Michigan State vs. Michigan -- Preview and Game Thread
by Pete Rossman on Feb 5, 2012 10:08 AM CST
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PrintMichigan Wolverines at Michigan St. Spartans, Feb 5, 2012 12:00 PM CST
THE JACK BRESLIN STUDENT EVENTS CENTER -- EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2012, 1:00 PM EST
TV: CBS
ONLINE RADIO FEED: Spartan Sports Network
First things first -- this is the preview/game thread. Same rules as always: No slurs, no links to illegal game threads, and be cool to one another.
The question -- how does one properly preview a rematch of a game that happened less than three weeks ago? There are a few steps:
STEP 1 -- REVIEW WHAT THE OPPONENT HAS DONE SINCE THE FIRST MEETING
Michigan has played four games since beating MSU 61-60 in Ann Arbor, going 2-2. They lost to Arkansas 66-64, beat Purdue in West Lafayette 66-64, lost to Ohio State on the road 64-49, and beat Indiana at home 68-56. The Wolverines haven't strayed far from a primarily six-man lineup: Tim Hardaway Jr., Trey Burke, Zack Novak, and Stu Douglass all average at least 30 minutes a game, Jordan Morgan averages somewhere in the high twenties depending on his foul situation, and Evan Smotrycz's minutes are somewhere in the teens.
STEP 2 -- HIGHLIGHT THE STATISTIC THAT WILL MOST LIKELY BE A BAROMETER OF THE OPPONENT'S SUCCESS OR LACK THEREOF
In the last four games, each time that Michigan has had an effective field goal percentage over 50%, they've won. The converse is also true. While it's simplistic to state that MORE SHOTS MADE = MORE POINTS = GREATER CHANCE OF VICTORY, sometimes one can get sidetracked by the oceans of data in college basketball games, sometimes it's best to keep it simple.
STEP 3 -- HIGHLIGHT THE STATISTIC THAT WILL BE A RED HERRING
Michigan's had offensive rebounding percentages above 30% in three of their last four games; two of those have been losses. Related -- did you see the MSU-Illinois game?
STEP 4 -- REVIEW ANY CHANGES WITH THE TEAM YOU COVER (WHO WILL NOW BE MENTIONED THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT AS "THE GOOD GUYS"), OR "1,000 TINY PRAYERS FOR DRAYMOND GREEN'S KNEE"
Draymond has reiterated throughout this week that only death will keep him off the court. That's all well and good, and I expect he'll play somewhere between 30-35 minutes. I'm not worried about him on offense, but defense might be a bit dodgy -- A significant part of Michigan's offense is cuts toward the hoop, and the knee will be tested.
STEP 5 -- DETAIL SOMETHING UNEXPECTED THAT MIGHT OCCUR, OR IN COLLOQUIAL TERMS, THE "X-FACTOR"
I think MSU was caught somewhat off guard in Ann Arbor by Michigan's four-guard starting line-up; the Spartans will be more prepared for it this time. I expect Izzo won't be gunshy about putting Brandan Kearney in the game if Green's having trouble covering Michigan's guards. Kearney's length and athleticism should be enough to stymie the Wolverines if he can keep track of his man.
STEP 6 -- SUMMARIZE THE PREVIEW AND GIVE A PREDICTION
The adrenaline will be flowing. If you saw Indiana-Purdue yesterday, you know that adrenaline can cause the game to start messily, with bricks a plenty. Once the nerves wear off expect MSU to post an offensive rebounding percentage in the high thirties -- Branden Dawson has really come on in the last couple weeks, and if Morgan gets in early foul trouble, the game plan should switch from a balanced offense to GIVE NIX ALL THE LAY-UPS. As for defense, let's hope the Spartans can limit Michigan's effectiveness from three and cover the cuts.
I desperately hope Michigan State wins this game. I think it'll happen.
FINAL SCORE: MICHIGAN STATE 68, MICHIGAN 60
Enjoy the game everyone.
