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The Wheels on the Bus Take Purdue Down and Down - MSU 83, Purdue 58

I’m not going to get much into the craziness going on with some of the rivalries in this game and crowd chants but I will say that, despite my friendly joking about Rick Mount, I respect Robbie Hummel and this was one of the few times I actually felt bad for an opposing player – not in an insulting, pitying sort of way, no – but watching Hummel exit East Lansing for the last time in a Purdue @ MSU game in what was for him and his team an absolute debacle was bittersweet. Good luck, Robbie, and see you in West Lafayette.

But let’s talk about the sweetness! For the second time this year, Michigan State really took apart a conference opponent at the Breslin. The final was 83-58 (statsheet boxscore here) and I would not have guessed this morning that the margin would exceed the previous two games. I’m going to cheat a little bit and rely on my own preview to do some analysis.

Point 1:
Robbie Hummel vs. Draymond Green
Green was awesome and pulled one basketball’s great tricks: to be effective and make plays for your team when only taking a limited amount of shots (credit Keith Appling with the same). On top of his 8 pts, he had 12 rebounds and 7 assists, leading the team in both. Hummel had a horrible night and his 0-11 performance from the field was only supplemented by 2 successful free throws. This one-on-one contest was a landslide.

Point 2:
Control the game by dominating in the post.
Derrick Nix did his best jumbo Green impression and reminded everyone who had forgotten what a valuable asset he is moving the ball out of the post. Statesheet only counts two assists but they were both excellent plays that required Nix to think fast and make the right pass accurately. He was also alert when receiving passes and took advantage of his junior year quickness to get the ball up without hesitation. After struggling with the offensive motion of both Northwestern and Purdue, Adreian Payne came back around for a better showing and didn't let defensive lapses keep him out of the game. The combined numbers for Aderrian Nipaynx were 21 pts (8 of 12), 7 rebs, 2 asts, and 1 block in 35 minutes. Not bad for the two-headed center beast. Purdue played small much of the game but the time spent for the Purdue post players Jacob Lawson, Travis Carroll, and Sandi Marcius was not memorable. Purdue never consistently addressed their shooting woes by going inside and those three players combined for only 3 shot attempts in 41 minutes. Again, landslide.

Point 3:
Get Dawson going.

I anticipated that the history between Izzo and Painter over recruiting Dawson might be an issue tonight and I guess I nailed that one. After a quiet first half, Dawson’s explosive performance helped turn a big win into a laugher. His 14 were a basket behind Branden's season high. I’m excited about the possibility of Trice and Dawson developing chemistry for more of those easy alley-oops. On top of the offensive glassman and dunker we know him to be, fans also caught hints of where Dawson can go. He hit his free throws, popped a beautiful jumpshot, and anticipated a pass for a breakaway steal. If all that becomes routine, Dawson turns into a monster. The trip to play at Purdue should be very interesting.

Less systematic analysis after the jump...

Star-divide

There were a few things to be less excited about. Rebounding in the first half was just mind-bogglingly awful. I thought Payne was particularly suspect, lacking any feel for where the ball was headed or the intuition to get to it. At one point, Purdue grabbed FOUR STRAIGHT offensive rebounds as Michigan State players hopped around futilely. Some of that is bad luck and bounces but certainly not all of it. There were plenty of other plays early on when MSU was outworked for rebounds or failed to be properly organized on a miss. The Four Factors has something to say on this as well:

Purdue won the offensive rebounding percentage going away by about 13 percentage pts. They normally grab around 33% but notched that up to 40% against an MSU team who typically gets over 72% of their defensive rebound opportunities. Tonight, MSU only corralled 60%. The number of Purdue misses should have helped MSU but it didn’t.

The dominance of the second half and the scoring run of the late first masked how bad MSU was in the first 15 minutes. This is food for debate but I’m in the camp who believes Purdue was affected by their travel problems. Before the game got out of control, Purdue was finding some solid looks. The MSU defense was just okay early but the Boilermakers could not hit anything. The column on the far left tells much of the story. Rough roads and little sleep probably worked in concert with the Spartan defense to make that happen.

