Game Thread and Preview: Michigan State vs. Wisconsin
by intrpdtrvlr on Jan 3, 2012 4:15 PM CST
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PrintTHE KOHL CENTER -- MADISON, WISCONSIN
TUESDAY, JANUARY 3rd, 2012, 7:00 PM EST
TV: ESPN2
ONLINE RADIO FEED: Spartan Sports Network
I’m quite sure Wisconsin didn’t plan on welcoming Michigan State tonight reeling from a home loss to Iowa. It’ll be interesting to see how Wisconsin responds. Is this evidence of real trouble in Badgerland or is Wisconsin going to come out plodding on all cylinders and deliver a classic Kohl Center strangulation?
I jest about Wisconsin plodding but over their opening games Bo Ryan’s team is back up to their standard 60 possessions/game after dipping last year to a "slow-for-them" 57.7. Sixty per game still ranks them among the lowest in the nation and Iowa made some points by getting 66 possessions out of the stingy Badgers. The Hawkeyes also won by hitting nearly 50% of their FGs while showing restraint from behind the arc (2 of 6). In turn, Wisconsin played the exact opposite game, launching 28 deep shots but only hitting 3.
Much has been made about the drop-off in production by Jordan Taylor. He was supposed to be prepping for a monster senior year as the unquestioned focal point of the Wisconsin attack but his PPG are down by 5.4 and his shooting has suffered greatly. Getting him going is a key to keeping Wisconsin from continuing to slide against MSU. In juxtaposition, this is great opportunity for a hot Keith Appling to confirm himself as one of the Big Ten’s elite point guards. Who gets the best of this match-up could be the difference.
After Taylor, Wisconsin has a classic Badger forward in 6’10" junior Jared Berggren. With the departure of Jon Leuer and Kenton Kankivil, Berggren has seen his minutes jump from 7 to almost 27. Like his predecessors, he’s not afraid to shoot from any distance but he was ice cold against Iowa. Berggren has struggled early since a very productive non-conference performance. Wisconsin also has a response to Branden Dawson with Ryan Evans, another junior and 6’6" wing. Evans leads the Badgers in rebounding from his wing spot and had a big start to conference play getting 22 and 6 against Nebraska. He’s also been in double figures for 8 of Wisconsin’s 15 games and averages 10.4.
Two straight road wins to start the Big Ten season would be huge for MSU and a victory would still be an upset tonight. MSU's respectable ball security and unselfish play should help the Spartans make the most of those scant possessions. This isn’t a Wisconsin team with great size and it may be difficult for them to challenge the frontline of Green, Nix, Payne, and Dawson. It’s difficult to predict a victory @Wisconsin but the Badgers definitely look vulnerable tonight. Let’s steal one on the road!
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We stay out of foul trouble, we win.
But Green, Appling, or both will have 2 fouls by the 12 minute mark.
by rook34 on Jan 3, 2012 4:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You think they'll all last that long?
Depends if Valentine/Burr are reffing.
I’ve actually decided Hightower isn’t as bad as he used to be — he’s at least bad to both teams usually…
Dreading the Madison Flop
I’m really hoping Appling distributes more and drives straight to the trees less, their D seems to be based on drawing charges down low.
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 5:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
MSUDersh..whenever we go to Kohl center...
i curl up like a ball and hide under the table. PLZ PLZ NO EDDY HIGHTOWER!
There are some badger ballers who should not be remembered.
Devin Harris, Alondo Tucker, Kammron Taylor, Kirk Penny, Mike Wilkinson. I hate every single one of them
by spartynation on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Predicting a big win tonight
Payne and Nix will come up huge again, and I think we’ll see a nice performance out of Brandon Wood. Hopefully Green is a facilitator today. Unfortunately wont be posting tonight, headed out for a heavy night of drinking and watching MSU BASKETBALL Hiyoooooo
I'm either expecting a comfortable win...
or a big loss. I dread the Kohl Center.. I feel like Wisconsin shoots about 20% better than their season average from 3 point land every time MSU goes to visit them.
Last season
They shot 64.7% from 3 against us at Kohl Center. That was in-freaking-sane. We’ll need them to at least halve that number, in order to prevail tonight.
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For the sake of pairity
The Big 10 needs Wisconsin to win this game. If they lose, they are in danger of falling off an missing the tourney, and the conference can’t allow that. It just means we need to play all that much better to overcome the officiating. Look for Wisconsin to pull out all their cheap shot- they have been the dirtiest team in all of college basketball for years. It’s just how Ryan coaches- how to get away with it.
Fouls
With the clowns that are officiating this game, I will be amazed if we win.