GO GREEN, GO WHITE, BEAT MICHIGAN.
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At my signal, unleash hell.
Go Green.
by rook34 on Feb 5, 2012 10:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Let's go state!
I will be with you TOCers in spirit only, as I drive back home from GR following a wedding (sad face). Thanks goodness for satellite radio. Let’s go state!
by MSUDersh on Feb 5, 2012 11:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Going to break into my 6 pack early!
Go [Draymond] Green! Go White! Beat Michigan!
On the banks of the Old Red Cedar!
Whoa AT starting over Wood
Why? Is Wood still sick, is it production, or just matchup?
by MSUDersh on Feb 5, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Gotta Believe
That Coach Izzo saw something in the tape of the last game that he wishes to try and exploit. I have a feeling it’s a matchup on defense for us.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's a defensive move
M burned us with backcuts, etc… last game; AT presumably will be more effective shutting that down.
Dare I ask
Any word on the officials?
So many I’m not rooting for …Valentine, Hightower, Burr…
Just give us one of those anonymous crews.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions
Good sign?
I switch over to CBS and the local electric company is running a “living green” commercial.
Good day all; nice to join everyone for another MSUBBALL match.
Whatever the outcome let’s be civil and mature with our B1G comrades.
I think if we keep a hand in Hardaway's face
He’ll miss most and we’ll win going away.
Of course, we can’t let Burke drive and kick at will, so that’s on Appling.
Boy do I want this one...
IIRC, Izzo lost his first five against the skunkdogs, then went 20-3, before losing these last three. Go Green!
by spartanbballfan on Feb 5, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions
Sloppy start all around.
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That was a carry.
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Yeah, that might help.
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way nervous
struggling toform complete thoughts. Crowd sounds awesome as expected.
MOVE, REF. GET OUT THE WAY.
Although that may have helped, so I’ll allow it this time.
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Novak takes it inside. Prediction?
PAYNE.
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Was that a foul or just an out of bounds
because novack was inside that circle
Out of bounds.
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I don't mind the no-calls
but it better go both ways.
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by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions
Man ugly offense
Michigan is doing a nice job keeping us off the boards too.
That was well outside the circle.
And the one before was no foul, out of bounds.
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UM at it again
I just hate teams who make a constant to defend via the charge and flopping.
Offense is horrible again, 1 FG in almost 6 minutes?!? Seriously?!? After scoring 41 at Illinois… unbelievable…
by Flaming Mo on Feb 5, 2012 12:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Tough matchup for Trice
let’s hope he’s up to it today
anyone else having trouble with ESPN's site?
I usually keep the box score going on a different tab, but it’s so slow it won’t load.
I’m guessing Super Bowl.
Using BTN box score which isn’t as good.
Three-ball for Trice!
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That looked like it could have been offensive goaltending.
I didn’t think that was reviewable, though.
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neither did I
wasn’t there a controversial goaltending call recently that was not allowed to be reviewed?
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone seen Denard yet??
Usually they’d have the PIP up with him constantly on the screen. I’m a bit concerned at this point
Ah, they're reviewing Novak's shot.
Which I think may have been a 2.
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Yeah, almost the Sparks shot redux.
Just a tiny sliver of gap between his foot and the line.
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It had better. It's the damn Michigan game.
With us on a three-game losing streak to them.
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Yes, it does.
Good on them. Bodes well for the future.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
On my TV it looks like the crowd is in black and white and the floor is colorized.
Pretty cool actually.
Wood
Two agressive takes to the rim. Nice to see for him
What was that about Wood not being B1G quality?
That was awesome.
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Unless it's the Vikings in the Super Bowl, this one, easily.
And even then it would be a tough call.
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Any Michigan game
Unless the Lions were in the Super Bowl… and then it would be a tough decision.