A few other brief player notes:
Russell Byrd – I’m rooting for this guy. Even if it’s as a spot duty role player, I want to see Byrd have a productive career at MSU. He’s still getting most of his minutes at forward and my guess is that he has to work to get up to speed to be a consistent wing presence. If you watch Russell closely when he’s in as I tend to do, you’ll notice that he’s a better than expected rebounder and normally moves with commendable hustle. Players are made in the summer and I’d like to see Byrd 2.0 next year.

Austin Thornton – "The boy nobody wanted just won the Super Bowl." I’m rather surprised how much traction AT passing a shot up against UM has received. To me, that’s about reason No. 17 why MSU walked away defeated. In general, the days of piling on the wing from Sand Lake are over. Thornton has been in double-digits or close in five of his last eight games. He continues to be a reliable presence to be in the right place at the right time as the freshmen learn the ropes.

That’s what I have for now. Next up is another winnable home game against Minnesota on Wednesday. Minnesota really struggled at the onset of Big Ten play losing their first four. Since then, they proved a dangerous road team by beating Indiana in Bloomington. After that, it's into the dark, threatening confines of Assembly Hall. Until then, enjoy and GO GREEN!

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I agree that the 4 OR sequence by Purdue in the first half was horrific, but the shots that PU was hoisting were so outright terrible that positioning and blocking out were worthless. When a 20 footer from the wing is so far off that it bounces out to the free throw line all the hard work in the world to get into position is a farce. It was like watching a UM game when they aren’t hitting their 3’s, the rebounds go to places that no self-respecting defensive rebounder would think to go, especially one trained by Izzo and Stephens. If, as a defensive rebounder, you took up your rebounding position at the three point arc somewhere West of the elbow, you’ll be sitting between Izzo and Dwayne Jerome getting both ears filled at 100 db in about ten seconds.

by Uncle Omar on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

It was a whupping

More than doubled up Purdue on eFG%, even though none of the other four factors in MSU’s favor, when you shoot that much better than the other team, a big W is inevitable.

Nix & AT are both playing the best ball of their careers right now, and really help keep up the scoring intensity when they sub in.

Dawson had some highlight reel plays today, and didn’t have any glaring defensive relapses IIRC.

BK continues to impress. He has a ton of game. I think Denzel will be a similar player.

by MSUDersh on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

effective field goal percentage?

I’d say it was quite ineffective whenever we took a jump shot today. think we hit one jumper in the first 30 minutes, and that was Hart’s first half three

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 21, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I know Purdue doesn't have a major post game

but when I went back and looked at the numbers, it was shocking. If jump-shots aren’t falling (and that is an understatement) it helps to have more options then guards driving to the basket but the big men for Purdue were just non-factors.

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by intrpdtrvlr on Jan 21, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It's frustrating

Carroll is rotating very well off of screen and rolls and he was open multiple times yesterday, but we don’t even look to the post most of the time. Marcius was getting good position too.

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by BoilerTMill on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree about BK and Denzel

which is why methinks Valentine redshirts. I think we could see Kearney crack the starting lineup next year if he puts on more muscle.

by Loneytunes on Jan 22, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't get to see the game, so thanks for the quick write up

From the box score and comments, this looks like it was the kind of game where MSU has been the best this season: no one trying to do to much (Appling and Green being the most likely offenders).

I extend my continuing apologies to AT. Over the last half dozen the guy has transitioned from a offensive black hole to AJ Granger-lite, with continued solid rebounding and timely three-point shooting (just forcing someone to run out on him does wonders for the spacing of this offense).

by RoninX on Jan 21, 2012 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

The first 15 minutes or so were ugly

but we played well after that. Hopefully this game is a confidence builder for Dawson since he’s been struggling a bit lately.

by Stones1981 on Jan 22, 2012 9:10 AM CST reply actions  

Anybody else hear about Costello's game on Friday?

49 pts, 20 rbs, 7 blocks, 6 asts. He’s been killing it this year. I’m real excited to see our next recruiting class, especially Costello, Harris, and Valentine.

by Stones1981 on Jan 22, 2012 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

I'm stoked for Costello

I wonder how much he’ll play next year too, since we’ll need to integrate Byrd into the frontline as well and possibly Kaminski. I guess Kaminski, who I’m also stoked for, will probably redshirt because of injury and conditioning. So we probably see only Costello and Harris play next year is my guess, considering we only lose Draymond and AT and have Kearney, Byrd, Gauna, Dawson and Trice to fit more into the rotation.

by Loneytunes on Jan 22, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Losing Wood too

So losing two starters, and top wing sub. BK will more than capably replace AT, and hopefully Harris can play the 2 right away, but put big situation will still be developing – Paynix has the 5 locked down, but either Gauna, Costello or Kaminski if he bulks up will play the 4.

