Linking Laconically is Draymond Green heavy today
I have to start my first ever Linking Laconically post with a brief bit of reminiscing. A few years ago, when I was writing a blog that eight people read for MLive, I got super giddy about then-sophomore Draymond Green's improvement and wrote a, 'Could Draymond Green make the NBA someday?' post.
Now, I fully admit to taking a best possible case scenario in that premature post, but I also had my credibility questioned quite a bit. One friend, a longtime prep basketball scout and writer in the state, wrote a dissenting view on his blog. Another friend, who covers Mid-Michigan high school and college basketball for the local ABC affiliate in the Flint area where I live, mentioned the article to Green's high school coach, Lou Dawkins. Dawkins is as big a Green fan as anyone, and even he thought the post I wrote was crazy.
Since then, obviously, Green continued to get better, continued to evolve his game and continued to shed weight. I wrote a TOC post when Kyle Singler was drafted by the Pistons restating my belief that Green's uniqueness had a spot in the NBA.
After yesterday's win over Purdue, if any random person doubted Green's credentials as the Big Ten Player of the Year frontrunner and, realistically, a National Player of the Year candidate, I doubt they still exist. It's even more rewarding that next-level scouts are finally noticing the type of special player Green has become — NBADraft.net has him slotted as the first pick in the second round currently and had him as a late first rounder in a mock draft last week. It has, simply, been amazing to watch Green's season and career at MSU. To go from where he was as a freshman to what he is on the verge of accomplishing as a senior is remarkable.
So that's basically a long-winded way of introducing today's links post, which is heavy on Green coverage after yesterday's performance against Purdue. Links after the jump.
No big surprise here. Green is Player of the Week again and Trey Burke is Freshman of the Week for his performance in Michigan's win over Ohio State.
Michigan State, Notre Dame rise; OSU falls in latest Power Rankings - Luke Winn - SI.com
Luke Winn on MSU's work on the boards: "TeamRankings is the only site that tracks total rebound rate -- the percentage of available rebounds a team grabs on both ends of the floor. Michigan State is first in the nation at 57.6 percent, with North Carolina a close second at 57.3. In TeamRankings' database, which goes back to 1997-98, only 10 teams have finished a season with a total rebound rate of 57.5 percent or above, and three of them were among Tom Izzo's finest productions."
Last summer, Green played for USA Basketball’s World University Games team coached by Painter in Shenzhen, China, scoring 8.6 points a game as the Americans went 7-1 with a two-point loss to Lithuania. Green and Painter gained a greater appreciation for each other there. "I really enjoyed being around him, he’s a contagious personality," Painter said of Green.
Draymond Green answers the bell, MSU rocks Purdue | The Detroit News
Tom Izzo to Draymond Green during halftime of yesterday's game: "He pulled me in a room by myself and said, 'We haven't been in this situation a ton of times but right now I think you're playing your worst basketball,'" Green recalled. "He said, 'You can take it one of two ways. You can go in the tank and if you go in the tank, we lose the game. Or you can step up and carry us to a win.'"
Another night at the office for Draymond Green of Michigan State - College Sports - The Detroit News
"Everyone deserved credit on this night as Izzo described it as a "total MSU team win." But there is no doubting what Green means to this team. He won’t get a double-double every night, even if we all expect it, but it’s almost getting to the point where the real news will be if he doesn’t."
Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan compares Spartans' Draymond Green to Larry Bird| MLive.com
"He's a good player, and strong," Ryan said. "I don't know what else to say. I would have said that about Larry Bird if somebody said, 'Hey, how good do you think Larry Bird is?' He's a good player, a guy you'd like to have. Draymond's a guy I'd like to have."
Pick your MVP - LSJ Blogs: Hey, Joe
Joe Rexrode talks about the performances of Draymond Green, Austin Thornton, Derrick Nix and Branden Dawson, trying to figure out a MVP. Here's Joe on Dawson's sick windmill: "That windmill? How many replays is that going to get in the next few days? It'll overshadow his all-around strong game -- 15, 11 and good defense for most of the day. He's going to be scary but he's getting there already. As Tom Izzo said, he's figuring out how to move without the ball and get points without possessing a jump shot, as Jason Richardson did as a freshman."