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this game
But i would amend that if the Lions by some miracle made it. The spectacle of the game would be cool, but not as cool when I don’t have a particular rooting interest in the teams
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
DEFENSE
Great defense all across the board and it starts to help the offense…
by Flaming Mo on Feb 5, 2012 12:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Novak in foul trouble would make my day.
by Drew Perkins on Feb 5, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
That foul
was on Smotrycz.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Douglas reminds me of Bob Sura the way he moves
I always thought he’d be a better player.
Plays well against us, though.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions
Byrd sighting
After Kearney got some early minutes too. extendign the bench a little bit
He seems a bit lost on offensive sets.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, first time's a mistake.
The next time you’re just completely moronic.
Really Verne?
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It can't be mentioned enough
Dawson is an absolute terror on the offensive glass. Love the way he has progressed
They look like they are really trying to slow Burke down
Attacking him agressively on screen and rolls. Leaving some openings down low
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Boy, there's letting them play
and then there’s this game. I’m OK with some physicality but this is a grappling match down low.
As long as it's called that way both ways
I’m fine with it. I doubt they want to get in a banging match with us.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
My problem with it
is not the banging – they’re letting a lot of clutching and grabbing go – and I think that hurts us. They don’t have anyone who can post us up, but we could do more damage in the post if our guys weren’t getting their arms tied up every time they get the ball.
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Payne
still seems shell-shocked, especially on offense. Keep reminding myself he’s still just a sophomore.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:32 PM CST reply actions
Payne should never be targeted in the post
Until he starts to fill out, can hold his position and works on his hands. If we wanna throw it down low give it to Green or Dawson and let Payne clean the weak side.
by Flaming Mo on Feb 5, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hahaha
At least Verne admitted it. Took him long enough.
On a game-related note, our rebounding has been solid and look at Appling with a GREAT drive to the basket. Awesome.
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Defense helps offense
He struggled early but he is absolutely spectacular on D today. It seems to give him confidence, great sign…
by Flaming Mo on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is there a more deceptively useless stat than "points off turnovers"?
Inbounding after a travel counts for that.
Fast break points is much more meaningful.
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With how physical the ref are allowing everyone to play
that Appling foul might have been a good no-call.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions
That's a FOUL?
Really? After everything that’s going down low THAT’s a foul? REALLY?
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He's definitely not having a problem
elevating.
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
A little bit too agressive looking for the lobs
I like that they are agressive, just need to be selective about it
Douglass
I’m pretty sure his feet were facing the baseline. How the hell did that go in?
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Damn sounds good so far but
M 3s starting to fall. Need to be up at least 10 at the half.
by MSUDersh on Feb 5, 2012 12:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dersh
You’re always in my head. I was just thinking the same thing!
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Rebound 14-5
Turnovers MSU 9, UM 8.
Good D, but that’s a lot.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 PM CST reply actions
He was too far out
needs to get deeper position for that shot
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Too many easy layups.
Not that they’ve had a lot of them, but the ones they have made have been wide open.
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They have all been when PAyne comes in..
he’s not getting the defensive plan apparently.
With all of Payne's struggles
I would love to see a few minutes for Guana
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:48 PM CST reply actions
"McDonald's All-American in the wrong sense"
Really? Is that a necessary comment?
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I'm not one to demand apologies ever...
but I hope someone on the production team tells him that that isn’t acceptable.
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It's going to really suck
if that 3 plays a role later.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Burke
It pains me to say it, but the kid can really play.
You mean throw up junk like that?
Everything else that was actually fundamentally sound has been garbage. Sure he can pass, but so far he hasn’t been able to shoot anything close to the basket.
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Not just this game
Kid is averaging 15 pts and 5 assists as a true freshman. Shoots 35 percent from 3, so he’s not a great outside shooter, but that’s solid.
Yea that was a tough shot, I suppose there’s an element of luck in it. But he’s a good player
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Geez
Another lucky prayer, only reason why UM is in the game…
by Flaming Mo on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't fault him for that, he was in proximity and doesn't want to give the blow by or foul
by Drew Perkins on Feb 5, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
let him try to drive. There's 2 seconds left.
someone cuts him off. He’s got to pass, it’s got to get caught, and then shot. I like our chances on that.