Also losing Ianni, who is 270 lbs of 5 fouls/game, if needed. Never hurts to have giant walk ons.

by MSUDersh on Jan 22, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

True I forgot about Wood

But I think that we’ll see Kearney at the two instead of Harris. Izzo doesn’t usually let freshmen start immediately if he’s got experience on his roster, and I think that Payne and Nix will start together a lot. You’ve got Gauna and Costello for support, and like you said perhaps Kaminski although from what I’ve heard he needs to work on his rebounding. I’m actually extremely excited to see next years team, I think they’ll be run and gun, blast to watch team that will play 10 deep easily.

by Loneytunes on Jan 22, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

weird game

Did anyone else feel like Purdue dominated us in the first half? They just couldn’t buy a bucket but I think they had some quality looks and out hustled us. Our passing and turnovers the first few possessions were incredibly frustrating too.

MSU had a very unimpressive first half. I’m with you, if Purdue doesn’t have travel issues I think they make more of their shots and MSU is in big trouble. We were totally out of sync.

by msuduster on Jan 22, 2012 9:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

i agree

once i heard that the entire team was on about 2 hours of sleep, with that sleep coming on a bus, anything less than a 20 point win would be disappointing (which we accomplished, so yea!). i find it hard to even look at stats for this one

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by vert_et_blanc on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I turned it off in the first half it was so ugly…then as I turned it back on i was like wow were up 20. Glad to see Dawson get going we need him and Payne to step it up if we are going to win the B1g.

by MSUMC25 on Jan 22, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to read much into a win over a team that sleep-deprived.

But I must say, I liked the quick passes to Nix in the paint.

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by SpartanDan on Jan 22, 2012 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

Hello 1st place

We’re back.

RE: Dawson, my point about him sitting because of what he can’t do is that you deprive the team of what he can do. Look at how excited the team gets when he punishes the rim.

What’s up with this schedule?
MSU plays Wed then not again until the following Tues.
Illinois plays next Sat after today and they just had a 9 day break.
Is the NBA schedule being instituted for Feb or what?

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by spartyball on Jan 22, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

I think a lot of teams have just had a big jag

of games and they need their break. I dont know for sure why though.

by Loneytunes on Jan 22, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That is unusual

And considering that this will be the second week-long break since conference play began, you would think that the B1G could have waited to start in-conference games at least after New Year’s, if not once students were back on campus.

I don’t see why it’s so tough to schedule 18 games between early Jan. – early March. There are 10 weeks from Jan. 1 to March 4, B1G tourney begins March 8.

by MSUDersh on Jan 22, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

10 weeks for 18 games

so each team gets two “byes” (either the midweek off or the weekend off). Michigan filled one of theirs with the Arkansas game.

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by SpartanDan on Jan 22, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I was annoyed about Dawson yesterday

But then, when you see how many Purdue yahoos claim he was bought off, I’m not going to blame him for anything he does to Purdue.

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by Seer on Jan 22, 2012 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah I've lost a lot of respect for that fanbase

Just bitching & moaning about everything, making baseless accusations about Izzo paying off Dawson, etc. One of the nice things about SBN blogs is that it usually doesn’t attract that element of the fanbase, but in the case of Purdue it certainly has.

Then again, the MSU bloggers at RCMB are pretty petty and small. And some sbn blogs, notable Along the Olentangy and Maize & Brew, are all but dead thanks to thay kind of behavior.

by MSUDersh on Jan 22, 2012 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Although I haven't read through them thoroughly,

I’m not sure how many people over at H&R were claiming he was bought off. I know there were a few people upset, and the general consensus was that we don’t care for the attitude, but not really that many were that upset. It was more just a few bloggers making a whole lot of noise. I hope you don’t read too much into it. I know I was guilty of being a little offended by Dawson’s lip-off to Painter (or whatever happened there), but the way I look at it is he still has to play in Mackey in a month. We’ll settle it then. Until then, it should give our players something to get motivated about (as if a 25-point loss isn’t enough).
Good luck for the rest of your season, beat IU and OSU (if there are any remaining games), and we’ll see ya in February!

