No More Kohl Curse: Michigan State 63, Wisconsin 60, OT
by SpartanDan on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 PM CST
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Beating Wisconsin in the Kohl Center? Yeah, that's good enough reason for this video to make a quick return:
Apart from the usual Wisconsin pace (66 possessions even with the extra five minutes, equating to about 59 in regulation; Statsheet doesn't have anything up yet, so I'm going on the CBS boxscore), this could hardly have been more of a thriller. Neither team led by more than five in regulation. For most of the first half, Wisconsin held a lead as neither team could consistently make layups. After trailing 22-21 at the half, MSU spent most of the first few minutes trading buckets (and the lead) before a Derrick Nix layup with 14 minutes to go put the Spartans up 32-31. Michigan State would not trail the rest of the way, although there would be four more ties.
When Draymond Green picked up his fourth foul with nine minutes to go, Keith Appling took control with eight points in the next six minutes. Unfortunately, the Spartans could not pull away, as Jordan Taylor matched him basket for basket, at one point scoring 12 of Wisconsin's points in a row. MSU's shots went cold again in the final three minutes, and Wisconsin came back from down 50-45 to get Taylor to the free throw line with 36 seconds left and a chance to take the lead. He made the first but missed the second, and after a flurry of timeouts and Wisconsin's spare fouls (they had only been whistled for four to that point, astoundingly none in the first 11 minutes of the half - even Coach Izzo made mention of some disagreements with the refereeing after the game) Appling's off-balance jumper would not go.
In the extra frame, Green hit four free throws in the first minute, matched by two from Taylor and a Ryan Evans layup. MSU would score the next seven points - two Nix baskets, an Appling free throw, and two more FTs from Green - to take a 61-54 lead into the final 30 seconds. Then, for a moment, it seemed that the Kohl Center's magic had returned, as Taylor sank consecutive threes (including a deep, guarded bomb) sandwiching two Appling free throws to cut it to 63-60. With 10 seconds left, Green missed two free throws to give Wisconsin a chance. Taylor was unable to convert a third three-pointer, but Evans got the rebound and quickly dribbled out behind the arc. Evans's shot banked high off the glass and in, and the referees initially counted it, but replay showed that the ball was still in his hands when the backboard clock read 0.0 and the red light came on. Bizarrely, the clock on the display boards around the edges of the arena was not synced with the backboard clock and showed 0.1 left when the ball left Evans's hands, but the referees correctly ruled that the backboard clock was official and the shot was waved off.
Player notes and four factors after the jump.
I'll add the Four Factors graph when Statsheet has it. For now: (Edit: I've got it!- PR)
eFG%: MSU 41.7% (22/55 on 2s, 2/5 on 3s); Wisc 38.0% (13/32 on 2s, 5/22 on 3s)
OR%: MSU 40% (12/30), Wisc 25.7% (9/35)
TO%: Both teams 12.1% (8 TOs each)
FTR: MSU 33.3 (14/20 from the line), Wisconsin 50 (19/27 from the line)
Just like their loss to Iowa this past weekend, Wisconsin bombed away from behind the arc and could not cash in. Both teams took care of the ball well, but MSU's second chances on the glass were enough to offset the big edge Wisconsin held in free throws for most of the game.
Player Notes
Draymond Green: Another quiet double-double: 18 points (albeit on 19 shots + 6/8 FT shooting), 14 rebounds (4 OR), 2 assists. Played the last few minutes of regulation plus overtime with four fouls. Not especially efficient, but came through with 6 points in OT (all on free throws). Did miss the last two that had a chance to put the game permanently out of reach, though.
Keith Appling: The other big scorer on the night, with 16 points (on 14 shots + 3/4 FT shooting), 4 rebounds, 2 assists. Appling was the key contributor for most of the second half.
Derrick Nix: 8 points, four in OT, 4 boards and a block. Had some trouble getting shots to fall early, but then so did everyone. Managed to avoid foul trouble, which is nice on a night when Green, Adreian Payne, and Austin Thornton all had four in regulation (Appling picked up two in OT to join them).