And, as a special bonus, here are some highlights of the Chicago high school city championship game between Simeon and Curie. Tom Izzo was among the coaches in attendance to watch big-time prospects like Jabari Parker, Kendrick Nunn and Cliff Alexander. The video is courtesy of 312 Media:
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Good stuff
I remember reading your post on here about Green being a viable NBA candidate if Singler is, and couldn’t agree with you more.
Here’s a good piece I saw this morning on DayDay & AT gameplanning: http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/02/michigan_states_austin_thornto_4.html
When it comes to Green, I think a lot of us Spartan fans got our first taste of the type of leader he could be when we heard about how he, as a true freshman, addressed the team after the loss to UNC in the title game in Detroit in ‘09. Not just an incredible player, but an incredible leader, too. I don’t think Izzo is overstating it at all when he calls him “The Ultimate Spartan.”
'Not just an incredible player, but an incredible leader, too.' - So true
Mott Community College in Flint has a great JUCO program. One of Green’s old high school teammates at Saginaw, Bobby Lewis (who is now a big-time GLIAC player at Northwood), was playing for Mott during Green’s sophomore season. Mott was in its regional tournament trying to earn a trip to nationals and I remember Green coming down from East Lansing twice in one weekend to watch Lewis play.
Green may not have been a big time star yet by that point, but he was still a key and really recognizable part of MSU’s team. I’m not sure how many guys of his stature would’ve made the hour drive to watch a former teammate play, especially considering Green had his own season/team to worry about too. He’s just always seemed like such a great person, basketball talent aside
by patrick_hayes on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a great story
With a name like Green, I feel like he was born to be a Spartan. Guys like he & Delvon make me proud to be a huge Spartan homer.
If Bo wants to have him
Draymond better sleep with one eye open and a neck brace.
Bit of heresy to loosely compare him to Bill Simmons’ basketball jesus though.
Green is not a guy I had pegged as an NBA player but I also thought Raymar was absolutely going to be in the NBA halfway through his sophomore year. I’m not sure Raymar’s not an NBA player, he sure is built like one, but he stayed too long and he’s a victim of perception. These are things Green will have to overcome. The NBA hates 4yr college players that’s why there’s only one projected to go in the lottery in that mock draft. I bet if Cody Zeller entered the draft he’d bump his older brother out of the lottery.
There’s also the perception that pros don’t come from MSU. It’s part of Coach Izzo’s “does more with less” appeal which I think is BS. Nobody wins with a bunch of scrubs, he’s had plenty of talent.
If Green isn’t drafted, I’d be curious to know what exactly scouts saw in guys like Dajuan Blair and Paul Milsap that suggested they’re NBA worthy and Green is not or even Kevin Love or Sullinger for that matter. Each of those guys are virtually the same height(no way Sullinger is 6’10). Green is an excellent rebounder and ball handler with an outside shot. Not sure if he can make NBA threes like Love but I bet he could get there.
A second round pick would at least get him a chance to make an impression and make a roster. I sure hope it’s not Charlotte though. What a mess.
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Couldn't agree with you more
When looking at some of the names on NBA rosters.
Just look at the Pistons – are you telling me that Green can’t do everything that Jason Maxiell does, but better, as well as plenty of things Maxiell can’t? Maxiell can’t shoot, dribble, or pass, can’t play D except on guys slower than him (who usually make up for the slowness with height). His college stats, playing in a conference not as loaded as the B1G currently is, and on a team nowhere near as deep or good as this MSU team is, are worse than Green’s – similar scoring, but worse shooting numbers from every measurement, worse rebounding numbers, virtually no steals or assists, and poor block numbers.
