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Weekend Recap: Hoops Wins at OSU, Hockey Splits with Michigan

First things first: a dramatic come-from-behind victory against our biggest rival in hockey and a road win at the #3 team in the nation to tie up the Big Ten race both deserve this:


First, basketball: Not enough can be said about the spectacular defensive effort today. When you hold a team to fewer made baskets (14) than turnovers (15), you usually win. Jared Sullinger got his (17 points on 15 shots + 8 free throws, 16 rebounds, but 10 turnovers in the process), and Aaron Craft added 15 points (more than half of which came from the free throw line), but they got no help offensively from anyone else; Deshaun Thomas and William Buford each went 2 of 12 from the floor. Interior defense in particular came up big; Keith Appling, Adreian Payne, Brandon Wood, and Austin Thornton each got credit for a steal on Sullinger, and Payne drew at least one charge as well.

Offensively, it was the Adreian Payne show: 15 points (6 for 6 shooting, including a couple of thunderous tip-dunks) in just 20 minutes. Ohio State had no answer for Payne down low. Appling added 14 (but had 7 turnovers and no assists). Draymond Green came up one rebound short of yet another double-double (12 points, 9 boards). Derrick Nix added a couple of nice hook shots (6 points), and Branden Dawson and Brandon Wood helped clean up the glass (8 and 7 rebounds, respectively; 5 of Dawson's on the offensive end). A couple of long droughts in the second half let Ohio State get as close as four, but everybody chipped in a few points to pull away again: Appling, Nix, Payne, and Green each contributed two points to widen the lead back out to 10 with three minutes to go.

Four factors chart:

Rebounding and turnovers were both fairly close; at the risk of being Captain Obvious, FG% was the big difference. Ohio State had not been held below 42% eFG this season; we held them below 30%. Only Kansas had held their efficiency below 0.95 PPP; we held them to 0.75.

With six games to go in conference play, we're tied with the Buckeyes, and Michigan and Wisconsin sit one game back. It's going to be a wild finish.

Hockey weekend recap after the jump.

Star-divide

Michigan came into this weekend on a huge roll, 10-1-2 in their last 13 (although losing the shootouts in both ties). Midway through Friday's game, it looked as though that streak would continue, as A.J. Treais and Kevin Lynch had scored second-period goals to stake Michigan to a 2-0 lead. But Torey Krug answered two minutes later to cut the deficit to 2-1 heading into the third.

Special teams was the story of the third period. Michigan's Phil Di Giuseppe got called for boarding just 27 seconds in, and Krug quickly took advantage, burying his second goal of the night to tie the game at 1:26. Two minutes later, Derek DeBlois would get sent to the box for tripping, and MSU cashed in again with a nice pass from Krug to Matt Berry catching Shawn Hunwick out of position and giving the Spartans a lead they would not relinquish. Things got interesting late as MSU had to kill off an elbowing penalty on Brett Perlini, but the PK unit (ranked second nationally at over 89% success after Saturday's game) held firm. This win vaulted the Spartans all the way from 7th to a tie for 3rd in the CCHA.

Saturday began with another goal from Treais putting Michigan ahead 1-0 just after the midpoint of the first period. Greg Wolfe answered for MSU at the 3:32 mark of the second period. Special teams again gave MSU the lead; with Zach Hyman in the box for running over Will Yanakeff after the play, Perlini went top shelf from a sharp angle to put the Spartans ahead 2-1. But Treais's third goal of the weekend put the teams back on level terms two minutes later after a defensive breakdown by MSU.

The remainder of the second period and the first 10 minutes or so of the third were rather uneventful. A flurry of Michigan State chances led to a hooking penalty on Luke Moffatt and another power-play chance with six minutes left, but they could not cash in this time. Michigan had the run of play in the end of regulation, but after MSU had hit the post at least twice earlier in the game, Michigan returned the favor and the game remained tied. Another defensive breakdown proved costly in overtime, however, as Matt Crandell laid out to block a pass but the puck still got through to Kevin Lynch, who went far side for the game-winner, dropping us back to a tie for 5th (at the time of writing, Lake Superior State is trailing at Alaska; if they win or force a shootout, we'll drop to 6th). Top 5 get a bye in the first round of the conference playoffs (5th has to go on the road in the quarterfinals, however).