Great first half
We have that intensity that we did not have in AA. Let’s finish them off!
Three point defense
is key in the 2nd half, that’s an easy way for UM to get back in the game.
I’d love to see Luke Appling have a bog second half.
I Bleed Green.
He's actually shooting tolerably well this year.
But if we can get someone else a good shot (Appling from 3-point range does not count), so much the better.
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Clark claims they've tried to go inside
yet for most of the time they are on offense, NO ONE is inside the 3 pt line
Surprised that wasn't a foul.
But with as loose as they’ve called this game all day, maybe I shouldn’t be.
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So...
Apparently you can push someone out of bounds while he’s in the air and its not a foul anymore.
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yea i thought that too
Of course after he had pushed novak to get position, novak pushed him along the sidelines
They are lettign them play
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like most of Michigan's fouls are trying to chase rebounds
and most of ours are outside trying to slow the drive.
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MSU 5 ORs, UM 5 DRs
much easier to rebound half your misses when there are only 10 of them thru 25 min
And much more productive, too
unless you’re turning the ball over 30 times.
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You mean none allowed?
It’s been a while.
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T for Beilein after Novak walked.
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Keep up the pressure
Let’s extend this lead
Yes
getting a measure of revenge fromt he last meeting
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Who was complaining about the Izzone?
They are freakin loud today.
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as I saw elsewhere
They BETTER BE. It’s MICHIGAN.
Hey Burke
Didn’t realize fadeaway 3’s are what it takes to win. Oh wait, it’s not.
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Or just keep adding layup after layup. That works too.
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he's always been that way
dancing around, trying to get steals
I mean the tendency for announcers to use the phrase "happy feet" for him.
Seems like a recent thing.
Not on them
they’re only calling everything on us
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
This is getting a little ridiculous now.
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REfs mad at IZzo
expect a big free-throw disparity coming up here in UM’s favor.
I need someone to explain
the determination of which fouls are being called and which are not.
It makes no sense to me. I hope the conference officials supervisor is watching.
was goign to say
That for the most part the officials have not been a big part of the storyline. That has now changed
I didn't realize that Thorton was 6'5".
I thought he was the token scrappy walk on white kid ala Ishiba, Bograkos, etc.
So Dawson wasn't fouled at all?
Really? Tom has every right to be pissed right now. I may have thrown a chair at this point if I were him. My remote’s about to be embedded into the wall.
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Post screw up.
I meant to say: Really? Tom has every right to be upset right now. I probably would have thrown a chair by now. My remote is about to be embedded into the couch.
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Into the wall sounds funnier.
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maybe the other refs will step in and keep it even
but I doubt it. They’re like school administrators covering each other’s asses.
Why can't the refs
let a game be a blow out of one of the teams deserves to be blown out?
I Bleed Green.
That one was too far out
If he were at the line I’m OK with him taking it but not 5’ past,
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
If they hadn't called a foul there
I would have put my lucky spartan beer glass through the screen.
I Bleed Green.
Gah. Down to 10.
That’s too close for my liking at this point.
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Ok, Do not like the way this game is trending right now
Need to stop the bleeding
There's no way that should have gone.
But I ain’t gonna complain.
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That would have been a good time for a timeout when he fell down.
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DayDay just call the timeout when you're on the ground.
So much easier
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Starting to look like it
He’s due against them
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
That was not a foul in any way shape or form
Wood had position and his hands were completely verticle
I'd have to look at it again.
You can’t sneak under a guy while he’s already in the air, but if he beat him to the spot it should have probably been a no-call.
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Beast mode?
Beast mode.
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We got bailed out there by their sloppy ball-handling.
DON’T JUMP at a shooter!
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Love Appling there
Getting bodied he works hard to get to the basket and finishes strong. Great play!
