MSU Basketball Recruiting Round-up (2/17/12)
It's time to jump back on the wagon and talk about basketball recruiting. I'm going to focus on checking in with Michigan State's future prospects but I'll start with a few notes about our currently committed 2012 players. It wasn't a big surprise but Gary Harris was named a McDonald's All-American this month. He gave MSU their third straight class with a player so honored (2010 - Keith Appling, 2011- Branden Dawson).
Matt Costello did not receive a McD's spot but I'm confident that he'll surpass many of the players ranked ahead of him while at Michigan State. Outside of national acclaim, Matt has actively pursued the 2012 Mr. Basketball in Michigan and you can visit http://www.mattcostellomrbasketball2012.com to check him out.
Costello is primarily competing against future teammate Denzel Valentine for the Mr. Basketball award. A recent State news article on DV had some quality quotes focused on Denzel's desire to play with the ball in his hands.
Valentine doesn’t mind what role he is given as long as he can be handling the ball and setting his teammates up to do well. "(I just want to be) out on the perimeter handling the ball," Valentine said. "Anytime in college, just giving me the ball and setting my teammates up (to do well) is fine with me."
This is a reminder of the potential logjam next season at both the point position and on the wing. Many people have advocated for the idea that Valentine is a true point guard who belongs there to be effective, yet MSU returns Keith Appling and Travis Trice. You could move Appling or Valentine to the wing but the likely starters are Gary Harris and Branden Dawson. MSU also has the more effective than expected Brandan Kearney returning and what if Russell Byrd makes that famous freshman to sophomore leap? At the moment, this is an embarrassment of riches.
Kenny Kaminski's recovery from a shoulder injury has been solidly on schedule and he made a cameo appearance in the Medina Bee's Senior Night game. Considering Kaminski is a big strong player, his shoulder problem should not be as problematic as it was for Adreian Payne entering his freshman year and Kenny should be ready for action this fall.
We'll talk about the 2013, 2014, and a new 2015 name after the jump...
2013
MSU’s targets for 2013 appears to remain very selective. Despite all the names on the 2013 Hotlist, only Jabari Parker has an offer and the staff’s full attention. Others are either waiting for an offer or apparently not getting what you’d call the "full press."
SF/PF Jabari Parker (Chicago, IL)
The word-of-mouth vibe has become that Jabari Parker’s recruitment might be shorter and more narrowed than originally suspected when the word was that he would take five fall officials accompanied by in-homes. First, Roy Schmidt of Illinois Prep Bulls-eye suggested that Parker might not use all five and could decide in October. More recently, Kyle Randle of Scout stated that Jabari might be ready to take his officials this spring. That would be a major surprise as most officials occur in the fall leading up to a decision. That was the story with big-time MSU recruits like Adreian Payne, Gary Harris, and many others. It’s hard to say what these pieces of information might mean but I still feel great about MSU’s chances with this rare basketball talent. We might know sooner than expected.
SF James Young (Troy, MI)
Rumors flew that MSU was backing way off of James Young after his disastrous Christmas performance in front of Coach Izzo. That appears to have been premature. MSU coaches are still visiting and watching Young. As I noted a few weeks ago, Young played a monster game against a talented Clarkston team with Dane Fife there. Young’s offers are limited which suggests the MSU is far from the only team who wishes to see more of him before extending a scholarship. Trust in Izzo on this one.
PG Demetrius Jackson (Mishawaka, IN)
Jackson is a bit of the forgotten man in the 2013 class. After saying he’d commit to someone over the holidays then a sudden reversal, it’s possible that things aren’t exactly as they seem with his recruitment. He’s still very close to the coaches and program at Notre Dame and that appears his mostly likely destination. Still, you can’t dismiss MSU’s interest. Coach Izzo showed up in person to watch Jackson at the end of last month.
2014
MSU is closely pursuing more high school sophomores than juniors right now. MSU has a core group of SF/PF Jabari Parker, PF Cliff Alexander, C Jahlil Okafor, PG Tyus Jones, PG/SG Jaquan Lyle, and SG Drake Harris as their primary targets for what will probably be a two to four player class.
PG Tyus Jones (Apple Valley, MN)
Dave Telep over at ESPN broke the news that Duke has offered Tyus Jones. You might have a similar reaction as I did and say, "he didn’t have one already?" I don’t think this changes much. Jones is a major Duke target and this was to be expected. For MSU, pursuing Tyus Jones could be the first recruitment where Izzo’s expanded resources make a big difference. Despite being 700 miles away, Izzo has been to watch Tyus numerous times this season, even bringing his family along for the trip to Apple Valley, MN. It’s too early to handicap but Izzo has earned my benefit of the doubt when he’s all-in for a recruit as he is with Jones. Jones is widely considered the top point guard in his class.