Staudt got it right
He said there’d be a 13 game win streak heading in to Madison.
Can we get 14?
I’m sure the shooting from Bucky will be the opposite of Saturday but after yesterday I gotta believe Coach Izzo and the guys are energized by what the football team did.
What concerns me is that Coach Izzo is happy. Football wins make his day.
Whenever he’s been happy this season, the team has given him a reason to be angry.
I hope that changes tonight.
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
none of the bad ones
Thank goodness
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not even going to try and lie to myself
I want this game bad, even though we technically don’t need it, especially with 2 wins already and a favorable schedule in the next few.
A few bad signs early would be them being hot early, us relying on jump shots early and getting beat on the boards. I expect horrendous officiating, that’s par for the course in the Big 10 which has the worst officiating in the country.
Green is not a point guard
Stop making him play point.
It's only 2 games
He’ll make some dumb passes once in a while but he’s proven to be a good passer overall
Welcome to Madison
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by Seer on Jan 3, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
did the announcers just say "if they hurry" regarding Wisconsin?
Do they WATCH basketball?
by hascow on Jan 3, 2012 6:08 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Taylor
looks like he has lost a lot of confidence. How does that happen his senior year? Doesn’t get easier with Appling on him tonight.
It is different when you have to carry the load.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Bad defensive set
Appling has no chance in the post on defense
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nice turnover AT
That should earn him more PT, according to opposite rules that Izzo works with
so announcers, the transfer rule only happens AFTER THEY GRADUATE
it’s not like they can do it willy-nilly.
Also, stupid foul
these announcers are terrible.
And seem to really love Wisconsin
by one23 on Jan 3, 2012 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nah, that wasn't as weak as the others
it was just stupid
Really? The one on Thornton?
That was legit
That's the AT defense we love to see
just flopping into guys
I knew the zebras would be bad
but they have taken it to a new level. Bet they got a call from Jim Delaney before the game reminding them how badly Wisconsin needs this game.
Unfortunately Draymond and Thornton are at their absolute worst tonight...
doesn’t bode well for the team. They need to get out of their funks.
how many layups have we missed.
at this rate team that scores 30 first wins
I just rewatched on replay
Bruserwitch had Green’s arm chicken winged, if anything foul should be on Wisc
Green missing point blank
can’t shoot straight.
"Shot clock down to 12"
Uh, Wisconsin doesn’t start running their offense till it gets to 12
Need to rotate the bigs to keep them fresh against their size
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That sure didn't look like a foul on Appling
Taylor initiated that contact
Welcome to Madison
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by Seer on Jan 3, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that is how they win... shoot FT's
that is why Wisc can never win outside Kohl…ever
I am so sick of our guys trying to rebound by tapping the ball around
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Wow gauna
Reports were that he had a nice stroke as a RS Frosh last year. We haven’t seen it much yet, but he looked smooth there
Wisconsin Bball
Less interesting than the Iowa caucus
I know it's coming every time...
and every time the reffing in these games drive me nuts.
Seriously a foul on every possession
So frustrating because it is so predictable
well said.
I don’t know if it is worse than usual, but all these plays look pretty standard big ten to me, why call them this game.
by one23 on Jan 3, 2012 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you got that right
She also just dropped,
“I don’t like that Thornton guy. He’s always f’ing stuff up out there. He’s not a good player, how come he always plays?”
I have a great wife.
“He has the worst athletic ability on the whole team, and makes terrible decisions. Is he related to Izzo somehow?”
LOL she just keeps going off on him
Yeah the questionable whistles are starting to go both ways
Here’s a suggestion refs – SWALLOW THE WHISTLES
If we could make a bloody layup, we'd be up multiple baskets.
The refs aren’t helping, but there’s a long distance between “bad” and “fixing the game”.
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I feel like Izzo should just plan on taking a technical every time we come to Kohl
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+1
Why every double-digit seed they play whoops ’em.
which makes the biased officiating even harder to understand.
Why set the league up to look bad in the tournament every year.
The real "tragedy" is UW will never dump him
His style gets them 90% home wins and the occasional BT title. He’ll never get canned even though it has no hope of winning them a national title
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Fresh Prince reunion
we already had Carlton(Taylor)
Now we have Jaz too
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE KICK DAN DAKICH IN THE NUTS!!!!!!!!!
SHUT UP YOU IDIOT! WHAT QUALIFIES YOU TO SLOBBER ON WISCONSIN LIKE THIS!
what in the world was that foul?
