contact and still score the basket.  However, he’s a tough guy to stay in front of and his willingness to take hits should make him valuable for drawing fouls and getting to the line.  I walked away even more convinced that Trice will be a legit contributor on Day One at MSU.

Patrick Hayes: My first thought looking at Trice was that he's too small. He looked tiny out there. Then the game started, and he was all over the court.

He's really quick with and without the ball from baseline to baseline. Three times in his game, he ran back defensively and deflected long outlet passes to cherry pickers that looked like they'd be easy breakaways. He has a nice, compact shooting stroke and was solid taking care of the ball.

He'll struggle defensively against bigger guards, but he did show a willingness to battle. He got caught in the post on one possession against the bigger Zeigler, got backed down some, but then came up with a strip.

Alex Gauna

Patrick Hayes: Gauna redshirted last season, but should factor into the big man picture this year with the transfer of Garrick Sherman. The good news is Gauna appears to have added more muscle. The last time I saw him play was at a high school All-Star Game last summer and while he was big for a high school player, he clearly was going to give up some strength to bigger college players.

I didn't see him in many post-up opportunities, but he was really good moving without the ball (two of Anderson's dump-off passes were on Gauna cuts), he finished effectively inside and, most importantly, he was active on the offensive glass. On one play, he split two defenders to get an offensive board on a free throw and tip it in.

Intrpdtrvlr: I did not see Gauna but reading Patrick's thoughts, I have to add a "Whoa, Gauna's gotten bigger?"  I had the luck to get some courtside end seats last season and, as the players passed me upon their exit, no one jumped out more (even Nix) than Gauna as a powerfully constructed guy.  He has some mean shoulders.  A more built Alex Gauna will be something to see.

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Agreed 100%

I enjoy football, but Im not a fanatic. Basketball… Im nuts. We need more basketball posts we’re more of a basketball school and anyone who says otherwise is frankly wrong. Until the football team matches the success we will never be a primarily football school, and I have no problem with that although I wouldnt mind a tandem lol.

Did anyone take video at this event?

by Loneytunes on Jul 12, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

Check the history book. We have 3 times more National Championships in Football than Basketball. Also until the Bres is expanded to seat 78,000 we are a football school. Where are the dollars coming from? Ask Izzo himself. He’ll tell you that football is and always will be the most important program on campus.

still love me some Izzo. Can’t get enough spartan sports.

by hawks22gk on Jul 12, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate this argument

We have had success combined with lots of history and tradition with both programs. Our fans support both at extremely high levels, based on attendance and enthusiasm. So, arguing whether we are a “Football School” or a “Basketball School” is pretty pointless, as I think it’s fair to say our history shows that we’re both.

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Jul 12, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree and you're wrong

I’m nuts about Spartan hoops too and I’m in dire need of more basketball posts but even I have to admit football rules the state of Michigan. From pee wee leagues on up, it’s a football state. Even our beloved bball coach is probably a bigger football fan than bball.
I wish we could get the kind of bball coverage that Indiana and Illinois provide for their schools and fans but I’m resigned to the fact that it won’t happen and I’m happy to get what we can.

Thanks to the guys at TOC that somehow find time to throw us hoop heads a bone or two.

"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar

by spartyball on Jul 12, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

man

and i was hoping for MORE football content!

id say like most major schools its probabaly a solid 50/50 split with the student body.

by tbone521 on Jul 12, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moneyball Format

Great stuff, guys. Couple questions about the format of these games: do the teams have coaches or do the players handle all the subbing and rotations themselves? 20 minute halves or some other setup? Refs?

Finally, any report on Payne?

"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher

by Ducking Delvon on Jul 11, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Moneyball

There are referees and they follow a pretty basic pro-style format of rules with 4 ten-minute quarters. When I saw the games, the refs were a non-factor in a good way. They did their job but didn’t get in the way. It’s an exhibition so play doesn’t get overly physical. People taking strong charges or other kinds of dangerous lane contact was pretty minimal.

Most teams have a coach but it’s not overly formal.

Payne wasn’t there when I watched and he must have been absent on Sunday too.

"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors

by intrpdtrvlr on Jul 11, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I forgot to add in the post ...