PF Abdul-Malik Abu (Meridan, NH)
As reported by SpartanTailgate ($), Abu received an offer from MSU through his AAU coach. He plays for Kimball Union Academy in New Hampshire and is described either as a combo forward or undersized four man. Originally from Massachusetts, he reclassified from 2013 to 2014. This offer doesn’t sound like MSU’s typical MO and with players like Parker, Young, and Drake Harris still available, I don’t expect Abu to become a Spartan soon. Right now, this is in the "one to watch" category.
PF Cliff Alexander (Chicago, IL)
Coach Izzo made it out of state this week to watch Jabari Parker and 2014 post player Cliff Alexander play in the state tournament. Alexander is one of MSU’s primary recruiting targets and the interest is mutual as MSU is Alexander’s publicly stated leader. Of all the players we’re talking about, he might be the most likely to choose MSU. Alexander is still considered a defensive player first but has been an important scorer in Currie’s run through the playoffs. They have an epic match-up tonight when they face off against Parker’s Simeon team to avenge their only loss of the year. I wouldn’t be shocked to see MSU representatives back to take in the game.
2015
C Karl Towns Jr (Metuchen, NJ)
When you’re a 6-10 freshman, people start noticing early. Though I don’t typically get either analytically or ethically excited about discussing freshman prospects, it’s worth noting this little nugget in a recent article about Towns, Jr.
"Know when I realized my son was good?" Karl Sr. said. "When colleges started visiting him (this year). When Tom Izzo came in. When Cincinnati flew in. When Kentucky showed interest. When Syracuse came in and visited. Villanova was in the house. When I saw all them cats in the gym, Jay Wright and everybody asking about him, I said these coaches are coming out to recruit a freshman.
It’s always nice to hear our coach as the first person someone mentions. Though this is outside the Midwest, it wasn’t long ago that MSU was in the thick of recruiting Dexter Strickland out of New Jersey. Way early, but we know that Coach Izzo has already been in to express interest in Towns, Jr. This whole article is good and worth a read as an introduction to this young man.
I don't think we're going to get a commitment from anyone anytime soon but these things can drop out of the sky at times. For me, the main storylines to watch going forward are this:
1. How quickly can MSU finalize the deal and wrap up a commitment from Cliff Alexander?
2. What will we continue to learn about Jabari Parker's process and timetable?
3. What is standing between James Young and a Michigan State offer?
Bonus
4. Not much "news" on him but another good question is whether Drake Harris is a football player or basketball player first or a true two-sport college athlete? How will prioritizing these two influence his options of Michigan and Michigan State?
Here's to a big commitment this weekend that makes much of this obsolete!
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Excited
I know every prospect seems like they could be the next great one, and plenty of top flight recruits don’t pan out quite the way we forum denizen’s hope. But it is still exciting that Izzo has really taken the kid gloves off when if comes to recruiting.
Jon Reschke to MSU!
MD’s No. 1 MLB target! I credit this post. Recruiting works in mysterious ways!
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Christmas in Feb
Last night, Kill Bucky now this.
I wonder if the Parkers might be interested in moving up the timeline to temper the circus that will certainly surround Jabari on the AAU circuit.
I wonder if Illinois will base their impending coaching search on finding a coach pleasing to the Parkers. They better move fast.
I really wonder what the plan B is in case Parker is out of pocket.
You can never have too many PG’s but adding Jackson makes little sense
The absence of a “big” prospect concerns me. This is the first season I can recall MSU going with virtually 2 bigs. While Derrick Payne has been effective, Derrick will be gone after next season. Who replaces him? I know Gauna’s role will expand and Costello figures to be good but will those guys man up against the next Sullinger that comes along, I hope so.
But like Danny and Rusty in Ocean’s 11, I think we need one more.
Alexander is must get to replace Payne. There absolutely has to be a plan B for him.
Unless of course he wants to commit early.
Play 40!
Unless you're Derrick Payne, then play 20/20.
Alexander and Okafor
You get either one and you’re sitting pretty. I’m sure Izzo would take both if they wanted to come but they could be seen as each other’s Plan B.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
BTW
You can watch the Simeon vs. Curie matchup on ESPN3.com
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
Love that Draymond is tweeting about it, too. Every bit helps.
@Money23Green: Shoutout to my Lil bro @JabariParker22 Goodluck in that City Championship today young fella
Woodson and Jones
As always, thanks for the update!
I heard Dominic Woodson’s name batted around awhile back as a possible big in 13’. Is he no longer receiving interest, or could he possibly be a backup plan to Parker/Young? I’m sure being in Texas and now Vermont probably doesn’t help Izzo in getting out there to recruit.
Also, are the rumors true that Jones and Okafor want to be a packaged deal? That’s an interesting one to me, as I struggle to see MSU landing both Okafor and Alexander, and Alexander seems to be the more likely of the two to be green.