Oh wait, Wisconsin in the bonus shocker
why bring back Keith
he’s playing with handcuffs
how about BK
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
WOW another away from the ball foul
This is just fucked. How many of our fouls have been off the ball?
ive never seen so many called in my life
by one23 on Jan 3, 2012 6:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
damnit...
that’s such crap. Wisconsin is going to get 80% of their points at the line.
NBA scouts don't even like Taylor
so why is he getting NBA calls?
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
To be fair, they did botch the offensive goaltending call.
But that doesn’t exactly demand a makeup call when there have been so many the other way.
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exponentially.
AT can’t dribble, pass, defend, and can barely shoot. He also cannot move laterally on D, nor to the basket when he has the ball.
BK should have earned himself AT’s roster spot with these last two posessions
I generally like Dakich
He is typically well informed, and he has a lot of familiarity with the conference.
we have a new player according to announcers
Carney….Ha ha. Made BK Irish
How does goaltending work?
It was sitting on the rim, but it actually looked like Payne palmed it a little and there was about an inch of separation when he put it in.
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Think it's the taking-the-ball-of-the-rim
rather than the dunk itself, that was the problem.
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There are a lot of ungrateful bastards up there
I think it’s the cold, personally, that does it to them.
Perhaps most annoying state in general?
They tried to claim their state looks like a mitten, when it looks more like a porkchop
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in all seriousness
I would absolutely prefer people showing me where they’re from by pointing to a pork chop.
LOL that's cool too
Of course, mine just flipped off the guy with the “Second place in Rose Bowl but first place in Awesomeness” sign
How long until other teams start copying our Izzone Alumni thing?
to try and get some life in the arena even during the break week
Bilas says:
If officials called every foul in MSU v. Wisconsin, there’d only be walk-ons by halftime. Every cut chucked, little freedom of movement.
There's no push there at all
Wilson runs into AT and then bounces off
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who told AT to dribble
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
by spartyball on Jan 3, 2012 6:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well, they weren't going to go 0-for-everything behind the arc.
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I at least take some comfort in the thought
That they might just be bad at outside shooting this season
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by Seer on Jan 3, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's a symptom of foul trouble
This isn’t going to be the first time you see a lineup like this in the B1G.
only wisconsin fans
Would be posses about that not being called
by one23 on Jan 3, 2012 6:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Bo Ryan doesn't coach
he just screams at the officials all game.
You can tell Izzo loathes him. He’s everything that’s wrong with college basketball coaching.
I don't know how you can avoid calling a foul or at least a tie up there
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well, only down 1 at halftime is pretty good
I think if we can actually shoot better in the second half we got this
no, we don't have to believe that.
Maybe they just can’t shoot this year
count me
As a huge huge Kearney fan…he is such a defensively asset
by one23 on Jan 3, 2012 6:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Apparenlty we didn't attempt a triple that half
I like it, never thought I would see that, but I like it. Wisc 1-8
Only a one point deficit
Not optimistic though. Wisconsin’s MO is to pile up the opponents’ fouls and then get really aggressive and physical around the 12 minute mark of the second half.
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11-7 foul differential
and Wisconsin’s guys are all goons. It’s hard to believe there is any integrity in the officiating in this game.
To whomever was asking,
It’s KEAR-knee (like hear-knee): http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/msu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/release/release_final.pdf top of page 2
They are tWWL
He’ll just have to change and follow them.
My wife joked that MSU's game yesterday might be higher scoring than this nonsense.
She might have been right.
is "The Nuthouse" a common nickname for the OSU basketball arena?
I don’t think I’ve heard that before. Or what it’s official name is, for that matter
Nuthouse = place they sell out once a year with a Top 5 team.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
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The heck prompted that?
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Blind, irrational hatred.
Ryan constantly talks about Pomeroy’s ranking, and the Badgers are always #1 in his index.
I blame Pomeroy for Wisconsin Basketball.
Wisconsin's high rating
single-handedly has me doubting Ken Poms methods.
Wisconsin wins the battle of sabermetrics,
Come tourney time, not on the floor though.
To me, Bo Ryan’s hoops theory is like communism – it works on paper but in real life, notsomuch.
It's a function of high margins of victory
in absurdly slow games. At their pace, winning by 15 is like anyone else winning by 25.
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Of course, the problem is
slow pace decreases the mean margin of victory more than it does the standard deviation, so they’re much more vulnerable to an upset than if they were able to maintain the same efficiency ratio at a non-sloth pace.
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Right the Ken Pom sabermetrics eventually become a self-fulfilling prophecy
But games are won on the floor.
Billy Bean’s Moneyball sucked, too, they never won a ring, and only won a lot of regular season games bc of great starting pitching.
Bo Ryan doesn’t need to re-invent the wheel, contrary to his belief
The problem is that efficiency margin, in itself, isn't everything.