All in all, a win at the Kohl Center (our first since Bo Ryan took over there), our 14th in a row on the year, and a 3-0 start in the Big Ten (which Michigan and Purdue will have a chance to match on Thursday) despite starting with two ranked teams in those three? That's something worth dancing for joy about.
Next up: Iowa at the Breslin Center, next Tuesday at 7:00 ET.
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this teams ceiling is so high
it is unbelievable. then look ahead at some of the recruits we have coming in next year and at a few of the kids we’re pursuing this year and it’s hard not to get super excited for the future of spartan basketball. we have such a great chance of getting izzo his second title.
Four Factors Graph Up - Linky.
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NCAA Basketball
Nope
But you should be able to see it in the post now.
by Pete Rossman on Jan 3, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Statsheet apparently differed from the CBS boxscore on a few things.
Probably team rebounds (which I don’t think were included on CBS).
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Impressed by MSU...
Had everything that could go against them in that game go against them – but never hung their heads and never quit – just kept chugging along and pulled out the W. Props to them.
great win.
But I thought Green just threw the ball in the last 2 FT’s. Could have taken more time to hit one of the two.But Great win never the less. This team did something no MSU team has done since Bo took over.WWWWOOOOOWWWW!
Look at Bo’s face was awesome!
New class in Wisconsin athletics for next fall.
“TIme Management”
This is a pretty nice amount of payback when you think about it
How many times have we been kicked in the nads by Bo and the Floppers? How disprespectful has Bret “bag of donuts” and his players been the last couple of seasons? Do you know how many Floppers are on my all time hate list? Anyone remember Brian Butch? HATED HIM. Jason Bohannon? BARF!!! And now this Brusiwitz or whatever. AAAHHHHGGGG!!!!
Serioiusly, their footballl team runs their mouths about a hail mary/fluke play to win the game in EL only to win the Big 10 championshiop on about 12 hail maries and a weak ass roughing the kicker call.
Anyone remember the 08 Big 10 tourney game? On, yeah. I do.
I hope the Floppers and their fans are so ass-chapped over this loss that they can’t sleep for days. I hope this dents the hell out of their shot at winning the conference.
NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS B#$&*S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Floppers!!
Amen brother! I kept yelling at the tv last night that I felt like Wiscy’s defensive strategy was buzz cuts and flops.
Bo is another win at home, never do anything in the tournament on a neutral floor coach. Even with the BS technical they couldn’t win.
yuuuuuup
Agree agree agree. I literally saw Brusiwitz walking out of Silver Mine subs later on in the evening. I was waiting for him to just fall down as a gust of wind came by.
Yeah man
I’m really starting to hate Wisconsin, and this feels great. I love that Bo Ryan has not gotten past the Elite 8, serves him right for insisting on playing the most infuriatingly boring and cheap brand of basketball out there.
And I do think this knocks them out of the Big Ten race essentially. In the Big Ten, you’ve gotta win home games, especially against the lower half of the conference, which I would bet Iowa finishes in. Wisconsin depends more than most on home wins, it always seems, so I think this is a killer.
Underrated development
Keith played with those 2 fouls in the 1st half and managed to not get the 3rd for a long stretch. With those refs that’s simply amazing.
He’s really starting to emerge.
Of course that was necessary because 2T’s has really really been quiet lately.
I hope the week off helps him get back into the groove he was in.
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
Damn straight
Appling’s on the cusp of becoming an assasin. And Nix is moving along quickly too. That move he made (when Day-Day was called for the foul because one of their cupcakes pulled that Euro-soccer player bs) was ice cold.
Appling's development as a crunch-time scorer has been fun to watch
I kind of dismissed his end-of-game performance vs. Duke as coming in quasi-garbage time, but he’s come up with the goods several times since then. He was money tonight while Green was on the bench with four fouls.
I don’t like to second-guess Coach Izzo too often but I did not agree at all with that timeout with 4.4 seconds left in regulation. We’ll never know, but I suspect the shot that Appling would have gotten in the flow of the game would have been better than the actual shot he got at the end of regulation.