Special teams have been excellent of late, with the power play going 3 of 8 this weekend and the penalty kill running its successful kill streak up to 20; continuing that into next weekend's series with Alaska would be very helpful, as our series with the Nanooks tend to be very chippy.

On the whole, a split against the team ranked #3 nationally coming in can't really be considered a bad weekend. With the late games still to come, we've moved up from 13th after last weekend to 10th in the Pairwise. Ferris State has pulled away with the conference lead, but beyond that it's anyone's game: if Alaska holds on over Lake State, the gap between "home ice for the quarterfinals" and "on the road in the first round" will be just three points with two weekends to go (and that with the team sitting in 4th - Ohio State - having a bye next week and thus only two games left).

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So impressed with the cagers

Fully anticipated a hard fought loss today, but the guys really pulled through. Did an amazing defensive job and enough offensively. The offensive AND defensive progression of Payne and Dawson over the course of the season has me drooling. That first shot that Payne hit on the baseline from 15 feet forced me to change my pants. Sullinger is going to be seeing #5 in his nightmares for at least a couple of weeks.

by RoninX on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

PS

Also, Thornton was amazing tonight – or rather, played exactly as I want to see him play. Continued to be a key cog in our defensive rotations, took open shots fairly decisively (and didn’t hold the ball and stall the ball rotation when he wasn’t going to shoot), boxed out and got a few big boards.

by RoninX on Feb 12, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus

Thornton actually showed some decent ball handling today.

by Loneytunes on Feb 12, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

impressed with AT's understanding of his role

took a few shots, both good ones. Tough D, solid rebounding. two hands on loose balls. all of those little things. Changing from an AT hater and he’s earning his increased playing time.

by Thibtw on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

really love the hockey analyses on here

Like what you guys are doing. Great basketball win as well as some good hockey over the weekend, good time to be a spartan.

by chuggingspartan on Feb 12, 2012 12:19 AM CST reply actions  

Wish more games were on TV so I'd have a chance to do that more often.

1000 miles is a bit too much of a commute to go see games live.

Once the picture clears up a little more (which may not be until the CCHA regular season is over, the way things are going) I’m going to try to at least do a Pairwise review and rooting interests post each week. Wasn’t any need for it last year, sadly, as the only way we were making the tournament was to win the CCHA tourney.

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by SpartanDan on Feb 12, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow What a Game

Missed it because of work. Taped it and threatened anybody who may have ruined it for me. First: Payne. This is what we need from him, I think he should be scoring in double digits every game frankly, he’s got such great length and athleticism.

Nix also played decently, nowhere near Payne’s level but still a good game. Green didn’t play so hot at times, but he did his job and I wish he’d gotten one more rebound.

Trice didn’t play so well, but at least he didn’t get hurt on that one play. Great job by him getting the assist there.

This is twice in a row now that Payne and Nix have shown up against Sullinger. Can’t wait to see how they stack up against other bigs in the tourney.

by Loneytunes on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 AM CST reply actions  

Appling vs Craft

Wow, in early December I was wondering if Trice really made a jump would Appling play half his minutes at the 2? Appling has really grown as a point guard. Trice looked overwhelmed by Craft’s defense but despite the turnovers, Appling held his own against Craft’s very tough defense. Even without assists, Appling really made a big difference in initiating our offense and keeping it going. Only 8 assists total on 20 some made baskets for the game which for us is low. OSU has improved their defense a lot, not many wide open looks to be had.