Slow pace squashes game probabilities toward the center (to absurdly exaggerate, over 100 possessions a much better team will win a very high percentage of the time; over 5 possessions, anything can happen). That and Wisconsin’s home-court advantage is so much greater than normal (which they don’t get in the tournament).
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Kentucky down to UALR at the half?
Wait, that was AT’s best game of his career. Does that mean he could be starting for Coach Cal?!?!
true he would have been run off the first day Coach Cal set foot on campus
Gotta free up that spot for another cheating 18 y/o one & done to be stud
cal doesn't mess around
he’s plays his best players, and only his best
I live 45 mins from UK, trust me when I say this
If UK was beaten tonight I would do this:
by Drew Perkins on Jan 3, 2012 7:03 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Took me awhile to get down here.
22-21?!
Good god, how can you be a fan of UW basketball. I’d rather watch paint dry than a minute of UW hoop.
what sucks about that is the transitive property that people apply to all BIG teams because of them
by Drew Perkins on Jan 3, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
George Carlin
“Think of how stupid the average person is. By definition, half the people are dumber than that.”
Assuming average means median.
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by Seer on Jan 3, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They live in denial
that their team is created by the Big 10 and their lousy officials.
Just look at the tourney results.
That is exactly what Rico Beard tweeted.
this is abu ghraib level torture
You ever watch an Ivy League game?
They have them on Fox Sports New England here in Chicago. So many set shots & backdoors.
Yeah Wood was about 6 inches inside the line on a jumper in the 1st
other than that, very few jumpers even close to the line
Green REALLY needs to stop shooting...
so manyjunk shots
Damnit Dawson scare to guard Bruiser on that up & under
Gotta be willing to take that third fould to stop the basket
I swear, if the ball goes out of bounds it's Wisconsin's ball no matter who touches it.
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Izzo gets a T.
Possibly for somebody yelling behind him.
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Okay, these refs are officially just making shit up as they go.
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WTF calls are these
I need to use Rick Perry line here..I dunno if these guys ever come to East Lansing..might get ugly
All you have to do in Madison to get a call
Is set you feet two feet apart, crouch a bit and fall back. It’s so fucking transparent, but somehow officials fall for this bullshit.
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1.) Why are officials so bad at Wisconsin? It isn’t like the same officials do each game.
2.) What does the Big Ten front office think of this?
This is almost laughably absurd
if it wasn’t so frustrating
B1G tryin hard
B1G refs trying hard to keep Wisconsin in the race. No wonder the foul magic dries up in the NCAA tourney.
No foul on 31 moving his feet & leaning into Appling?
Typical. 50/50 calls are evenly split – all of them against us are called, and all against them are let go
Nice dish by Green
more of that would be OK with me
Nice run-out there.
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should be a dozen
And this game is far from over – there are lots of whistles to be blown against us
Bull..
I’m shocked they didn’t T him up for hanging on the rim or somethin.
Suprised no taunting play
They probably would have invoked the football rule & disallowed the dunk, too
YEAH
Wisconsin is panicking, they didn’t know you could run and score
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that was a punishment for Bergeren thinking he could hit another 3
get the rebound… transition game
WOW
A transition dunk, that will get a timeout call from Bo Ryan, probably basket in transition Wisconsin has given up in a month
One more stop and a score
And Wisconsin will be forced out of their pace.
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If anything
This could work well for an ’it’s us against the world’ mentality.
(or us against the Big 10.)
If there's actually a conspiracy to prop up the traditional powerhouses
we’re going to be beneficiaries more than the other way around.
Song of Ice and Fire reference?
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Just finished Book 5 over the holidays.
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Did you see an excerpt from the next book is on his website
Not to get your hopes up that it’ll be out even within the next year
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I suspect (well, hope) this one will go faster.
Part of the problem is he meant to tell a lot of what was in books 4 and 5 via flashback, so those two weren’t really part of the original plan.
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yep. And I tend to think that the beginning and end of a series are the easiest to write
because you know how it’s going to start and end, but you have to change up what happens in between that in order to make it all work
I'd have figured her for a T-wolves fan.
by lesmanalim on Jan 3, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Touche.
That or Dolphins/Marlins.
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by SpartanDan on Jan 3, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
play call
If we ever got up enough to have a game in hand on wisconsin Izzo should call a defensive set where all 5 guys just fall backwards simultaneously. I’d lose my bowels laughing.
We're giving up way too many offensive rebounds.
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both 3's on offensive rebounds for Wisc
good reply KA
...
Payne gets a foul for being undercut. Brilliant.