Yet Maxiell has played in over 400 NBA games in 6 + seasons, has earned $15mm in salary so far, and the Pistons still owe him 2 more seasons at $5mm each, after this one is over.
Yikes
How in the world does Dumars still have his job?
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The difference is athleticism
Maxiell certainly hasn’t been a very good pro (although, surprisingly, he’s quietly putting together a nice season this year), but the difference between he and Green and Millsap and Green is athleticism. Both of those guys are short, but they are freak athletes, so NBA scouts more willingly look like guys like that as legit PF prospects. For Green, the NBA question has simply been what position does he defend?
Personally, I’ve always felt a good pro model for Green should be Corliss Williamson. Williamson was a great post scorer, not sure Green will be able to do that as a pro, but Green also has more range, passing ability and a better face-up game than Big Nasty ever had. Both guys are undersized, below the rim players who are/were smart and crafty enough to be good NBA reserves if used in the correct role.
by patrick_hayes on Feb 20, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's an interesting comparison
Not sure I’ve ever thought of Corliss as the Draymond analog. The guy I’ve always thought of is Anthony Mason, but I don’t think Green is quite as good an on-the-ball defender, and he isn’t quite as cut as Mason was either. I think it’s a good match in terms of floor game and face-up ability, though.
Hey! I'm tryin' to eat lunch here!
My comparison: Chuck Hayes
He was Green-lite at Kentucky, an inspirational leader and defend-any-position workhorse who confounded the pro scouts. How he has played center in the NBA for even limited stints at 6’5" is anyone’s guess, but obviously he is long on moxie.
Corliss & Hayes are both very apt comparisons
Guys who had not just talent, but the drive to use it, and were winners.
Let’s hope that Draymond can finish his college career with the same type of hardware that Corliss earned in his!!
Reminiscing (/horn tooting)
Don’t mind if I do.
by KJ@theonlycolors on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
The NBA is made for Draymond Green
A league overladen with immature dolts who’ve been allowed to substitute “upside” for team fundamentals would provide plenty of victims for Green. He’s the kind of guy that gets drafted by the Spurs or Lakers while other teams go fishing for saviors. I just hope the Heat don’t take him, because I’d hate to root for those guys.
HAHA great call on hoping he's not a Heat
Or whatever they would call themselves – a Hot?
Anyway, just yesterday my wife commented, “I really hope the Bulls don’t take him, I think he would fit into that team perfectly, but I really don’t want to have to root for them now.”
A Hot--made me laugh out loud
In a related joke, I always sort of wanted Kelvin Torbert to end up with the Heat because of his name. Sorry—worst pun ever.
by njd on Feb 20, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NBADraft.net had him to OKC
Late in the first round at one point. OKC would be an amazing fit for him. Imagine him passing to weapons like Durant/Westbrook/Harden or a finisher like Ibaka? Perfect.
by patrick_hayes on Feb 20, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks
Can’t buy a [REDACTED] jersey. Any other team, though, and I will own it.
Without a doubt.
Problem with NBA mock drafts
You can’t account for how many unknown foreign guys teams are looking at.
Those 60 slots in the draft always end up being reduced by 10-15 because teams have their eye on some foreign player we’ve never heard of or they simply throw the pick away on a foreign player they have no intention of adding to the roster simply to avoid paying another player.
It’s a sham and a mockery after the first 25 picks.
I hope that doesn’t hurt Green this year.
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Or the Clips?
Late first round…cross lane passes to BG…DeAndre Jordan to erase any defensive lapses…rebound and outlet to CP3,,,those ugly baby blue throwback jerseys? I think the Clips would be a great fit and they’re going to win a title soon, too.
No Way
I don’t want Green within 3,000 miles of Donald Sterling let alone working for him.
That dude is a front runner for worst human being alive.
David Stern will eat a trophy before he hands one to that creep.
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Did he try...
…and steal his alma mater’s beloved coach or something?
by witless chum on Feb 21, 2012 5:54 AM CST up reply actions

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