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by boilerjake on Jan 22, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I know most Purdue fans on SBN are pretty good

But my point is that Dawson has probably been reading and hearing this story ever since he committed, and so I can’t really blame him for being upset with Purdue. I don’t want to read too much into the exchange, but if he was really talking to Painter, he may blame him somewhat for the fan reaction.

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by Seer on Jan 22, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He was bought

If you want to bury your head in the sand and live in a fantasy land, then go ahead. There are plenty of folks on Purdue’s and IU’s rivals.com boards with knowledge of what went down. Dawson’s handlers wanted money for unofficial visits and other financial favors. Some schools were willing to play ball, others weren’t. I don’t blame Izzo for getting out the checkbook, Dawson is a helluva player. And no, Gary Harris wasn’t bought.

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by PurdueMatt on Jan 23, 2012 7:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Just don't feed the troll

He’s blowing up boards with this Dawson crap. Its the big lie theory – this kid obviously believes that he who screams loudest & kongest is right. I would stop replying to him entirely & let the mods delete his trash.

by MSUDersh on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Names and Dates

I don’t disagree that there are some shady things going on in college sports, but accusations without details are just bitter excuses.

Oh, and why would the Big Dog go to Purdue if he didn’t get paid?

by CJC1992 on Jan 23, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Theres a reason Izzo has a pretty impeccable record with the NCAA

by Loneytunes on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

wait, lemme get this straight

Coach Izzo paid for Dawson who, while talented, really needs to work on his jumper and his uh, motor. But he didn’t pay for Harris who has few if any holes in his game and seems poised to dominate from day 1. Ooooooo K.

I see what this is. Let’s make up sh*t about the team that just blew us away because it always feels better to get blown away by cheaters than by teams that are just plain better.
Well if that’s the case then I’m pretty sure that Curletti kid received a packet of cream cheese with his bagel when he visited Northwestern which is clear violation. There’s going to be an investigation and that win last Saturday will be vacated.
Yeah, yeah… that’s the ticket

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by spartyball on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Why hasn't this post been deleted?

Is there a reason? And Matt, I’m not asking you.

by rook34 on Jan 23, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

BTN picked the perfect Journey episode to preempt

I’m pretty sure it’s one that features the UM game.
No way I was watching that anyway.
RIP Joe Pa

ILL on the ropes.
Looks like 1st place will remain a minaj a trois(or something like that)

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by spartyball on Jan 22, 2012 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

Wisconsin just took down #22 Illinois

AT Champaign, that’s huge for us, anytime a contender falls at home is a plus.

As of right now, we’re in a 3 way tie with OSU & U-M atop the conference standings at 5-2 each. And of course, U-M has 7 remaining road conference games, while us & OSU have only 5.

Wisconsin half a game back at 5-3, then Purdue & Illinois each half game further back at 4-3.

by MSUDersh on Jan 22, 2012 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Alternate standings

Teams get +1 for a conference road win, -1 for a conference home loss:

+2 MSU
+2 Ohio State
+1 Wisconsin
+1 Purdue
0 Michigan
0 Illinois
0 Indiana
0 Iowa
0 Minnesota
-1 Northwestern
-2 Penn State
-3 Nebraska

by njd on Jan 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If I were ranking the B1G by groupings

That’s almsot exactly what it would look like, except bump up M by 1 to Wisc/Purdue group, maybe swap Minn & NW, too.

by MSUDersh on Jan 22, 2012 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This is such a wild year

Not even halfway through and the only teams untouched at home are MSU, OSU, and UM.