Hey! I'm tryin' to eat lunch here!
Also
I loved the way Appling answered with a 3 in the 2nd half right after they tied the game with a 3 of their own. Huge shot that quickly quieted the crowd and potentially stopped a run by them.
"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe
by Ducking Delvon on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
waiting for
when at crunch time Appling drives and is able to dish to Draymond (since all will forget about him when the realize how damn good Appling is). Then we can really dominate.
Appling and Nix
Are just great together. A lot of chemistry built up between the two over the years.
Izzo: "We've got a 14 game winning streak and I still think we're average"
And the entire team errupts in Cheers. Clear he’s got them bought in to getting better every day and doing what it takes to become a great team.
I said last night this team’s ceiling just keeps getting higher.
by trivialstuff16 on Jan 4, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
It's so refreshing to know that
everyone on this team has bought in. I know that we’re all so in love with these team because of the stark contrast to last year’s squad but you really can see the team improving each game. This team is not resting on its laurels.
Of course, I have a few worries:
1. Has Trice hit the freshmen wall, much like Nix and Sherman did their 1st year?
2. Will Payne continue to improve as a defender and learn to not pick up silly fouls as often?
3. What is the offensive ceiling for Branden Dawson? If it’s 8 PPG, I don’t know that this team has a B1G championship run in them. Gonna need some serious scoring out of guys other than Green and Appling to win these B1G road games.
Regardless, it’s hard not to get reallly, really excited about this team simply because we should expect to improve as the season goes on and we’re already 14-2. To me, our shot at winning the B1G comes down to 4 road games: @ Michigan, @ Illinois, @ Purdue, and @ Indiana. If we are to win this conference, we must split those (2-2). Period. I just can’t see OSU losing more than three conf. games and I would say it’s a virtual certainty that we lose in Columbus.
Have faith, brother!
The buckeyes already lost one and they still have one game against Indiana, 2 vs us and 2 vs the floppers. Hell, if Illinois decides they want it they can be a pretty good team too. Winning this game is huge for the conference race.
Answers, maybe
1. Maybe, but we have at least 3 other guys that can bring the ball up the floor. If Trice comes off the bench with energy, plays good D, doesn’t turn the ball over and makes his free throws…great.
2. The quickness that Nix has developed since losing the weight, yes I said quickness, has made him into a much better all around defender. I don’t know if Payne needs to gain some of that weight (get stronger), but he made some smart defensive plays by just being in the right place and making the offensive player alter his shot without going for the highlight block, that show he’s learning.
3. This season he will have a 20 point game. He’s just getting a feel for not always being the man and not playing against high school kids. He shows his combination of strength and speed every now and then, Izzo will figure out how to use him more.
OSU is still a very good team, who is probably re-focused now that they’ve lost, everyone else seems to rely pretty heavily on the 3, and as Wisconsin is showing us that has its downside.
Payne
I thought he showed a lot of poise on defense last night, and had an overall great game. Our front court is a serious strength this season.
Payne is improving before our eyes
Nix, too, and it’s a beautiful thing to watch. They are playing as well as, if not better than, anybody could have expected at this point. I’m still concerned about front court depth though. Hopefully, if need be, Draymond can play down low on offense at some point this season. He makes up for the lack of height with his strength.
So much redemption
I’m really trying to sit back and enjoy this one for a minute and forget about stats, refs, and playcalls. Over the last 11 seasons, MSU has had some very good moments against Wisconsin (the win when they were #1, the crazy comeback last year, current 6-game winning streak at home), but the overriding narrative of the rivalry consisted of 2 things: (1) the stomach punches they always seemed to give our team and fanbase; and (2) Bo’s dominance over Izzo at the Kohl Center. To finally get that stupid monkey off our back, and to do so by giving them a gut punch for the ages … well that just feels really good.
"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe
I was waaaaaaay up in Section 306, Row K
But the view was actually pretty awesome, you could see everything. Some Observations:
1. The place was pretty dead. Between the students being gone, and the Rose Bowl loss last night, it felt like just a bunch of old people who weren’t really into the game. The spattering of Spartan fans throughout the arena were by far the rowdiest throughout most of the game (until the last 5 min). This would have been a great game for the Izzone to take a road trip.