Wood played 31 minutes, good help defense on Sullinger when the ball came low and also a good job on Bufurd who had just hit 29 points i think in their win against Purdue.
Rebounding of both Wood and Dawson (7 and 8 rebounds i think) helped keep offensive possessions alive plus less time for OSU to be on offense. Frankly i was surprised Green had 34 minutes, it felt like about 38 minutes watching the game.

Truly a team win – every person on the floor contributed. Payne and NIx both have grown so much and Dawson, despite only scoring 3 contributed on defense and rebounding in his 20 minutes. He will have many double doubles before he is done here but his improved defense may be the difference in a deep tourney run. Excellent team defense

5 important games before the rematch, likely we will each lose one more in those 5.
ours are all tough except Nebraska at home. Both OSU and MSU have Wisc at home and at MN, we have additional road games at Purdue and IN, they have additional road games at NW and MI
their other home game is IL who did beat them in Champaigne., however, not likely to do so at Value City

by wifeofaspartan on Feb 12, 2012 7:24 AM CST reply actions  

Craft is a really really good defender

It’s hard to get assists against him because he is literally in your shorts from the half court in. Appling played OK – he got to the rim some and chipped in scoring. I really thing against OSU you need a non-point guard who is able to initiate the offense because Craft is so disruptive. Luckily, we have one of those.

Payne was absolutely great. I think he played against Sullinger on the AAU circuit or in HS on a regular basis. He was really aggressive against them last year too, in more limited minutes. I think he wants to prove he can hang with Sullinger, which is great when we play them. Now if we can just get him to take the attitude that he’s going to outplay Sullinger every night, not just when he’s actually playing Sullinger. All in all this was a great team win – just about everyone chipped in – their top 3 players are probably a smidge better than ours, but we’re better 4-8, and everyone chipped in, which gave us the win.

The defense was absolutely fantastic. I’m not sure what we were doing from an Xs and Os standpoint but we really did a great job of keeping them from putting the ball in the bucket. I really was not expecting a win at their place. This one was definitely DOJ worthy.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 12, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Craft

Can’t deny he is a great tenacious defender and their defense really keys off him, but the amount of hand checking he is allowed to get away with is criminal. In addition he “stripped” Appling going to the basket several (3-4?) times and on the two of them they replayed he clearly contacted hand/wrist.

by RoninX on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Thoughts

I totally agree… in fact, I think that it is almost amazing what he gets away with. Don’t get me wrong—I love that kind of ball and I wish that that was the norm. However, the fact is that he is the only person on the floor who gets away with that stuff out on the perimeter. Inside there are always wrist slaps that get missed, but outside there has been a dramatic uptick in the number of wrist grabs etc. that get called— you even see it when guys are just swiping at the ball (I can think of a few of these that have been called on Branden Dawson and Keith).

But Craft gets away with so much… I think it is mostly rep— I remember last year he was much more body/feet in his defense and wasn’t swiping nearly as much, instead he would poke his hand in (like a poke check in lacrosse), but this year he is swinging his hand a lot and not getting a lot of ball…

I think reputation and the speed at which he swipes is what helps him (his hands are just moving faster than other perimeter defenders’).

by TilltheBitterEnd on Feb 12, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Craft is really good

Definitely the kind of guy you love if he’s yours and hate if he’s theirs…amazing anticipation to beat players to their favorite spot, prey on their weak hand, etc. Belongs in the lineage of Bell, Walton, Kramer, and others of great perimeter defenders in the Big Ten, all of whom were physical, quick, and smart. Appling may well get there, although he also bears so much of the offensive load that he it is unlikely he can commit the kind of energy to defense that Travis did or Craft does.

Great win and terrific preparation for tournament run. That’s three HUGE road wins this year (Gonzaga, Wisconsin and OSU), something the MSM isn’t talking about (fixated as they are on stubbing our toe at Evanston).

by RobbingGormanThomas on Feb 12, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He's better than

Walton and Kramer. I don’t remember them ever frustrating as many defenders so completely.

by Loneytunes on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you...