I agree with your adjustments. I would drop Indiana a bit too on the basis of their missed their opportunity @Nebraska and the fact that they’ve already won @Penn State. The road slate isn’t getting any easier for them.

by njd on Jan 22, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The Big Ten is clearly the best conference in the country

I think the fact that we have nine or ten teams that can beat anyone on the right night. It’s really great to see all these teams just clobber eachother, each team has been dropped hard when they weren’t expecting it. When tourney time comes, we’ve got seven maybe eight deserving teams who I think will be better off because of it. No other conference has the top to bottom consistency we do, which is what you face in the tourney.

by Loneytunes on Jan 22, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Indiana

There’s a thread from a few games back about how the BT breaks down into groups and, at that time, most included IU near the top. If they take a loss at UW this weekend they’ll have 5 and be solidly in the bottom half.

How things change.

by CJC1992 on Jan 23, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I anticipated that the history between Izzo and Painter over recruiting Dawson might be an issue

Ha! You think?

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by PurdueMatt on Jan 23, 2012 7:10 AM CST reply actions  

I give Coach Painter credit

Recruiting to West Lafayette has to be tough. East Lansing isn’t perfect, but it’s a way better place to spend for four years than WL.

by CJC1992 on Jan 23, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

New York

I think Purdue has a great shot at the NIT, which is in NYC, so that’s kind of cool for them.

by CJC1992 on Jan 23, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

Purdue fan here.

I apologize for the few Purdue fans that are being obstinate. Every fan base has a few people who take it a bit too far. I have to say though, I am disappointed by both Dawson and the Izzone. I don’t know what happened with Dawson and I don’t care. He’s a good player and he choose a good school. I think he just got a bit too excited and got out of line. I look forward to seeing him in Mackey. Really, it was the Izzone chanting that they hope Hummel gets hurt again that shocked and disappointed me. I did not expect that from the Spartan fanbase. I don’t care about an apology but know that I at least will not forget that. Anyways, I still have a good opinion of you guys for the most part. Best of luck for the rest of the season.

by Nymics on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

Uh..

It wasn’t the Izzone – it was a single person in the Izzone who yelled something out. Given that Painter’s own daughter publicly published a comment about hoping a highschooler got hit by a train – I would think that Matt Painter and the Purdue fanbase would be understanding of an inappropriate outburst by a single person.

by MooTheKow on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

All coaches whine and I understand

Painter had an extremely bad weekend.
This all happened on the heels of that Willis kid, who was a former Purdue commit, committing to Kentucky. Then he has to go to MSU and be in the same room with Coach Izzo and Dawson while another round of “Painter can’t land the big fish” stories are being written.
To make matters worse, they have the travel issues putting his team at an even worse disadvantage in a game that was going to be hard enough to win. I think it all boiled over on him and he snapped. It’s entirely possible that Dawson said nothing to him(although it looked like he did) but Painter perceived it that way and at that moment he was ready to take on anybody not wearing black and gold.

I think very highly of Coach Painter, his teams are usually tough matchups for MSU. It wasn’t a good day for his team. I know they’ll have better because they have a good coach.
That being said, after all of this, I want the sweep more than ever.
And if it’s no longer a friendly rivalry after this, we’ll always have Spokane right?

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by spartyball on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

There was no coordinated chant from the Izzone. I was there and sit across from them and that didn’t happen. By all accounts, it was one person who (maybe) said something about him getting hurt. Get mad at the individual if you want (and assuming Painter’s account is accurate), but this was not a collective malice thing.

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by Ducking Delvon on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

A few obnoxious fans

shouldn’t tarnish an entire fanbase. After all, every fanbase has them. Hopefully this an isolated incident and the Izzone can get back to the disruptive atmosphere without the classless comments/chants.

by TMadison25 on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I always look back to the Vander Blue situation at Wisconsin. He was a talented area player, not a 5 star recruit, but a kid expected to be a contributor. He apparently had trouble keeping his grades up & got flamed so badly by the UW message boards he actually de-committed, and switched to Marquette.

The problem isn’t the fanbase as a whole, the problem is when some assholes take it upon themselves to try to speak for the whole fanbase (as in the Blue situation), but also, I think it’s a problem that Painter is bringing this to light. Hummel sure didn’t care at all – he explicitly said so, and made it clear that he wants no involvement in this at all.

It just really stinks of sour grapes from the coach. When you get run out of a gym by 25, there are a lot of things you should be concerned about BEFORE some idiot undergrad in the student section.

by MSUDersh on Jan 23, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it's nice to win one easy

the first 10 minutes or so were pretty hard to watch. I think we set back basketball aesthetics by about 50 years. It’s, I guess, a little troubling that we struggled so much early against a team that was playing on 3 hours sleep, but slow starts – i.e. unforced errors in the early going – seem to be one of those things that the Izzo system is prone to.