Woodson, Jones/Okafor
I believe MSU has backed off of Dominic Woodson. Izzo went to visit him and everything yet it’s been quiet since then. I saw a recent interview with Woodson and he didn’t mention MSU.
Yep, Jones has been public that he and Jahlil Okafor are playing for the same school in college. It’s more than rumors. Now, do I want to bet my mortgage that will happen? I’m not ready to go there yet. A lot could happen. They don’t have every school in common. What if they end up falling in love with different schools?
You’re right, it creates a small problem for Izzo. If you take Alexander, does that jeopardize your chances with Okafor? Does that hurt you with Jones? I have to remind myself though that most programs would kill for these sort of problems.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
I think Izzo would probably
wait for Jones to decide if possible. At least that’s what I’d do.
I know that we’ll have Costello, Gauna, Kaminski and hopefully Parker on the front line so a center isn’t as much of a priority, especially if we are interested in Towns Jr. the next year. While Cliff Alexander is good I don’t think there’s any doubt that Okafor enters college a more complete player offensively.
Plus the PG spot is a much higher priority. Trice will be a senior, and though our potential point guards in Kearney and Valentine will be here too I’m starting to cool on the idea of them at the one. I think Valentine will redshirt first off, there’s no room for him next year. The logjam you spoke of is very real and I frankly wouldn’t want to waste the year of eligibility when you have not only a highly similar player (Kearney) with more experience but a slew of athletic wings as well.
Plus I think Izzo may utilize Valentine like he does Green, although not at the 4 obviously. Everyone loves how we essentially have two players on the court who can facilitate offense as a distributor. Imagine putting Valentine at the three, running offense through him when penetration doesn’t work.
Long story short: We need a true point guard who can drive shoot and be awesome. That’s Tyus Jones and I think we have a very good shot.
Jaquan Lyle
Josh,
You forgot about Jaquan Lyle. I asked ND Kendrick on twitter and he said MSU was in good shape but he’s still a ways from committing.
Yeah, there wasn't really "news" about everyone
I didn’t have anything special on Jahlil Okafor either.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
If we miss out.....
on Jones/Okafor, we are sitting pretty good with Alexander/Lyle, If we get any two of those four, we will have all the talent we need for a great recruiting class, and anyone else we are able to add that fills a need will just be frosting on top. We would just be adding these players to what will be several other top 25 recruits that are already with us. I think its great that Izzo is finding the kinds of kids he likes in such highly touted recruits
One player I didn't mention
who could be a plan B or even become a Plan A is Paul White of Chicago’s Whitney Young. He was supposed to visit at Midnight Madness with Cliff Alexander but headed out early for the USA basketball camp. He is a tall (6’7"/6’8") lanky wing guard and highly regarded. Izzo likes him too.
"And how much are intangibles worth? 10%? 20%?" - kj@theonlycolors
by intrpdtrvlr on Feb 18, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Jones and Okafor
I believe OSU is going after them pretty hard as well.
At some point I’m sure Kentucky will jump in, but they’re Kentucky so they have the luxury of waiting.
One thing I was wondering about is how much longer Izzo plans to coach? We’re talking 2-3 years down the line here. If he’s able to land 2 of his coveted recruits that’d be pretty good, maybe looking at anywhere from 2-5 more years of coaching before he retires and is able to enjoy a summer without hitting the AAU circuit.
I think Izzo stays much longer
I don’t foresee him retiring without a second championship. And I think if he wins that championship this year or in the next couple he’ll still coach for at least 5 years, but I’d bet on one more decade to be honest. He’s got that competitive fire inside him, he’d miss it.
Agreed
If he was planning on leaving MSU any time soon, or was bored/growing tired of the grind, you have to think he’d have gone with the NBA money. Of course another championship could cause him to reevalute, but I’d be pretty surprised if Izzo doesn’t stay with us for (at least) anothr decade.
Watched Parker and Alexander play last night
On Me-TV in Chicago. They were both in foul trouble for a significant part of the game. You can see Alexander has good size, but he is still learning the game defensively. Parker is the real deal, he started at center and was occasionally matched up against Alexander. He gets to the hoop with ease. If we can get one or both of these guys we’re going to be in great shape.
by Chitown Spartan on Feb 18, 2012 2:21 PM CST reply actions
Kaminski ready to go?
Josh do you anticipate that Kaminski will play next season? I thought that he’d redshirt, not due to injury but to build muscle and refine his game since he seems to have little to no inside presence.
Also, as I’ve said Valentine needs to redshirt. I honestly don’t think it matters if he’s ready to play right away, doing so would be a waste of a year. Does anyone legitimately believe that a Freshman Denzel Valentine would be able to make a significant difference in the two minutes per game he’d get playing behind Appling, Dawson, Trice, Harris, Kearney and Byrd? This year we pretty much play three of those guys, in terms of legitimate minutes since Byrd and Kearneys two minutes a game don’t count. That’s six players that you can have at most three of on the court at the same time. There is no room for Valentine.