2. The refs seriously had it in for us tonight. I went to the game with 3 neutral people, a CU fan, a Duke fan, and we were all appalled at some of the stuff they called. Many of the Bucky fans sitting by me even agreed that over half of those calls were BS. It was, however, funny to see an Illini and Duke fan (who lost a bet and had to dress in full on Spartan gear) defend MSU so passionately.
3. One of the reasons for the questionable officiating though, i believe, is that the crowd in general absolutely freaked any time a foul WASN’T called. They’d start jeering at the refs and rabble rabble rabbling. Could the consistency of this outrage (it was timid tonight, but I can only imagine what happens when the students are there) effect some of the calls? Who knows.
4. Austin Thornton looked better in real life than on TV. I was definitely a detractor in one of the earlier posts on this site, but the little things he’s doing off the ball, that don’t show up on TV, are very positive. Plus he had some clutch rebounds late in the second half.
5. Appling is a real-deal PG and will only get better. His energy and speed seems to feed the intensity of our team, even when we’re playing a bunch of clod-hoppers like UW.
So much love for this team, let’s hope we follow Izzo tradition and hit our true peak in March. Go Green!!!
One other thing that was hilarious...
As my friends and I were making for the exits (things obviously got pretty nasty once they finally showed the replay at the end) we heard some other Spartan fans yelling things about how the Keith Nichol Replay Keeps Wisconsin Honest!!! or something like that. it was pretty great.
Good Comments
1. Maybe if Wilson wouldn’t have spiked the ball with :02 seconds they wouldn’t have been so down about the Rose Bowl loss. Fitting end for their football team who didn’t deserve to be in the Rose Bowl anyway. Great time to play at the Kohl Center but that is not my problem. Our Alumni showed up in force for a Big College Basketball against Indiana last week and theirs could have done the same.
2. Refs were atrocious Appling and Day Day drew contact going to the basket every time and it was never called…meanwhile Jordan Taylor uses his patented stiff arm and they called it on us every time.
4. Thorton went beast mode on a few rebounds at the end there.
5. I am loving on how Appling is coming along he hits a three here and there but is creating his own offense off the dribble getting to the hole and finishing, which is filling the void Lucas left. He is also already a better defender than Lucas he continues to work on his shot he’s going to be a great one. The kid is tough as hell.
Bo Ryan is a turd who chokes in the tourney glad to get that monkey off our back. I think we seriously have a shot at the Big Ten title with this win here GO GREEN!!!!
On point #5
What I love about Appling is that the dribble drive doesn’t come into play until later in the game. Like a good PG, he’s giving his teammates the opportunity to score, probing the defense, and finding the hot hands. The problem with KL was that the drive to the rim was his first instinct. With Appling, he doesn’t start until he’s had time to read the defense, let the other team rack up some fouls, and waits for the call from coach that it’s time for him to close out the game. While he could push the ball and score all day, it’s pointless if he doesn’t take the time to get the rest of the team in rhythm.
Lucas
I think we have to remember that Lucas was a pivotal player for this program, who provided us all with a lot of enjoyment. Also, Lucas scored in a lot of ways Appling has not developed yet.
Lucas had the pull up jumper, the quick release 3 off the bounce or catch and shoot, the floater in the lane, and the signature (at least once a game) spectacular layup that he would some how finish when half his body seemed on the other side of the basket. Just did a better job of finding holes in the defense.
Right now Appling is pretty dependent on the three with time or driving all the way to the hoop and using athleticism at the rim. Go Green! Blair White!
Lucas was an incredible player...
and you’d need a sheet of legal sized paper to list his tools and accomplishments. I remember those pull up jumpers and floaters that seemed to hang in the air and get sucked into the net like it was a black hole. At the moment, I don’t think Appling has anywhere near the finesse that KL brought to the game. I was more commenting on the way that the PG’s decisions impact the flow of the game. A PG with the ability to score like either of those two is a tremendous asset to the team. However, I think it’s an asset best used in moderation. When you know you’re up against a score-first PG, it’s pretty easy to figure out where you need to put the defense’s focus. Whether it’s Appling deciding to restrain himself, or a coaching decision to make him restrain himself… It’s working very well.