…he is the best of the lot. His pressure is so consistent/persistent. You could tell that he felt he had a distinct advantage on Trice and could beat TT to wherever he wanted to go. I’m a homer, but I gotta give props where they are due, and I don’t look forward to two more years of watching that kind of harassment.

by RobbingGormanThomas on Feb 12, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Walton

You are selling Walton way short. Travis guarded everyone. He was nasty, he was mean. He’d get in your head with his in your face defense and then he’d talk trash about it. He guarded Hummel (pre-injuries), he guarded Manny, he guarded taylor battle, Terrance Williams (5pts 1-7 shooting in elite 8 game). Craft is a great defender, he’s got some of the quickest hands I’ve ever seen, but Travis was unbelievable. So versatile, so tough. Craft may be a better offensive player, but he’s got a long way to go before he’s on Travis’ level in my book as a defender.

by hawks22gk on Feb 12, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Walton and Craft are comparable, but different

Craft does it with quickness. Walton was pretty quick but he relied more on brute strength. He was one of the strongest guys on the team – including bigs – for his entire playing career. He could completely outmuscle just about any perimeter player he was defending – he just had to beat guys to a spot and then get a body on them and ride them to somewhere they didn’t want to go.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

It's funny that you say we were better than them 4-8

Because they only played 7. Ha. Izzo depth will defeat Matta recruiting talent almost every time.

by Chitown Spartan on Feb 12, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't believe Matta

I mean, it’d be one thing if he didn’t have guys that could play, but thats not the case. How can he justify, or think it’s a good idea, to only play 7. He can’t have been oblivious to the fact that Izzo was going to send 10 guys out there, so he does nothing to combat that? I wonder how many guys are sitting on the bench angry over not getting any playing time. It’s not like this is something he can fix by the time the tournament rolls around, any time taken to develop these guys has been wasted. Any Ohio State fan I talk to loves the guy, but this is a glaring hole in his coaching style, and has been for a while. We start a walk-on, he’s got several 4 stars that aren’t even playing.

by one23 on Feb 12, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not anymore

But he started his career as one and I am pretty sure he still would be if Lucious, Roe and Sherman were still on the team.

by one23 on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

He was recruited

I recall an article by the free press Kalin Lucas’ freshman year where they profiled Lucas, Summers, Allen, Herzog (since he was a redshirt) and Thornton. It said something to the effect of Thornton would pay for school as a preferred walk on who would later go on scholarship once one was available. He turned down full rides to play as a Spartan. That’s the reason I always cheer for him, because despite his limitations he’s doing his best for his dream team, and Izzo wanted him here.

by Loneytunes on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahh I see

That makes sense, because I know he was a major scorer in high school. Gotta love guys that want to be here that bad; I’m sure it’s shown in practice the whole time he’s been here, it’s awesome that he’s able to show it in games now.

by one23 on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know why

we make whoever Lenzelle Smith is guarding play the point.

Wood, Trice, Appling, et al. could play point. Would like to see if Buckeyes D can function without having the ball pressure from Craft. I think they’d give up a lot of layups and when Craft comes to help his man is open for the 3.

by Thibtw on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you think Thad underestimated Payne's potential?

Izzo can see the diamonds in the rough and hell hath no fury like an Ohio high school center scorned.

by MSU1978 on Feb 12, 2012 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I think that's likely

I’m not sure he feels scorned so much as he wants to show the home-state boys he’s just as good.

by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 12, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe But...

It’s hard to sell minutes to a recruit at the same position when you have Sullinger’s commitment in the same year.

by MSUMC25 on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

All the more reason for motivation

His family was there and his grandmother, that raised him, passed recemtly.

by MSU1978 on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Reminds me of Kirk Mann's

Ok, it’s a really odd ball reference, but he was from Indiana and a huge Purdue fan, they didn’t recruit him and he dropped like 40 on them once (almost all 3’s) because of it, or that’s what he said afterward.

by CJC1992 on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No

OSU recruited Payne pretty heavily.

by Loneytunes on Feb 12, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus...