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These refs are awful
There is no fix. The conference is not trying to give Wisconsin this game. Wisconsin has put a lot of time and energy into learning to flop and avoid all hand-check type fouls on defense. Along with the suffocatingly slow tempo, it’s the key to their (regular-season) success. It’s what they do. This, like most games here, presents an adverse situation for this team. If they play with intelligence and maturity, they win the game. Wisconsin can be both out-athleticed and out-smarted. MSU just has to not let their emotions keep them from doing it.
by theRPS on Jan 3, 2012 7:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to believe that
but I don’t think we’re watching the same game.
There is no excuse for this.
actually ont he replay it made a little more sense
Wood set payne up for failure there
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking back to last year’s game.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Sitting in the Kohl center as I type
This place is dead. Refs seem to really be doin some home cooking.
by StickyGreen on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
That ... that's just not possible.
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call actually looked better on second look in slow mo there
still a terrible pass
AHHH
Green needs to stop taking TERRIBLE shots.
It shouldn't be,
Wisconsin hasn’t comitted a personal this half.
It should be, they haven’t been CALLED for a personal this half
Bingo.
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10 minutes in and 0 fouls
I hate the conspiracy theory arguments generally, but when it looks like this it’s harder to completely dismiss them
They're not even doing the B1G standard call-everything-to-start-the-second-half routine.
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Green has four fouls. Wisconsin has seven (for the game).
I generally try not to blame the refs (although I not-at-all-infrequently fail at this), but anyone who’s watched this game knows that that is at right angles to reality.
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foul called on UW..a riot there at Kohl
how dare u refs
Well, in evidence
Wisconsin plays a lot of zone, so does Michigan
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shot
it was a shot at ann arbor and syracuse more than anything
it's pretty much Izzo's mindset
You play zone when you just don’t have the athletes to keep up with the other team. It’s why you see so many little schools doing it in the dance. It works if the other team’s shots not falling
Whatever works.
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Wouldn't you?
They have good beer, weed, and brats (not that those aren’t three great things to have good of). And their women, while ugly, like to put out.
Other than that, they’re frozen on a big ass lake in Madison, and not really near anything. Not so much fun.
He has 1/3 of our points and a dozen rebounds.
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when you shoot every other time
that tends to happen
he quietly has a double-double
This seems to happen with him
There we go.
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More appling please
Dude has been a killer down the stretch of late. Let’s see more of that
wow..
another ticky tack foul for Wisconsin FTs.. shocker again
Yes.
When a guy in green looks at a guy in white funny, it’s a foul.
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to use a phrase from John L Smith
THE KIDS ARE PLAYING THERE TAILS OFF AND THE REFS ARE SCREWING IT UP
Bruiser fucking rode Appling like a horse
might as well have thrown a saddle on him. Good foul AT, make him earn it at the line
Was a good fould by AT
and legit. But appling got mugged. And they just flopped away from the ball for Payne’s 4th
Yeah I'm not saying it wasn't a foul on Thorton
just that if only one of those plays was a foul, it was the appling one
this is why announcers need to learn about tempo free stats
Wisconsin is the “best” scoring defense in part because they are playing with nearly the fewest possessions in the country
No "nearly" about it.
Slowest tempo in the country, and there’s only one team within 1 possession of them.
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UW has to do something to these announcers
Every home game for them is always the same crap “UW is a great program. Bo coaches up 2 and 3 star players (lie)”
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Though they are supposed to be unbiased
It generally is easier to get more excited with the home team as they have the crowd with them.
Wisconsin in the double bonus, with two fouls to give.
Absurd.
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IDK it was a decent look
he can drive & get it up over them all day, they just don’t have the athleticism to stop him.
see Green, Appling is the hot one
pass to him Green, don’t shoot. Green is a ball hog.
In defense of Green
he has been agressively taking the ball to the basket and has not gotten a single call for doing it. which is VERY unusual
yup BK 0-2
may be his first FTs in college. Wood & Dawson also each with a miss & a make. AT 2-2, nobody else has seen the line. Which is incredible when you think of how aggresive Green & applin have been to the basket
Need to get Dawson involved a bit more
Him and Appling have been causing them problems.
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just pulled up ESPN
and my 7-yr old saw that a bowl game was on – he asked who was playing, so I said VT vs UM.
he said “we want VT to win then, because we never want Michigan, right?”
Damn
that was a nice move and finish against solid defense
Nice camera work there, ESPN. Couldn't see a damn thing zoomed that far out.
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Multiple times, even.
Wisconsin’s no-foul rep actually hurts them here because they have to waste time fouling multiple times.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME REF?