I Love Lucas
I wasn’t discrediting anything regarding Lucas’s game offensively, and Appling needs to continue to develop his offensive game to get in the same league with him. Lucas was tough and clutch as hell too, and brought us quite a few banners.
I am just saying they way Appling is developing is helping us fill that void he left, and Appling is already a better defender.
#4
Those two rebounds were the plays of the game. Remember all those people in that Thornton article last week who were saying he’s never won us a game? Well in my opinion he’s won us the last two. Appling may have gotten the key points, but if Thornton hadn’t gotten those rebounds, it wouldn’t have mattered.
If anything...
Him going out there and busting his ass for 25 minutes a game sets an example for the young ones. Teaches them that you can come in with all the talent in the world, but unless you’re giving it 110% your ass rides the pine. It’s nice to have a little squirrel to run in among the trees for a rebound.
The second one particularly.
Seemed like an awkward deflection that he had to snap-react to. If he didn’t time it perfectly, it probably would have caromed to Wisconsin.
Thornton
I’ve been on of his big detractors on here, and I’ll give him props for his recent play. Starting with UALR, it seems like AT has completely changed his game on both ends of the floor for the better.
I’ve said it before & will say it again, the two things he does best are FTs, and aggresively pursue long 50/50 type rebounds, and he’s been excelling there recently.
It’s almost like his role has been converted from supposed spot up shooter, to hustle guy, and I’m loving it. When he’s on the floor with guys like Appling, Wood, DayDay & Nix, he isn’t needed to score, all four of the aforementioned can put the ball in the basket. I’m glad that the staff has finally found a way to use him as an asset.
Agreed, whole-heartedly.
Sometimes it can be particulary valuable to have a guy on offense who just moves the ball around, uses very few possessions (be it turnovers or shots), and who can be relied on to get possessions back every so often.
He’ll never set the world on fire with his offensive prowess — this we know. What he CAN do, though, is be a net positive whenever he’s on the floor, just by rebounding, playing defense and being efficient. With the depth of scoring on this team, that can go a long way.
by The Birchman on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I actually have a ton of respect for Duke fans after going to the Final Four in Indy
They and us were the only ones cheering in line for 8+ hours, they gave us props for some of our cheers(they especially liked “Go Green. Go white.” Butler and WVU fans just said “stop cheering”, Duke fans tried to outdo us, then we tried to outdo them, it was a lot of fun with them.
Then, to show our goodwill, we brought the Duke fans at the very front of the line some donuts before the championship game and then the entire line of Duke fans started cheering “Go green. go white.”
TL;DR: Hate the media’s love affair, not Duke itself.
Under the Radar
So, is this team under the radar? With 14 straight wins, 2 of them over conference contenders, 1 at possibly the toughest conference venue at which to get a win, in the top 15 nationally. Its only January!!!
technically not the toughest place to play anymore...
The Breslin Center is. See Ducking Delvon’s fanpost about it.
Not actually yet.
They are 96-13 (.8807) at Kohl
We are 95-13 (.8796) at Breslin since Kohl opened.
Technically they are ahead .881 to .880. If we beat Iowa in the next game we’re tied (since their next game is at UM).
Current standings
Breslin: 96-13 (counting IU win)
Kohl: 96-14 (counting Iowa and MSU losses)
Technically, that’s a half-game lead heading into next week’s Iowa game, but we are now a game up in the loss column.
"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe
by Ducking Delvon on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
RE: under the radar
I think that MSU is getting love on CBS (seems like Gary Parrish & Jeff Goodman are tight with Izzo, given the access TI gives them to the program), but on the rare occassion I watch any ESPN besides a game/Mike & Mike simulcast as I get ready in the morning, there still is no Spartans love on there.