I’m pretty sure Payne was a 5-star guy coming out of high school. I’m not saying Izzo doesn’t have an eye for unheralded talent (e.g. Trice) but in Payne’s case that’s not really so.

Hey! I'm tryin' to eat lunch here!

by McGarnagle on Feb 12, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fairly sure

that Craft, similar to Costello and Valentine, jumped the rankings after he signed. Apparently the other schools he was seriously considering were Dayton, Bowling Green and I think a couple other Ohio teams.

I do know that he wasn’t on Matta’s radar until Sullinger suggested Craft to him. He’s one of those few players that I vehemently wish we had gone after, how great could he be on a Tom Izzo team with that D? I suppose he would need to work on his slashing ability but still.

by Loneytunes on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Craft was a find for Matta

Like TT was for Izzo – he was recruiting the stud everybody knows (Sullinger/Dawson) and ended up loving the game of that guy’s point (Craft/Trice).

by MSUDersh on Feb 13, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Appling

Appling has a greater upside on offense and is just a notch below defensively, which is still pretty darn good.

by MSUMC25 on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Appling needs to get more vocal

I do wonder who’s gonna lead once Draymonds gone

by Loneytunes on Feb 14, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

My guess is Nix

Just look at how he’s transformed himself, physically and mentally, as a player the past 2 + seasons. He’s been growing up before our eyes and from things I’ve read about his relationship with Draymond, it almost seems like Green is prepping him for the leadership role.

Also, check out this great recent piece by Rexrode on Nix & how he’s matured since arriving in EL: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20120211/GW0201/302110057/All-grown-up

by MSUDersh on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Even though he still may not start.
But don’t give up on Keith. He’s kind of a reticent kid and naturally defers to Green but when Green is gone he may come out of his shell even more.
I just hope he goes to a Chris Paul camp this summer or something to learn how to get where he wants on the court in fewer dribbles and develop a pull up J and floater.

"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"

by spartyball on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Izzo's best B1G regular season win?

I’ve seen it bandied about some of the other comments sections yesterday, and I thought it might be worth discussion : Where does this rank against other regular season games in the Izzo era?

The only game that immediately jumps to mind as in the same league is the Neitzel-fest vs. #1 Wisconsin at the Breslin. But this was a road game, with much more than just pride on the line.

Thoughts?

by AZSpartan on Feb 12, 2012 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

Great win...

But it’s not going to stick with me as an all-time great B1G win. I think partly because it lacked some of the drama of other big wins (we came out and punched them in the mouth, and they never really responded), and partly because we’re still in the middle of the B1G season.

The game in EL at the end of the year, in my opinion, will hold a more lasting memory if we win with how much could be on the line (B1G title, Green’s last game at Breslin, the chance for a #1,2,3 seed in the tourny).

by spartanmike on Feb 12, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Purdue in '10

Winning at Purdue in ’10 was pretty big to as it basically clinched a share of the B1G title that year.

by MSUMC25 on Feb 12, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Nah

An hugely important win for this season to be sure. So many big wins. Even the UW win earlier this year felt bigger.

This means the guys have basically locked up at least a 3 seed – knock on wood. Are in the drivers seat for a 2 (and might even have an outside chance at a 1 if they really go on a run here).

by RoninX on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you need to separate “big” wins (like clinching a championship) with “great” wins (beating a great team).

In terms of great wins, I’d put this above the 2007 win against Wisconsin. I think Wisconsin was overrated at #1 – it was their first game at that ranking – and the game was at home, which I think counts for 4 or 5 spots on the poll.