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Lucky for that one to rim out before the Appling drive.
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If Green plays like this after every game where he tweaked his knee
he should do it more often.
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preferably if the tweaking happens
when we are up 20 with 4 minutes left instead of being caught in a tight one.
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
It seems to have refocused him
on his rebounding. Not that he was ever bad, but teams were drawing him away from the basket to take that away.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, of all the calls for us to get...
That one would have been pretty far down on the list. Will take it, though.
Hey! I'm tryin' to eat lunch here!
Think he might have been in the circle, which would explain it.
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Defensive game plan has been
Help on Burke whenever he tries to drive and see if anyone else can beat us. So far it’s working.
Rebounding numbers with 4 min left
MSU 11 OR, 24 DR
UM 3 OR, 10 DR
(For those of you who aren’t math teachers, that 35-13 total)
Green himself has outrebounded Michigan.
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The twitter says Gholston is in attendance
We don’t get to see him chilling with the izzone apparently.
Nothing like an offensive rebound to kill time.
And then Wood adds the three-pointer.
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Wood got the board
might as well reward him with a wide open look
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
WOOD!!!!!!
Offensive rebound rewarded with a 3 ball, baby! Heck yeah!
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Reference to a Michigan player from last year.
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Well said (on Twitter)
Joe Rexrode
It’s simple. MSU’s best players have been better than Michigan’s best players. And Draymond Green has been the best of all.
I Bleed Green.
I want a thunderous Dawson dunk to cap this sweet victory
by mschlanz on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM CST via Android app reply actions
yea considering nix's free throw shooting there's little reason for him to be getting the ball
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
He's improved quite a bit.
Which isn’t hard to do when you’re starting from a free throw percentage a catcher would consider bad at the plate.
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Erk.
Two threes in a row from Michigan and we’re not using a whole lot of clock.
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That's why that pass by Thornton was real dumb
Still plenty of time on the shot clock and he forced a bad pass into Nix who wasn’t ready. Yikes.
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a "not your daddy" chant for Hardaway?
Not sure how I feel about that.
Great??
He has no head to be great. Too easily rattled. I know he is young, but he disappears too often.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
HOLY CRAP!
If Dawson wasn’t fouled on that, that woulda brought Breslin down!
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Most impressive shot of the day
Nix’s left-handed hook. So freakin pretty.
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He used the entire rim
but it dropped.
by TheCrestedHelm on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Because it's derivative (unoriginal) and manifests ressentiment.
by WatersDemos on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
(Slides hipster glasses back up nose)
Oh so we can’t use it? I think it freakin hilarious and if they don’t like it TOUGH. Why is that you seem to always defend Michigan when it comes to these things. I’ve been called a lot of things over the years by Michigan fans and frankly they STILL deserve this one.
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I guess i'm just a little tired of the sibling meme in general
by trivialstuff16 on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yes I agree
It’s never used consistently. Those who say “LB” are bitter WWs preoccupied with MSU. Those who say “LS” are resentful MSU fans.
Healthy respect is healthy. And also mature.
Sports isn't about being MATURE
My God your line of thinking is moronic. There is no healthy respect between two hated rivals, ESPECIALLY when they’ve won three in a row and we’re beating them down.
Healthy respect, my butt.
Bleeding Green and White since 1989.
C'mon Izzone
This is basketball, let’s leave football out of it.
Why?
We get called “little brother” with everything else (I’ve heard it for academics too) so why leave it to football?
Bleeding Green and White since 1989.
I'm talking about the "just like football" chant
Not “little sister”
but I don't like "little sister" either
Because it’s unimaginative, cringe-inducing, and makes us look like we have an inferiority complex.
Seems like the Izzone has thrown a shoutout to football a lot in close outs.
Wonder if they’re getting some encouragement about that from the athletic office.
Well, that's how not to close out a game.