Speaking of charges, intrpdtrvlr is right that people aren’t taking charges in these games. But Branden Dawson tried one of the all-time worst flops during his game Sunday. I forget who the opposing player was, but it was a guard who was much smaller than Dawson. There was virtually no contact and Dawson sprawled on his back as if he’d just been run over by Nix or something. The refs just laughed at him as he looked around for the call.

by patrick_hayes on Jul 11, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the record

Green and Nix each took a solid charge during the game I saw but that was a rarity. I was really surprised; they hit the deck hard and could have gotten hurt.

"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors

by intrpdtrvlr on Jul 11, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

moneyball

Thanks! interesting stuff. Too bad about Nix, it sounds like more of the same. where does that leave MSU at the 5? Will Gauna, Nix and Payne share the minutes, or will one of the three really emerge? Or will Day Day play the 5 when it really matters?

by Anderlecht on Jul 11, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Day Day will NOT EVER play the 5 when it matters

He’s more likely to play the point when it really matters. My guess is that if Payne emerges we could see him at the 5, but I doubt Izzo will trust Gauna or Nix unless they suprise us in a big way. My best bet: Roe will play the 5 when it matters, with Green at the 4, Byrd/Dawson at the 3, Wood at the 2 and Appling at the 1.

by Loneytunes on Jul 12, 2011 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff guys

It’s always good to hear updates on these guys, especially the incoming freshman. It’s really too bad that Byrd is injured and can’t play.

by Stones1981 on Jul 11, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Great info

I hope you guys do this again in the future so we can get an idea of Brandon Wood’s future impact. I think he is going to be key for us this year in regards to guard play.

by JimmyB! on Jul 11, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the update

Nice to know all of the new guys have made it to Lansing.
From twitter I knew Wood, Dawson and BK have been there but had no word on Trice or Anderson.
Not much to take from meaningless “all-star” games but it’d be better if all of the current MSU players were on the same team or at least all of the new additions to develop some early chemistry.
I’ll contend that Nix can only help if he’s used on offense. He’s a good passer as well as a decent post up option. Depending on him for defense and rebounding is a waste of time for both parties.

Never good to hear about missed FT’s from Green no matter how meaningless the game is.

"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar

by spartyball on Jul 11, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

rules

There are ncaa rules in regards to how many division players can play of the same team together. No more than 2 players on the same division 1 team can play together unless they are freshmen or a transfer student. This is the reason why you cant have all the players on the same team.

by warrenbu08 on Jul 11, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was pretty sure it was something like that

That makes sense when you consider all of their other stupid NCAA rules that don’t make sense.
Players don’t gain anything from playing in these silly exhibitions other than a chance to get hurt.
No defense, no coaching and no Hightower to teach them how not to foul.

"the game is out there, and it's play or get played. That simple" - Omar

by spartyball on Jul 11, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its mostly used as tool to get some good competitive games in during the summer. There is a lot of good players playing in it. It is also used to help players get into a rhythm for the upcoming season.

by warrenbu08 on Jul 11, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree with you that a lot of the NCAA regulations are silly

But i disagree that there isn’t value in playing in these things, despite the lack of structure. Being on the court against the likes of Charlie Bell, Torbert, etc is a good experience for a young guy.

by trivialstuff16 on Jul 13, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I love hearing that these young guys are playing on the same court as a couple of four-year guys in Bell and Torbert who know how to put in work and prepare for pro ball. That’s got to be a positive environment.

Just curious, how do the older guys stack up against the kids? Is Bell a man among boys out there?

by TahoeSparty on Jul 11, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Bell is extremely tough and physical defensively, but doesn’t have the quickness to keep up with some of the young guys in a speed game. He’s more of a picks-his-spots, methodical player on offense and a guy who will beat his man up every time down on D.

by patrick_hayes on Jul 12, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Saturday

Offensively, Bell was hot and absolutely making guys pay by knocking down shots. The Flintstones ran circles around Dwaun Anderson and Trey Zeigler’s team.

"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors

by intrpdtrvlr on Jul 12, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Torbert and Bell

Young players are just not ready for the kind of physicality guards like Torbert and Bell play with. They push, fight, grab and are so crafty because of their professional experience, not to mention they’re way stronger than just about any guard playing in Moneyball.

I will add, though, that I’ve seen Bell when his jumper is not falling a few times the last couple summers, and it can get ugly. He’s really streaky on offense.

by patrick_hayes on Jul 12, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys

These scouting reports are interesting. I’ve always wondered just how different pro athletes are from the college guys.

by TahoeSparty on Jul 13, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

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