Also thanks for the story lines at the end. With recruiting it’s always hard trying to figure out which threads to follow. I legitimately thought Woodson was a major target and had been following his progress to the best of my ability, without any subscriptions, so the information you give, as always, is invaluable.
I believe in Denzel
I can’t see a redshirt.
Let’s see: college ready body, coach’s son, great passer, former football player, coach’s son, great teammate, versatility, coach’s son
All things Coach Izzo loves in a player. Did I mention he’s a coach’s son?
The key name you mentioned is Byrd. If Dawson starts at the 4, it’s possible that Byrd gets minutes there too, splitting time with Gauna. That leaves Denzel in the mix backing up BK and Harris. He’ll likely also be a better emergency PG option than BK. He’s handled the ball more in his HS career.
No knock on a BK, I’m very high on him, but I think he focuses on playing the wing after this season.
KK played AAU for All Ohio Red so he’ll be very comfortable with redshirt.
Play 40!
Unless you're Derrick Payne, then play 20/20.
Dawson will not start at the 4
That’d be absurd to put a 6’6 player there when you consider that you have four big guys at a minimum height of 6’9 (Gauna, Costello, Nix, Payne). I could see him playing there at times but not regularly. As you mentioned Byrd is a more likely player to see time at the 4 in my opinion.
Kearney handled the point a ton in high school. His most touted abilities were as follows: Ball Handling, Highly effective and unselfish distribution to his teammates almost to his own detriment scoring wise, slashing to the hoop. Those are three things Izzo PGs do. While Valentine has the first two he doesn’t have as good a slashing ability from what I’ve seen and read. Plus do you even need two emergency point guards anyways? We have a sophomore Travis Trice remember.
All I’m saying is to play Denzel Valentine would stunt his growth considering the minutes he’d see that could be doled out to others. Remember that Izzo mixes and matches his positions so Valentine would be behind SIX PLAYERS in the rotation. Ohio State rarely goes seven deep in total why would we platoon our guards that much? All it would do is throw off their rhythm as well as hurt Byrd, Kearney, Harris, Dawson and Trice all of whom are still developing.
ZING on the KK joke lol
Not so absurd
Rexrode thinks that might happen too.
Dawson is no different in size than Green he just doesn’t have the J yet.
He might end up being stronger after a summer of weight training.
Dawson at the 4 allows you to start both BK and Harris.
I don’t think Nix starts, the Derrick Payne tag team is too good to break up.
Do you really think Gauna will go from spot duty to starting?
Costello is a dark horse candidate. If he picks up the defense he might have a shot.
Somebody has to replace Green’s rebounding, Dawson is the best of the bunch.
Appling
Harris
BK
Dawson
Payne
You show that projected line up to every other coach in the B1G and they’ll slam their clipboards like frustrated cable customers.
Play 40!
Unless you're Derrick Payne, then play 20/20.
I think Gauna could potentially start yes.
But he wouldn’t play much more than 15-20 minutes probably max. Payne has a nice shooting touch and it’s improving, it’s not unreasonable to expect that in the clutch Izzo would play both of them. Remember we’re replacing Green who has an extremely different skill set than Dawson. Dawson is athletic, he dunks, rebounds and gets to the hoop. Green facilitates scoring through intelligence and passing, he’s physically very different and weighs more. I’m just saying he can’t defend the guys that Green can.
I think when it comes down to it we’ll see this in the end being our A Line Up: Appling, Harris/Kearney, Dawson, Payne, Nix with potential for one of the other bigs depending on the foul situation.
Great Debate
Neither of us can be right or wrong right now.
I’m good with either result.
Can’t replace Green with one guy. BK facilitates, Dawson rebounds.
But 15-20 minutes is essentially what Nix and Payne play now, I don’t see Gauna getting that many minutes.
Payne does have a nice shot, Nix will need to develop a shot outside of the paint too.
With the improvement he made from last season to this, I don’t doubt he can do it.
As for Green, Dawson and defense, Green is important because he knows the defense, recognizes offenses and is a great help defender. One on one defense could stand to improve. Dawson will likely be a better one on one defender and might be already. On the cerebral part he’s not even close.
Play 40!
Unless you're Derrick Payne, then play 20/20.
Yeah the thing we'll miss most about Green
Is the way he improves the people around him. I agree that BK and Dawson as a platoon can make up for his absence. I don’t see Nix developing a shot to be honest, but I hope he does!
Thanks for the update Josh
It’s early but we have a good chance to have some special recruits the next couple years
Lyle was at the game today
As a guest of Purdue’s. Any word on how the visit went or how the game may affect his decision? Hopefully for Purdue’s sake, he left at halftime.
by MSUDersh on Feb 19, 2012 9:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions

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