The 2011 Michigan State Spartan Defense and Special Teams -- Five Questions
The bookend to yesterday's piece, these five questions will be more opinion based than a couple of yesterday's questions. Dissent is not only accepted, it is encouraged.
5. Does it matter who the long snappers and holder are?
Short answer? Yes. Long answer -- in what frame of reference? I think we all know how good Aaron Bates was as the field goal holder last season. Likewise with Alex Shackleton's long snapping abilities. This year fith-year senior wide receiver Brad Sonntag will be the holder, and the long snapper will be either freshman Matt Giampapa or redshirt sophomore Steve Moore. Both are similar in size (6'2", 222 for Giampapa, 6'3", 223 for Moore).
I assume that the long snapping and holding will be slightly bumpier than last year, if only because the special teams work last year was so good. I'm just unsure what information can be gleaned by knowing that Giampapa and Moore are close in terms of ability, or that Sonntag's the holder. I know as fans we can be eager to divine any piece of information possible from the depth chart...but there's nothing to see here until we see them in the game. That Michigan State has a new holder and long snappers are news, but it doesn't matter who it is to me until I see them live.
4. So...how 'bout that Mike Sadler, eh? How well can he punt?
If he can do as little as hit his average from his senior year of high school two years ago, he'll be decent. Sadler averaged 39.9 yards a punt in 2009, and that average would have put him around 75th in the FBS last season. I don't think it's too much extrapolation to assume he'll add three yards to that average to put him at 42.9 yards a punt. That average would have put him at 33rd in the FBS.
How far a punt goes is only one side of the coin though; how high it goes is the other. While Aaron Bates had good distance on his punts his freshman and sophomore years, those balls were nearly line drives at times which allowed much of that yardage gained to be negated by the return. Mark Dantonio told Joe Rexrode a few weeks ago that Sadler has been getting about five seconds of hang time on his punts, and the only piece of information I could find to determine if five seconds was just good or extremely good is this kicking camp website which states that 4.5 seconds of hang time or better in college is optimal.
If Sadler can get a little over 40 yards a punt plus get close to five seconds of hang time per punt, the Spartans will be fine, trick plays not withstanding.
3. I know Max Bullough will do a good enough job at middle linebacker. How about the ones on the outside?
The depth chart for Youngstown State has only one linebacker without the dreaded "OR" next to his name, Max Bullough. Chris Norman is at the STAR, Steve Gardiner is at the SAM, and Denicos Allen is at both positions. IF you're wondering what the difference is, I believe the Sam is more focused on stopping the run while the STAR is the linebacker that drops into pass coverage if need be. I could also be very, very wrong on these assumptions, please correct me lest I make us all look like idiots.
ANYWAY, I assume Norman will eventually drop the "OR" next to his name, since all 11 starts among the linebackers belong to him. This leaves Gardiner and Allen to vie for the SAM spot, and if I had to guess, I'd say Allen wins the SAM spot. As for how they'll do? I think Norman will do a fine job, but Allen has a big hole to fill where Eric Gordon left. The good news is that Allen definitely has the speed (4.56 40, for what it's worth) to function in pass coverage. If Allen can prevent a disaster like the '09 Penn State game, aka Wheel Route-o-rama, the Spartans will be sound.
2. How much improvement can we expect out of the defensive line?
The defensive line returns 47 starts, more than any other unit on the defense. A caveat -- of those 47 starts, a little more than half (24 to be exact) belong to defensive tackle Jerel Worthy. Worthy has been dubbed a top ten draft pick in the NFL by way too many sites to list here, and this year he'll have the help he needs to give him a proper showcase. The other tackle, Anthony Rashad White, won the position in camp from Kevin Pickelman who has eight career starts, so logic dictates that White is an upgrade over Pickelman.