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I blame Izzo for playing AT in a critical moment.
there’s no excuse for that
touch foul to give wisconsin points
shocker again.
You gotta be kidding me
How can you call such an obvious bail out
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If they get the lead here
watch for them to fould us twice to brun clock & force us to inbounds it multiple times
BALL DON'T LIE
You deserved to miss that taylor
No go ahead
Go to OT, my heart hasn’t had enough shit this week from you. Please, I love cardiac damage.
Outback Bowl. Yay....
Why another timeout there, Izzo?
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Ummmm what?
Izzo, why force our guys to have to inbounds it again? Esp now that they can burn another few seconds then foul us?
Would have been his fourth. No chance.
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I guess this Izzo multiple timeout calling
is karma for us Spartans fans always yelling at him for not calling TO enough
Good lord
it took 4 attempted intentional fouls to get the call
that was supposed to post earlier
when taylor fouled
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 3, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well, these last two minutes have been infuriating.
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Before the inbounds foul
interesting. Would have made more sense to fould after the throw in. Like, a LOT more sense
Unless it goes quick heave at the hoop, three shots.
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How long til the first MSU player is fouled out?
I give it 30 seconds.
On the bright side, Nix has been playing great
And is not overburdened with fouls
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Yikes Keith that was a bad look
I love that he has the balls to take it, but it was a low percentage look.
Would have preferred to attack the hoop
Even with the risk of UW flopping
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i mean it's only 5 minutes
but you are probably right
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 3, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
About time they call something.
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AT starting over Payne
Makes sense, keep him in for first three minutes, hopefully we can keep it withing a basket
Damnit Appling
weak call, he barely pushed his hip, but you can’t let the refs have ANY reason to blow the whistle tonight
AND ONE!
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You never see that uncalled. The other refs didn’t uncall that and-one when Izzo got the T last month.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
ARE YOU KIDDING ME THAT'S IN THE AIR!
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There it is Green
and they take it away. that has to be a joke
how is that on the floor?
If it’s in the air, by definition, it’s not on the floor.
These referees are an abomination.
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The foul sure looked like it was on the bump
which was during the shot. Whatever, Green hit them both
Yeah, but we'd be up one instead of tied now.
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Damnit Green can't do anything against Evans there
ThisZone is also good when you have a lot of foul trouble . . .just sayin
can they cheat any more blatantly
Earl Hebner is shaking his head
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
"Extraordinarily well officiated" my ass, you dolts.
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AT with two big rebounds in a row.
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Two Huge boards by Thornton
credit where it due
Nice steal AT
well, way to be in the right place at the right time. Bullshit fould on Appling. Shocker
Bull.
Two guys run into each other, both moving (if anything, Appling was more set), and it’s an offensive foul?
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almost didn't call that foul on Gossert
took like 5 seconds
HA
What a waste of that free possession for Wisc
/knocks furiously on wood
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Somehow despite all of this
We are in real good shape. Keep playing defense
Knew that Kentucky score was too good to last.
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this is a new level of bad reffing..
seen a lot of bad games.. thist akes the cake.
Didn't the Kohl brothers,
after whom this arena is named, just do something really, really stupid in the past 6 months or so?
Not Occupy Wisconsin. They are called teachers.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
lol well I coulnd't remember what they called themselves
but the people who took over the state capital when the newly elected guv went nuts
Refuse to give me cash on the shirts I returned after Christmas?
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Not even the top 3 vs. Wisconsin. The BTT game a few years ago was way worse.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that never, ever gets overruled. So odd.
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
wow...
can we really win it? Please, refs, just don’t screw us…..
Pull Green for this Wisc set
call a timeout when we get it back, whether miss or make, to get him in on offense
it still wouldn't have been the refs' fault
we missed tons of close shots.
But yeah, I’ll be amazed with a win at Kohl
Need to stay focused on these inbounds
Game is not quite over
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And I bet they are blaming the refs
I know Wisconsin fans, and they are
UW's pep band stole "Budweiser" from Georgia Tech
one more reason to hate them
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Lots of terrible calls
But if you think it’s a conspiracy to keep Wisconsin at the top (and why?), it’s a pretty inept conspiracy.
really?
they’re even reviewing to try to give wisconsin more time here. this is absurd
how is that not a flagrant foul?
No play on the ball
Guy nearer halfcourt (#21) could be called for an intentional trip.
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Only 14?
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ARE YOU BLOODY KIDDING ME
They’d better not make that kind of crap.
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DAMN EVERYTHING
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He didn't get it off! That's game over.
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I think that was late
but for the love of god how do we not foul them???
absolutely should have fouled him when he got the rebound
Seems to me like you have to go by the clock above the backboard, it’s what everybody on the floor is looking at
HOw are those clocks not synced
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??