We did what we had to do – win going away at home against a quality opponent – albeit one that was sleep deprived. The stats, especially on defense, probably look a lot better than they should. I’m not sure much can be taken from this game from a “how did we perform” standpoint but a win is a win.

As for the extra curricular stuff, from my living room I don’t have much to say. Dawson said he didn’t say anything to Painter, Painter says he did, who knows. Bottom line is that players should not be trash talking opposing coaches, so if it happened Izzo will hopefully handle it. At one point the Izzone was chanting to put Hummel back in – I thought that was so they could give him an ovation for his last game at the Breslin, which I thought showed some class. Maybe I was misinterpreting things, but that’s what it seemed like on TV.

Speaking for myself, I think Hummel is a great player who I have always liked, and who got dealt a really bad hand. Had he been healthy at Purdue his entire career, they would likely have won at least one more Big Ten title and probably made it to the Final Four at least once. It sucks that he got hurt and anyone mocking his injury situation deserves to be denounced for a jerk. I’ve enjoyed our, what has been until now, friendly rivalry with Purdue. I hope that our rivalry can return to friendlier terms sometime soon.

by TheCrestedHelm on Jan 23, 2012 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

Izzone and Hummel

I had a bit of a problem with how the Izzone, myself a member, treated Hummel. Nothing was malicious, aside from what one person supposedly said (and I agree with Izzo that it warrants a ban from the Izzone), but otherwise there were chants of “Robbie, Robbie” every time he had the ball and the aforementioned chant you described.

I’m all for these kinds of chants in most situations and for most players, they are funny and have the highest chance of getting into a player’s head, but I chose not to participate this time because of the respect I have for Robbie Hummel. He has been through a hell of a lot, and now he has to suit up, a shell of his former self on the court, with a team of guys that he may enjoy playing with, but it’s not his team, like it was pre-injuries with Johnson and Moore.

I just think that the whole Izzone heckling him the whole game was not very classy, kind of like getting the airball chant going against a player on a DII cupcake early in the season. Hummel has been a positive figure in the Big ten for years now, and has had as much basketball related hardship as any player I can remember. He was also part of some extremely competitive Purdue teams and has been nothing but respectful to our school, so I thought these chants were a bit uncalled for.

by one23 on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

Agree that the ACL comment is out of line

But a “Rob-bie, Rob-bie” chant is more than fair game, IMO. Especially when he’s having as poor a night as he was, nothing at all wrong with mocking him in that manner.

by MSUDersh on Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Hummel gets no special treatment during a game. The vast majority of kids who tee it up against our Spartans are talented, responsible, hard working individuals (in other words “good” people). Despite this, it is our responsibility to do everything within our power (and the bounds of decorum – rooting for/referencing injuries falls outside those bounds IMO) to make them underperfom. No one gets a pass on that.

by RoninX on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I completely disagree

As an Izzone member, there’s a flip you need to switch during the game. I respect just about every program in the Big Ten except Wisconsin, but during the game my attitude is “they can fuck off.” Now, that does not extend to wishing injuries on other players, but anything else is definitely fair game. Making fun of players’ names, criminal issues (Stanley Pringle comes to mind from a couple years ago), girlfriends or mediocre play are all expected to be brought up. I personally love heckling opposing coaches during their timeouts.

I heard a couple people shout at Robbie whether he could even score his number while he was on the bench. Chanting “We want Robbie” while he’s 0-fer is completely fair game. The Izzone needs to be nasty, and it’s unfortunate that one guy (and let me emphasize, it was one guy who said “I hope you don’t tear your ACL again”) crossed a line that should be obvious to all sports fans.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a crappy comment to make and maybe I'm parsing here but....

There’s even a difference between "I hope you don’t tear your ACL again" which seems to acknowledge that he has an injury history and “I hope you tear your ACL”.

Both are crappy comments but one actually wishes injury to Hummel while the other seems to pull up short of that.

Still, just one idiot and not the whole Izzone.

by MSULaxer27 on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

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