The defensive ends have the potential to cause night tremors in opposing quarterbacks. The only bit I'm confused by is how they're listed in the depth chart. The two biggest ends, William Gholston and Tyler Hoover, are both listed as co-starters in one spot, while Denzel Drone and Marcus Rush are listed as co-starters in the other. My best guess is that the defensive coaches want someone a little smaller and more explosive to act as a pass rusher, thus the discrepancy.
Let me return to the question -- Jerel Worthy should see a lot more single teams this season thanks to the emergence of Gholston and company. He should improve on his eight tackles for a loss and four sacks, and so should the defensive line into one of the top three in the Big Ten.
1. One side of the secondary will be solid with Johnny Adams and Trenton Robinson. Please tell me opponents won't be able to pass at will on the other side.
I'd like to? Johnny Adams and Trenton Robinson will provide solid coverage at one of the corners and free safety. Isaiah Lewis is the starter at strong safety over Kurtis Drummond and R.J. (nee Roger) Williamson...for now. Once Jairus Jones returns from an ACL injury he could very well take the starting spot from Lewis.
Darqueze Dennard started in place of Chris L. Rucker for two games when he was suspended, and his most memorable play for me is the opposite of Lewis's: his strip of Illini receiver A.J. Jenkins caused a turnover, and helped preserve a 26-6 MSU win over Illinois. I don't think he's going to be as good as Rucker was, as Rucker had a rare blend of size and athleticism at corner. He'll be better than the repurposed running backs MSU was running out during the John L. Smith era (no disrespect to Jeremy Langford).
I'm most curious to see how Tony Lippett does as the backup to Johnny Adams. Lippett had some great play in the spring game with one major brain fart. He let Keshawn Martin slip by him for a 30+ yard touchdown, which to be fair could've happened to half the starting corners in the Big Ten. I don't think he'll take Dennard's starting spot, but he'll be one to watch.
I don't think the secondary will be as good as it was last year, as the inexperience worries me. They'll be tried by fire, and by November, I believe they'll be able to come close to the quality of last year's secondary.
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Great post Pete!
Thanks for the update. Here’s to another great year. Go Green!
by G&W - The Only Way on Aug 31, 2011 7:44 AM CDT reply actions
The defintion...
….of star and sam is apparently just what MSU calls weakside and strongside, respectively. Both Norman and Allen are reputedly faster than Gordon or Jones, but Bullough is supposed to be a bit slower. Rexrode has talked up Bullough’s superior ability in pass coverage since seeing him in practice last year.
I haz dumb question
What determines weak side and strong side?
"The open threads on game days are like fevered dreams: Everyone is hammered and then shit gets burned." - Truffle Shuffle
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Aug 31, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
In a classic I-formation...
…strongside is the one with the TE. I’m less confident of my leftover from high school ball knowledge beyond that, but I think it’s always just the side of the center with the most offensive players, no matter their position.
by witless chum on Aug 31, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Excelsior!
Thank you sir! I’ve been wondering that for a long time now.
"The open threads on game days are like fevered dreams: Everyone is hammered and then shit gets burned." - Truffle Shuffle
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Aug 31, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Me...
I’ve always thought that weakside and strongside had to do with the ball position on the field. Strongside LB lines up on the wide side of the field (ie. the one with more open space) and conversely the weakside LB being on the short side with the more cramped space.
by LickSplickidy on Aug 31, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s how our corners are now listed under Coach D – Field or Boundary (FC/BC); Johnny Adams is our 1st string BC.
This makes a lot of sense
I never really thought about short side/long sides of the field.
"The open threads on game days are like fevered dreams: Everyone is hammered and then shit gets burned." - Truffle Shuffle
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Sep 1, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
We'll have the answer in about 30 hours
Someone will have to pay attention to whether Norman lines up on the short side of the field or the side with fewer offensive players.
"You can look at the dinosaur that weighs you down or you can look at the big pot of gold (and) try to say, 'You know what? I'm going to try to live up to expectations.' " -Tom Izzo, Iron Mountain Philosopher
by Ducking Delvon on Sep 1, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Long answer, but basically it all depends.