I live in Chicago, where there is a ton of B1G alumni from all the schools, and it still feels like nobody is talking hoops yet except the tOSU & Purdue people, so all the CBB conversations gravitate towards those two schools for now.
I expect that once CFB season ends, there will suddenly be a bright national spotlight on Spartan hoops.
Oh Indiana people talking CBB too
but they only ever talk hoops. U-M people still have their Hoke hard on, Illini people are walking around in a Zook induced daze, Minnesota people keep talking about how their FB squad ran the show in the pre-WWII era, PSU people are still trying to figure out what will happen with their FB program, NW people only speak in weird computer programming lingo, Iowa people are on meth, and I don’t really know any Cornhuskers.
Haven’t encountered any Badgers yet – they seem to be a split second late to everything right now.
Wisconsin: The Land That Time Forgot
Or the land that forgot time?
by Herrcastro on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Husker fans are still waiting for Tommie Frazier Jr. to sign his letter of intent.
https://twitter.com/#!/SpartanKC
Resume so far:
Away wins over KenPom #2 Wisconsin and #23 Gonzaga.
Home winds over KenPom #9 Indiana and #40 Florida State.
We’re only three games in to Big Ten Play.
This could be a special season.
I'd say the DOJ is appropriate
for any win against a ranked Wisconsin team at the Kohl Center. Appling is really settling into the role of both primary scoring option and point guard. I think he could still stand to cut down a little more on the turnovers, and could improve in the area of dishing assists, but he is excellent defensively and is scoring efficiently. I really thought we’d miss Lucas more than we have to date.
Nix really looks like he’s turned the corner. He’s been rebounding well, scoring opportunistically, and playing very good defense. Payne is a little more mercurial at this point – he has his good games and his bad games – but for a sophmore big man he’s making pretty good strides. Thornton seems to have finally gotten over the live-game shooting jitters. You could sing Green’s praises virtually every night – he’s steady Eddie, except for those games when he has an offensive explosion.
I continue to be impressed with the defense this team is playing. So far we’ve only allowed 2 teams, neither of them ranked (or a real threat to win the game), to score more than a point per possession. We look capable of challenging for the league title.
65 possession game
And that was in overtime!!! I swear, Bo Ryan sets college hoops back 50 years. I bet if the shot clock didn’t exist, all he would recruit are crafty dribblers who never turn it over, and his games would be 12 possession barnburners.
Basically, they would look like the Harlem Globetrotters pre Sweet River Baines
Long-time reader, first time caller...
This game finally drove me to sign up and start posting on here.
If there is one thing that has really struck me this year, it’s how much Nix and AP are FIGHTING for position in the low post. There have been very few easy feeds inside with the player’s back to the basket. If that scrap down low costs us a couple of fouls a game… I’m all for it.
Also, I think we would greatly benefit from exploiting some of the cuts to the basket that Dawson has been making. I know we’ve really cut back on the turnovers this year (partially by not going for the flashy play), but there have been several occasions when he has slashed to the basket with his hand up in the air, only to get clogged up at the baseline. He’s proven that he’s got the speed, the hops, and the muscle to get it done around the rim, now he just needs the confidence that comes with his teammates dishing him the ball early and letting him go to work.
Just want to add that you guys are doing fantastic work over here. GO GREEN!
by Herrcastro on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think he sets it back more than 50 years
In ‘61-’62 I think they were playing faster than 60 possessions per game. And that was before the shot clock.
by TheCrestedHelm on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Welcome to TOC!
I agree I’m lovin’ me some Nix this year and AP is really developing well, we really needed him to develop a better post game and get stronger. It was too bad he had that back injury last year before the season started and couldn’t really do that.
Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand - Kurt Vonnegut
Agreed
I would love to see him bring a jump hook into the equation, because I don’t think he has the body right now to really back people down. I do think, with his body like it is right now, that we need to create more opportunities to catch him in motion to the basket. He shouldn’t need to put the ball on the floor much when he can let his length and athleticism do the work for him.
The Jud rule comes back to help us
Kenny Anderson (Georgia Tech) drains a trey to screw Jud out of the 1990 final four after the buzzer. No rule existed to review the video. 1987 Kansas game for another time clock screw job.