Miss the front end, add a lane violation to make sure you don’t get the ball back.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
So maybe it's just me
But I don’t see the positive to having two games against OSU remaining. We’re a game down, if we lose the first, we’re down two games, and can only get one back against them unless they lose elsewhere.
Even if we win the first, we’d have to win the second to make sure we don’t go behind them again. Am I Missing something?
Even if we lose
might as well play the best going into the tournament.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I love the fact that almost every UM win of the past 15 years ahs been close.
And then we come back with a game like this where UM never leads.
I think if I fouled out of a game and had the entire home crowd waiting for me to sit down
I would screw with the crowd as much as possible.
oh, plenty of people do that
But the Izzone just keeps waving until they sit.
Green out rebounded the michigan team 16-14
I don’t remember ever seeing that before
Order restored
MSU comrades – treat your M student/grad fans with respect. Also, try to ignore the uneducated WWs.
Be the more mature one in the rivalry. Our school warrants it.
Absolutely
Talking trash to them in this situation lets them think we’re worried about them.
As long as Izzo’s here, they’re just another Big 10 win.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
this one means a little bit more after 3 straight losses, though.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. I’d think that about anyone we’ve lost 3 straight to.
Nah, I'll keep talking trash to Michigan
I’ve taken enough in my lifetime. Its good to give some of it back.
But go ahead and be holier than thou.
Bleeding Green and White since 1989.
Not hoilier than thou
just not willing to acknowledge that they are close to us in basketball.
I don’t talk trash to Iowa, Purdue, Illinois or Minnesota fans. I expect to be better than them, especially in March.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I see the sports team as derivative of the university.
The basketball team is just an agent; the university is the principal.
Therefore, the university is primary. Rooting for the team must be a function of being part of the university.
College sports don’t exist in a vacuum. And if everything ultimately goes back to the university (and it does), then represent the university well. It’s an academy; you are an active part of it.
You’re not helping.
by WatersDemos on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
An attack on me just because I don’t like talking trash to Michigan fans?
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
I thought
that comment was directed at me.
I root for my team. I don’t see the need to talk trash to other school’s fans.
I have confidence our play (especially in March) will talk enough for me.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Little Sister
I also hate that chant. I love beating them in any sport, but they aren’t on the same level, so treat it as just another win.
I Bleed Green.
You stay classy, Burke
Way to foul with 11 seconds left when you’re down 11. So dumb.
Bleeding Green and White since 1989.
Green sprains knee, wills self to play 37 dominant minutes
Is there another Spartan who meant more to his team since Mateen was here?
Nope
That’s why he’s my second favorite Spartan ever next to Mateen.
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
MSU has to be
the only school in the NCAA that gets shady/misinterpreted/blind ref calls against them at home and away
Do refs hate Tom Izzo or something?
"Long range from the baseline, Swish!"
It’s peculiar for sure
I Bleed Green.
by eriksmithdotcom on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
It traces its roots back to the "War Drill"
and the idea that we play football on the court.
So untrue but old memes die hard.
There was one stretch of nonsense, but overall I thought they did a pretty good job today.
And Michigan got called for two more fouls than we did.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
will laugh out loud if NW beats ILL in Champaign today
would end any thought of ILL getting a bye in the conference tournament
Great team effort
Led by Green, but contributions from all over the place. Appling with 10, Dawson 10, Nix 9, and Wood 9.
Not to mention a complete ass kicking on the boards. Great win
Goodnight, Novak
You greasy flailing piece of crap.
Tonight's going to be a good night.
by Spartalytical on Feb 5, 2012 2:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Dance of Joy thread is up.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
SD I love the work you do here
Respectfully I must ask, however, whether this win warrants such a thread.
Any win over Michigan gets the Dance of Joy.
KJ’s rules: major rival (Michigan, or Wisconsin in basketball), upset, or hanging a banner.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
It's nice that we find our team in the position to do this so rarely:
upset
I mean more often than not we are the team that is upset, but you rarely see “MSU upsets Team xxx”.
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