I asked a buddy who played college football about weak and strong side linebackers and he gave this response:
It depends on the formation the offense is in….. if it is a standard 2 running back set wtih a tight end it would go to the tight end. that is the running strenth as well as the passing strength. more blockers… more recievers on that side. Now say you have no backs and 5 wide. One side will have more than the other… you would call it to that side. If you have one back right behind the quarter back and two recievers on each side.. so it is a symetrically formation… most teams will call it to the wide side of the field in the case. Unless you have some knowlege like the quarterback only throws to the right on 3-5.
Where it gets really confusing is where you would have the running strength to one side of the ball and passing strenght to the other. So five lineman and a qb on pretty much every play… well now put a tight end and a running back on one side… then put 3 recievers on the other side. More inside blocking on the side with the TE. more passing threat to the other side. Unless your on the team there is no way to know what they will call the strength…. and it may change from week to week or even from quarter to quarter. And down to down. Say its 3rd and 1, they might call strength to the running side.. but if its 3rd and 7 they may call it to the 3 reciever side. the D cordinator will tell the linebackers what they want called based on whatever. They feel witll give them the best advantage. Sometimes you may have your D line and linebackers go to the running strenth but then move your DBs over the other way because there is mor recievers. So you will have a strong right call in the inside 6-7 guys and a pass left to the other side for the DBs.
basically moral of the story is…. “IT DEPENDS”
by clubhockey15 on Sep 1, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice post Pete
LB’s: Gardiner seems to be really gaining momentum and was the 1st one listed so I think he starts. Both should see lots of playing time based on match-ups. Allen is the more athletic one who I’d guess will see more time against spread teams, while Gardiner is the bigger more physical LB who’ll probably play more against running teams.
DL: I disagree with you here Pete as I don’t see teams doubling Jerel less. I have high hopes for the players surrounding him on the DL, but unless they are better than Worthy he’ll still draw most of the attention. Either way, there is a lot of talent here and this group has the potential to be very good. I’m a big fan of the depth we have here.
Secondary: I’m pretty sure Isiah Lewis was ahead of Jones even before he was hurt. I think we’ll have a pretty good starting group, but I do worry about depth here. There isn’t much proven talent at the back up positions.
I really think our defensive line can help take a lot of the pressure off the secondary
That pass rush has the potential to be suffocating. The linebackers, at first glance, look solid (although no one’s comparing them to Jones/Gordon anytime soon, and rightfully so). And I’m okay with a little inexperience on the back end thanks to the quality and depth up front.
This is likely a top-3 unit in the Big Ten, but top-5 is plenty fair for prediction’s sake. Now, if the offensive line can b a pleasant surprise…
Sonntag
Guy is a a pretty quick and shifty guy, and yes, was a quarterback in high school! Don’t think that Mark overlooked that aspect. Played for Nouvel CC in Saginaw, and took them to a state title a few years back. Pretty sure Blair was on the team back then too. He is a fifth year walk-on, opens for a nice story if he ever gets the chance.
Denicos Allen
I am actually really excited about him and think he will get a lot of burn out there.
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Dennard
I think Dennard is going to prove you wrong. People are going to flame me for this but I never thought Rucker great. I understand he was good enough to start and did some good things. But the consensus seems to be that he was a top tier corner and I disagree with that.
For a freshman Dennard looked good last year. Don’t forget he was thrown into the fire unexpectedly mid-season. I think he’s capable of being better than Rucker.
No flaming from me
I agree with you 100%
"The open threads on game days are like fevered dreams: Everyone is hammered and then shit gets burned." - Truffle Shuffle
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Sep 1, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I remembering....
…right that Dennard got beat on the play where he caught up and made the strip?
I think L. Rucker was a solid Big 10 starting corner, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Dennard surpassed him. He seems more athletic.

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