Someone mentioned the 2010 Purdue game (Purdue was #3), but that was the game after Hummel tore his ACL at Minnesota. It was a shellshocked team without one of its key players.

by SpartanBoiler on Feb 12, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Best road conference win

There have been bigger regular season wins in my mind (@UNC ‘99, UConn ’00, UW ’07), but I think this is Izzo’s best conference road win. I’d rank them:

1. OSU 2012
2. Purdue 1997 (they were #5, we were unranked, and this game signaled the beginning of the “Izzo Era” of conference dominance)
3. Purdue 2010 (they were #3, but as pointed out, Hummel had just gone down, so it’s tough to rank this higher)
4. Wisconsin 2012 (because of the opponent, the history, and the IN-SANE ending)
5. Illinois 2002 (very underrated win here against #12 Illini – probably got us into the Tourney in the first “rebuilding” year of Izzo’s tenure)

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by Ducking Delvon on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Purdue '10

I forgot that was the first game Hummel went down. Yea I don’t think we win that game now if he was healthy they beat us pretty good at the Bres that year.

by MSUMC25 on Feb 13, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Good call on #5

That Illinois game was the game that Marcus Taylor went down with a concussion, IIRC. It was very impressive the way that young team rallied together without their point guard and leading scorer.

by njd on Feb 13, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Pairwise update

The late games dropped us to 12th. Not sure exactly which part of the Rube Goldberg machine went off to knock us down (may have been Denver beating Minnesota, as that’s a common opponent, but I think they had the comparison on us anyway).

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by SpartanDan on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

The Defense is just unbelievable this season

We arent overmatched at any position in terms of size which is a huge plus. Just think about it, the Spartans held the No.3 team in the country, a team that has blown out opponents all the time on their floor, to 24% from the field!!! 24%!!! And OSU is not a team that doesnt challenge you with size, speed and athletisism.

GREAT to see and I dont see how any team can truly go off against this years defense at any point in March. Not with how little time they have to prepare.

by Flaming Mo on Feb 12, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Defensive holes: The 3 and motion offense

A hot hand from three beats even the best defenses because you are force to extend so much, especially if a teams inside game has the potential to do any sort of damage. This killed us vs. dook. Motion offenses also may be cause for concern given what Nw did to us. Though, previously Izzo has always had the team ready to play motion/back door/gimmick offenses in the tourney

by RoninX on Feb 12, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Good points

But I think we do such a great job pressuring this year out of our man to man D with guys like Dawson, Thornton and Appling that teams rarely get a chance to just line them up.

Again, this year I feel really about the D because we can match up with very athletic teams. We wont be intimidated or overmatched by size, we got great athletes like Payne, Dawson or Appling who can hang with anyone. Now Im getting ahead of myself but when we should face teams like Kentucky or UNC they should not be able to just run and jump over us. And in most other aspects of the game we got a clear cut advantage – fundamentals, coaching, toughness…

by Flaming Mo on Feb 12, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol

Not that I disagree, but I actually laughed out loud at “we got a clear cut advantage – fundamentals, coaching, toughness…” the three toughest areas to quantify, though you left out “clutchness” ;D

by RoninX on Feb 12, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

My personal favorite is

sticktoitiveness. Not sure what’s more important, though, that or hard work.

by MSUDersh on Feb 13, 2012 7:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The 3

The very nature of the 3 is that even a mediocre team that has 3 guys get hot from outside is going to be a better team, even a great one.

We hustle, try to get them tired and shooting off the dribble or contested and hope for the best. What else can you do?

I don’t know all the stats, but didn’t we just beat UM who has built their offense around 3 guys shooting from outside, a cutter and a center?

by CJC1992 on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

"Ohio State had no answer for Payne down low."

If there had been a TOC contest at the beginning of the season for “Most Improbable Sentences to be Written During the Season,” this would have made the Top 3.

"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe

by Ducking Delvon on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

Eh

Payne had a pretty good game at OSU last year, granted not like this.

by Loneytunes on Feb 13, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Its probably not "just" that he is psyched up for playing against Sully

The fact that he looks more polished against Sully than against anyone else is no accident. They have played against each other for years. He knows Sully’s offensive and defensive moves intuitively. While you can probably says the same about Sully vs. Payne, Payne is an athletic freak with size and length advantage who is still learning how to harness his potential. Playing against Sully he simply looks much more comfortable than he normally does because he knows the guy inside and out… allowing him to just “freak out”.