You gotta wonder
if this is something that has been an issue every game there? How many games had improper outcomes because they can’t properly sync up a clock that’s run by a computer??
Backboard clock is the official one. That's game over.
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yes
it is the official clock i believe. this is unreal
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
redlight was on
if it counts, I want an investigation
Red light is official. If they count this then I will start agreeing with the fix-is-in theories.
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the clock on the board is official!!
just end it!
This should not be that hard
The one on the floor has to be the official one
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Go with the clock with the most time on it?
That makes no sense – just as logical to go with the clock with the least amount of time on it
WAVED OFF! GAME OVER!
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Replay has not been kind to Wisconsin this year, has it?
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by SpartanDan on Jan 3, 2012 8:23 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
This is also true.
All three calls (including the clock yesterday in the Rose Bowl) were correct.
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I AM TEBOWING
Lord Almighty was on our side!
Playing 5/8 not fair.
Also
How does Dan Dakich not know which clock is official? How does a former Div-1 coach not know something that basic?
Wow I just read a
“Fuck off you fucking mother fucker” from Bo Ryan to the refs.
You stay classy, grinch, you stay classy
It is clock, light, horn. The red light was on before it was released. Game over. The clock with the red light controls.
JAY BILAS
by spartynation on Jan 3, 2012 8:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sure woulda been nice if Green makes one of those free throws...jeezuz.
by Drew Perkins on Jan 3, 2012 8:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oh, c'mon man.
Of all the missed layups — and there were a lot, plus a weak move made by Nix right before AT’s — you want to single out AUSTIN THORNTON as the reason we were in that position?
We know you hate his game with a passion, but that’s a BIG stretch. Especially considering how well he played in OT.
This x10
The Thornton hate is rediculous. I just love that all these people are CONVINCED they are better judges of how much a player contributes and who should get minutes than Izzo.
Note: There is a reason you don’t understand why he is playing over other guys. Because you are not a college basketball coach.
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 3, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Someone needs to go to Madison
and teach a class on timekeeping/time management. Clearly an issue with their sport teams . . . . .
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 8:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Victory for MSU!
What a great time to be Spartan green! Loving it!
"It's a good time to be a Badger fan." -Bret Bielema
by spartynation on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I this weekend is a good time to be a Badger fan
I want to make sure I’m around to see when its a bad time to be a badger.
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Green has had enough hero and goat moments for a whole career
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
It is obviously required by the God's of college athletics
That MSU/Wisc games go down to the wire and have some crazy, crazy shit happen at the end involving officials
This win impresses me, not that I wasn't already somewhat impressed
but I was waiting to see if they could actually pull off a win at Kohl. Of course Iowa winning lessens that a bit but clearly this team is going to have something to say about the Big Ten Champs this year.
No kidding.
I wasn’t an MSU fan during the Flintstones run (didn’t start at MSU until 2003, lived in MN until then), so I don’t have that point of comparison, but I get the sense that this team is as good as the ‘08-’09 team, maybe better.
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This says it all
Joe Rexrode
I’m not big on the ref complaints. But wow.
that team sucks gonads
then Taylor went all Teen Wolf and Green had a Maui flashback
it would’ve been awful to lose that
They suck
OVERRATED!
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
Why do sports fans always say that after beating someone?
It’s like you’re saying we’re not that good.
by lesmanalim on Jan 3, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no
they were picked 2nd in the B1G
higher ranked
constant slurping of Bo and Taylor
after watching this team play, I can’t figure out why
they should’ve been blown out of their own musty building
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
I agree with lesmanalim here.
That Wisconsin team is very good.
And sure, it’s okay to think they suck. But, if we only beat them after a 3-pointer was disallowed, wouldn’t we kinda suck then too?
by The Birchman on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
why are they interviewing
The discount double check guy in the postgame?
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
We beat the kenpom #1!
How in the world was Wisconsin #1 in at least one respected computer ranking, even after the Iowa loss?
It's based on scoring margin, adjusted for pace and strength of opponent.
Wisconsin’s blown out a bunch of mediocre teams, all the losses have been close. W-L record is completely irrelevant to his methods – assuming equivalent schedule and pace, one 34 point win and four 1-point losses are equivalent to five 6-point wins.
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Yeah
They’re like the semi-smart kid that turns in tons of extra credit assignments because they really can’t ace the math final. Or something like that.
They’re good. Vegas had them as 6.5 point favorites for a reason. They just, obviously, aren’t #1 good.
And I still think, after watching this game, that Wisconsin is REALLY good.