Bo Cryin – priceless!
This team is becoming special and fun to watch.
Yes!
This was the first thing I thought of while they were reviewing it: “Don’t let it happen again, Don’t let it happen again…” I guess the basketball gods work in mysterious ways sometimes.
"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe
by Ducking Delvon on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
No it doesn't
And the good folks over at @BigTenNetwork agree, too:
People in BTN studios are still talking about Appling’s filthy crossover from last night: http://bit.ly/z6iMBZ #spartans
Evans backpedaling on the fake
Simply a thing of beauty. It’s like watching a batter’s knees buckle on a Verlander curve that starts at his head and crosses for a strike.
"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe
by Ducking Delvon on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I couldn't believe this wasn't on that certain networks top 10 plays this morning
Finishing the play with a lefty shot after making the move with his left hand was sweet.
Hey Bo Ryan - you mad bro?
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by Spartan D on Jan 4, 2012 1:50 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I think that's about as good as I've seen Bo Ryan ever look
I hope he sports that expression at the end of every game we play against his teams from here on out. Love the huge smile on the one MSU fan in the background.
by TheCrestedHelm on Jan 4, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah love that look
Just like the song says, “He’s as cuddly as a cactus.”
Also, you know somewhere, that booster in the sweatshirt on the left is cursing how quickly the internet spreads pictures around the world.
You could take a candid shot of Tom and have a similar unflattering face captured...
but something about Ryan…he just looks vicious (near I say evil) every time I see him.
I don’t watch a lot of UW hoops (too busy watching stalactites form) but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him smile or a picture of him smiling (that shows true joy and not just a shit eating smirk).
here's a .gif version, too
he was dropping some serious F-bombs at the refs.
by my2fish on Jan 4, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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Clock issues
I guess I forgot to set my DVR to record + half hour in case of OT, but I noticed this from when Appling took the last shot in regulation:
My understanding is, the TV feed uses the same systems to receive clock info as the rest of the stadium. The weird thing is, before this play, both the backboard clock & the one on the TV read 4.4 seconds, but now that the play has started, they are clearly off by ~0.2 seconds.
That's interesting
I wonder what happens if you do a frame-by-frame look starting at 4.4 seconds. And also whether the TV clock shows 0.2 at the time the red light comes on on the backboard.
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by Ducking Delvon on Jan 5, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Ask & ye shall receive!
Here it is right after being inbounded – both clocks read 4.4 when Dawson threw it in:
On this one, note that the difference is now 0.3, so the clocks were between 0.2 – 0.3 seconds off:
And finally, the buzzer:
Watching in frame-by-frame, it did show 0.3 on TV clock when the red light went on, but for some reason, my comcast/xfinity DVR wouldn’t freeze that frame.
On a related note, while working from home is totally awesome, it also leads itself to unproductive tangents on TOC & the kindle.
by MSUDersh on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Great stuff
And yes, if I worked from home, that’s pretty much exactly what I’d be doing as well. I still find it bizarre that the clocks would match up at 4.4 and then immediately get out of sync when it’s inbounded. I get the explanation that there’s a lag to the video board, etc, but if there’s a lag, why did they match up at 4.4?
"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe
by Ducking Delvon on Jan 5, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
My guess is...
… When the clock stops, the scoreboard just takes an extra .2 seconds to stop at the same time. It wouldn’t stop immediately and leave that .2 difference — t would keep going to reflect what’s on the backboard clock. At least, that’s what my estimation would be.
That makes sense
And somehow, I deleted the game just now from my living room so won’t be able to go back & look any further, at say, how the clocks were synced in final minute of the first half.
My guess is that it's a display delay issue.
The backboard clock uses 7-segment display (which tends to be both very fast switching and very simple logic), the ring display uses a different technology which has a prettier display but probably more complicated logic and a higher turn on/off delay. (Tenths of a second would surprise me – that’s a refresh of 4-5 Hz, most displays are more like 60 Hz – but it’s not impossible.)
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