If Payne gets to the point where he can play as comfortably and intuitively against some random as he does against Sully the guy will be a force of nature in CBB and have a long and productive NBA career.

Fingers crossed!

by RoninX on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

Although I was hoping that this represented some leap in Payne’s on court persona, I didn’t know that history.

I still hope it’s a game that convinces him he’s really that good.

by CJC1992 on Feb 13, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it sounds like Izzo thinks Payne is advancing:

Per @JoeRexrode on the Twitter:

Izzo on Payne: Light is going on, gradually. “Big dimmer switch.” Likes how he demanded the ball in the huddles at OSU.

by MSUDersh on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I completely agree that Payne is advancing

The guy’s play compared to last year is night and day, but the “dimmer switch” analogy is valid because it is still in process – rather than a “leap” (competition vs. Sully aside).

by RoninX on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Payne likes being involved

I think he was kind of lost last year.
This year there’s more certainty, he knows he’s starting and how many minutes he’ll play.
His best games have come against guys who will be in the NBA at some point over the next couple years because he knows he’s a big part of the gameplan.
His level of play against Sullinger shows he’s a competitor too if you put the right carrot in front of him.
There are still some struggles for different reasons(lung capacity, etc) but this season has been important in terms of clarifying his role. Roe and Sherman are partially to thank for that.
He’s still a WIP and the best is yet to come.

"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"

by spartyball on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Lung Capacity?

I haven’t heard anything about Payne having this problem. But yes Payne will be a monster his senior year.

by Loneytunes on Feb 14, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It was revealed earlier this season

that Payne has abnormally small lungs for a person his size, which limits his air intake and ultimately results in him getting winded more easily. It’s believed that he’s suffered from this his entire life, but it was only discovered once he got to MSU and went through a battery of tests as part of his physical, which include lung capacity measurements (when you blow into an instrument and see how long you can keep the ping pong ball elevated). My guess is it never came out in HS bc of Payne’s huge size, he could dominate while not exerting himself to the point of exhaustion.

I was in Detroit last weekend, and watched the tOSU game at my parent’s house with them. My dad is a respiratory physician (aka lung doctor), so I told him about this. He said small lung size is not very common, especially among high level athletes. He observed Payne and noticed that his “chest appears to be proportionate to his body,” but said there could be any number of reasons that led to this condition.

We looked online, both in google and in medical journals, but the only thing about him we could find is the one MLive article.

My dad said there is nothing you can do to treat something like that, and to maximize his playing results, MSU has to carefully observe his minutes, how he’s exerting himself on the court, and make sure he gets plenty of rest. Which I believe is happening, especially when you pay attention to the substitution patterns of him & Nix – Payne starts, but usually plays two-4 minutes “shifts” per half, so he has less run than Nix.

He also said that unless Payne is just extraordinarily talented, this condition will probably prohibit him from playing pro ball – both because it limits his time he can be on the floor, and it could be dangerous to him in the long run. He also told me how many elite level athletes are well known in the pulmonary world for having extreme lung capacity, and cited the swimmer Michael Phelps as the example – apparently, Phelps is a legend for how much o2 he can get with each breath.

by MSUDersh on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Payne's Potential

As soon as me masters the mental part of the game and can play without thinking so much. Sky is the limit. TURN IT LOOSE PAYNE!!!!!

He should have at least one tip in dunk and monster block a game with his athleticism.

by MSUMC25 on Feb 13, 2012 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

He should have at least one tip in dunk and monster block a game with his athleticism.

You got that right. MSU has never had a player that big, who is that much of an athlete. With that length, helooks to me like a poor man’s Ralph Sampson (the 7-4 guy from UVA in the late 70’s, not Ralph Simpson, the ex-Spartan from the late 60’s).

by MSUDersh on Feb 13, 2012 6:32 PM CST reply actions  

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