They play ugly (when HAVEN’T they?) and it looks sloppy. But the fact of the matter is they play really good defense, they’re efficient, and go as Jordan Taylor goes. Sure they look terrible from beyond the arc, but if they experience any uptick in their 3-pt. shooting, they’re really scary.
by The Birchman on Jan 3, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wish I could have watched
Was following the game here in India on the radio feed and the internet goes out for a bit with 50 seconds remaining. If I had any hair, I would have pulled it out.
Delighted with the win.
950 comments on a gamethread?
We blew that thing UP
by MSUDersh on Jan 3, 2012 8:34 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Let's reflect for a minute
This team just did something that teams that won conference championships and went to Final Fours never did.
And afterward Izzo could say with a straight face that he didn’t think they played that well, and also had a legitimate beef with officiating.
This team just keeps raising its own ceiling
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 3, 2012 8:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, a win at Wisconsin against an angry Badgers team with rotten refereeing
I think it’s time to start considering us a legitimate Final Four contender.
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Didn't catch it
Just got home from work a bit ago.
Damn – I wish I’d seen it. A few days ago I said that UW doesn’t lose at Kohl. Some comment in light of reality.
Speaking of the Final Four post above
I got into it with some local Kentucky fans this weekend and said “see you in March, I like how my Spartans match up with UK”. Whaddya think? You know we have the edge in coaching, I think on guards and at least even on wings. If we could get Davis in foul trouble they’re pretty mortal, just ask Louisville.
the way we're playing
I honestly feel we could match up with anyone. I guess we’ll find out when we take on Ohio State, they’re elite. I just hope we aren’t peaking too soon, that’s a legitimate concern of mine.
I think they already HAVE and it hasn't been much of a problem.
Dawson’s been anything if consistent. Trice has been a non-factor recently.
Yet, this team continues to roll…
Pretty sure my almost heart exploded
I don’t know how much more I can take. First a triple OT bowl win then a great bball win in MADISON no less. AMAZING.
We can go 6-12 now...
And still be better than last year’s team. With a team this young that’s pretty cool I guess :)
preseason perceptions
same with Indiana. It’s always impossible to tell before the year, which is why I hate preseason polls
It has been revitalizing for him
I think he is energized as a coach this year. Last year he was drained. It all cycles around positively.
never say that.
there is only one program that you can call your least favorite B1G program: Michigan.
Did UM end our longest home winning streak on a BS after the buzzer tap in?
No.
Did UM beat us in the last game of the 03-04 season to keep us from a B1G title? No.
UW has had our number and it’s nice to cause Bo Ryan to eat some crap.
I don’t like UM hoops. I despise UW hoops.
Here’s the rule:
In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to
determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul occurred before or
after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the
officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the
red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized.
When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original
call stands.
I can’t find anything about where the game clock should be located, but it seems like it is part of the backboard apparatus. (It would be odd to require a clock that is not part of the court when everything else is part of the court.) So, one of two things happened. Either the official clock was the one on the backboard that read 0.0 or the conflict with the clock mean that the light controlled.
Stop the Show I Can't Take No Mo!!
How about a five game suspension for Ryan after that outburst? Do we at least get another Dance of Joy? Or maybe the Victory Aardvaark from Bless You Boys?
@JasonAndreas44 Jason Andreas
Haha, fuck you Bo Ryan
by SpartanBoiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
weird quote from Bo Ryan
Bo Ryan: “Sometimes payback is payback. What are you gonna do? Violence is out of the question. They all sting to me.”
nobody knows what it means
but it’s provocative, and it gets the people going! (Will Ferrell, Blades of Glory)
I've always thought
that Bo Ryan looked like a mobster.
Maybe we will get some fishes wrapped in a suit?
another quote from Joe Rexrode
Referee Pat Driscoll on decision: “By rule, we have to go by the clock on the backboard. I don’t know why there would be different (times).”
by my2fish on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Whoa!
over 1,000 comments
a lot of people really hate Bucky
Nice.
I hope The Journey is documenting this
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
Doubt it'll be this one
I think they were at the IU game
maybe next weeks ep
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
I think he's saying
“The refs gave us pretty much every questionable call in that game until the very end when they finally got one right and it went against us. What are you gonna do, beat up the refs because they made the right call after screwing those other guys all night? Every loss stings, especially when we can’t win 8 against 5”.
That’s my take, anyway.
why yes, I'm slightly drunk at the moment
by Mark in Chicago on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I actually think you deciphered that
Do you work for the CIA?
Actually, that DOES kinda make sense.
I was guess I was just expecting sour grapes from Bo and maybe the affected my ability to understand his… Uhh… Graciousness?
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